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[Arashi08]

Big Bad wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Okay, I want to get back to the Dark Space Invasion Hypothesis that was presented on page 743.  The more I think about it, the more I like it.  Opening the citadel relay and traveling to/destroying the reaper home/base/whatever would be a simple yet elegant way to wrap things up without using any .  Moreover, it would present lots of different opportunities for confronting Harbinger or seeing the consequences of your choices.  For example, maybe if you saved the rachni queen she and her forces will volunteer to hold off the reapers while the rest of the fleet blows the relay and escapes before it closes forever.  If you didn't save the relay, maybe Hackett has to stay behind.  Something like that.

I still like the idea of the Crucible being a trap or a distraction, but if it has to have a useful function, opening the relay to dark space is the best idea I've heard yet.

Here's something to ponder:  Assuming that DSIH is true (yes, I realize we don't have any kind of evidence whatsoever to assume this yet), does TIM know what the true purpose of the Crucible is?  And if so, how does this fit into his plans to control the Reapers?  Does he want to travel to their base, use his new reaper-controlling skills to somehow take over the place?

Yay you're using the name i came up with, though you're right it is more of a hypothesis than a theory since we have no real evidence to back it up.  As for whether TIM knows the true purpose of the Crucible, assuming that IT is true, we don't know what his plans actually are regarding his use of the Crucible.  maybe if he DOES know that it goes into Dark Space he could try to find out how indoctrination works at the "source," the Reaper Base.  still I feel I need to think on this more...it is an slight hole in the hypothesis.

I didn't mean to imply that it's a plot hole.  I'm just curious about how your idea would impact TIM's plans and motivations. 

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

Can you describe the discrepancy? I agree that TIM's motivations are difficult to pin down within the IT context, but I'm not sure how that constitutes a discrepancy. 

[Big Bad]

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

These are from Donovan Hock's art gallery...

Hey Bill,

I hope you saw the posts we made about 5-7 hours ago singing your praises for something you wrote in another thread.  We were very impressed...oh, and I owe a beer!

Bill is like the IT equivalent of a ninja . He drops in, says something incredibly profound and well-articulated, then drops a smoke grenade and disappears. 

Nah, he's not the IT equivalent of a ninja, he's the IT equivalent of Batman.  Of course, Arian is IT's Garrus Vakarian, so everything works out in the end. 

I like to think that I'm IT's George Costanza!

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

Can you describe the discrepancy? I agree that TIM's motivations are difficult to pin down within the IT context, but I'm not sure how that constitutes a discrepancy. 

You know, this probably all boils down to me being tired and using the wrong word lol.  But just in case I wasn't, I was referring to the Dark Space Invasion hypothesis more than IT itself,  in the context of DSI, as well as assuming IT being true we don't know what the Crucible actually does, nor do we know if TIM has figured out what it does and plans to use it to get to Dark Space to somehow control the Reapers.  I suppose he could find  way to control them if there is a Reaper factory in Dark Space and it allows him to supposedly fully understand indoctrination, or at least that's what me may believe.  Still, TIM's plan to use the Crucible to control the Reapers is a bit of a discrepancy in the Dark Space invasion hypothesis because it is difficult to determine how he could control the Reapers using the Crucible if all it does is allow passage into Dark Space.

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...
You know, this probably all boils down to me being tired and using the wrong word lol.  But just in case I wasn't, I was referring to the Dark Space Invasion hypothesis more than IT itself,  in the context of DSI, as well as assuming IT being true we don't know what the Crucible actually does, nor do we know if TIM has figured out what it does and plans to use it to get to Dark Space to somehow control the Reapers.  I suppose he could find  way to control them if there is a Reaper factory in Dark Space and it allows him to supposedly fully understand indoctrination, or at least that's what me may believe.  Still, TIM's plan to use the Crucible to control the Reapers is a bit of a discrepancy in the Dark Space invasion hypothesis because it is difficult to determine how he could control the Reapers using the Crucible if all it does is allow passage into Dark Space.

Aah, I see. 

[Big Bad]

Arashi08 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Okay, I want to get back to the Dark Space Invasion Hypothesis that was presented on page 743.  The more I think about it, the more I like it.  Opening the citadel relay and traveling to/destroying the reaper home/base/whatever would be a simple yet elegant way to wrap things up without using any .  Moreover, it would present lots of different opportunities for confronting Harbinger or seeing the consequences of your choices.  For example, maybe if you saved the rachni queen she and her forces will volunteer to hold off the reapers while the rest of the fleet blows the relay and escapes before it closes forever.  If you didn't save the relay, maybe Hackett has to stay behind.  Something like that.

I still like the idea of the Crucible being a trap or a distraction, but if it has to have a useful function, opening the relay to dark space is the best idea I've heard yet.

Here's something to ponder:  Assuming that DSIH is true (yes, I realize we don't have any kind of evidence whatsoever to assume this yet), does TIM know what the true purpose of the Crucible is?  And if so, how does this fit into his plans to control the Reapers?  Does he want to travel to their base, use his new reaper-controlling skills to somehow take over the place?

Yay you're using the name i came up with, though you're right it is more of a hypothesis than a theory since we have no real evidence to back it up.  As for whether TIM knows the true purpose of the Crucible, assuming that IT is true, we don't know what his plans actually are regarding his use of the Crucible.  maybe if he DOES know that it goes into Dark Space he could try to find out how indoctrination works at the "source," the Reaper Base.  still I feel I need to think on this more...it is an slight hole in the hypothesis.

I didn't mean to imply that it's a plot hole.  I'm just curious about how your idea would impact TIM's plans and motivations. 

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

Discrepancy or not, learning about TIM's motivation in future DLC is something that I'm looking forward to almost as much as the "clarified" ending.  I think - or hope, at least - that his plans are much bigger and more elaborate than what we've been shown so far.  I want his character to be given one last chance to actually do something that is both not evil and proportional to his considerable intelligence and influence. I know that he has to die, but I'd like his death to be more meaningful than the cheap Saren-knockoff in the current ending.

Edit:  What I mean is that I want TIM to have a Darth Vader kind of death, not a villian-of-the-week death.  Given his role in defeating the collectors, I think he deserves that much.

Modifié par Big Bad, 14 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[Dwailing]

Well, I'm off. I'll see you all later. Good luck speculating, and here's hoping when I come back tomorrow that will be some massive new revelation that redefines all of ME3 (Or at least part of it.).

[Unschuld]

From the twitter thread:

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/ehlien/status/213097393531531265
"The problem with making a short video of all the awesome stuff we're working on is it's impossible to keep it short #TOOMUCHAWESOME #ME3"

twitter.com/ehlien/status/213098143515021313
"I now have a profound level of respect for editors that can take an amazing game or movie & cut it down to a compelling 2 minute trailer"

Don't start crapping your collective pants quite yet though...

[TJBartlemus]

Arashi08 wrote...

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

Of course he know what it's for. He has spies all over the place. Like Udina, I'm sure he knew. Besides he found out the secret of controlling people, not so much how to control the reapers who controlled him...

Oh wait....

Star Child: Yes, but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.

But he had space magic!!!!

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

From the twitter thread:

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/ehlien/status/213097393531531265
"The problem with making a short video of all the awesome stuff we're working on is it's impossible to keep it short #TOOMUCHAWESOME #ME3"

twitter.com/ehlien/status/213098143515021313
"I now have a profound level of respect for editors that can take an amazing game or movie & cut it down to a compelling 2 minute trailer"

Don't start crapping your collective pants quite yet though...

Hmm, their multiplayer trailers thus far have only been one minute, correct? I dont see how they could make a 2 minute trailer for the EC without giving too much away. I suppose though that the Earth MP DLC could warrant a 2 minute trailer instead of 1 minute. 

[Big Bad]

Unschuld wrote...

From the twitter thread:

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/ehlien/status/213097393531531265
"The problem with making a short video of all the awesome stuff we're working on is it's impossible to keep it short #TOOMUCHAWESOME #ME3"

twitter.com/ehlien/status/213098143515021313
"I now have a profound level of respect for editors that can take an amazing game or movie & cut it down to a compelling 2 minute trailer"

Don't start crapping your collective pants quite yet though...

Whose tweets are those?

[Arashi08]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

Of course he know what it's for. He has spies all over the place. Like Udina, I'm sure he knew. Besides he found out the secret of controlling people, not so much how to control the reapers who controlled him...

Oh wait....

Star Child: Yes, but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.

But he had space magic!!!!

how would spies help TIM understand how the Crucible works when the people actually building it have no idea what it does?

[TJBartlemus]

Check this out. It compares the Renegade and Paragon conversation with the catalyst. I found the way he greeted Shepard different was wierd. As well with before he proposes the choices. With Renegad he says the crucible has changed me an made new possibilities, but I can't make them happen. And I WON'T.

He also instead of saying, "I know you thought about destroying us.", he says You want to destroy us.

Something there guys??? 

[Unschuld]

Big Bad wrote...

Whose tweets are those?

Billy Buskell, Associate Producer for Mass Effect.

[ZerebusPrime]

Arashi08 wrote...

how would spies help TIM understand how the Crucible works when the people actually building it have no idea what it does?

Dr. Eva could have transmitted the Crucible designs well in advance of receiving orders to backup and wipe the local copy of the entire Prothean Archives.  Cerberus has more experience with Reaper tech than anyone else and could have deduced something hidden that everyone else would miss.  This is especially true if they retained the Collector Base - they may even have found out about the Crucible from data collected beyond the Omega 4 relay.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Check this out. It compares the Renegade and Paragon conversation with the catalyst. I found the way he greeted Shepard different was wierd. As well with before he proposes the choices. With Renegad he says the crucible has changed me an made new possibilities, but I can't make them happen. And I WON'T.

He also instead of saying, "I know you thought about destroying us.", he says You want to destroy us.

Something there guys??? 

Pretty sure that's EMS related, my renegade Shepard catalyst dialogue was the same (edot: same as my paragon shepard) so far as I could tell. Will run through again sometime to double check though.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 14 juin 2012 - 04:41 .

[Unschuld]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Check this out. It compares the Renegade and Paragon conversation with the catalyst. I found the way he greeted Shepard different was wierd. As well with before he proposes the choices. With Renegad he says the crucible has changed me an made new possibilities, but I can't make them happen. And I WON'T.

He also instead of saying, "I know you thought about destroying us.", he says You want to destroy us.

Something there guys??? 

This looks more like the difference between Low and High EMS, incorrectly assumed to be the difference between Paragon/Renegade.

[TJBartlemus]

Arashi08 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

TIM's motivations are difficult to determine now if IT is assumed true, as we don't know if he knows the Crucible's true purpose or not and if it does open the relay up how he could use the crucible to control the Reapers.  It isn't a plot hole so to speak, since we don't necessarily know how this would play out , but ti does seem like a bit of a discrepancy in the hypothesis.

Of course he know what it's for. He has spies all over the place. Like Udina, I'm sure he knew. Besides he found out the secret of controlling people, not so much how to control the reapers who controlled him...

Oh wait....

Star Child: Yes, but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.

But he had space magic!!!!

how would spies help TIM understand how the Crucible works when the people actually building it have no idea what it does?

Well, I'm sure his spies could get a copy of the schematics of it. And with Henry Lawson who figured out indoctrination control of sorts, I am sure Henry could figure the basics of what the Crucible does. Cerberus does have some of the best scientists around, no doubt.

Edit: Ninja'd by ZerebusPrime

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 14 juin 2012 - 04:40 .

[HellishFiend]

Yeah, those differences are purely EMS related.

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, those differences are purely EMS related.

You sure?  Worth checking on own time? I might just to be sure. Makes no sense for BioWare to have same responses from Starchild for both renegade and paragon shepard....at least to me.

[HellishFiend]

I believe that if you have all 3 options available you will always receive "Wake up" instead of "Why are you here?", etc.

[Big Bad]

Unschuld wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Whose tweets are those?

Billy Buskell, Associate Producer for Mass Effect.

Cool, thanks!

[StElmo]

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You mean you'll abandon Mass Effect at all?

Yeah, I'm not a Bioware fan(put the pitch forks and torches away!), I just like their games, if the EC does not plug the gaping plot holes then it's time to move on, that does not however mean I'll totally dismiss them, I'll keep checking in for future games and get user reviews before purchasing another.

The problem with that scenario is if a series like ME gets made again, you her good things, but it's onlt at number 2, your still risking them edning another series terribly.

[TJBartlemus]

Sorry to all who have clicked on my signature for the poll. For some reason the link was sending to the poll from before. It should be fixed now.

[FreddyCast]

Hey guys, I'm back in a long, long, long time.
I just added a new section in the description box of my youtube vid about the Mass Relay explosions. The section is about the Viper Nebula NOT being the starting point of the Mass Relay explosions.

Take a look and tell me if my arguments are good or whether there is something I missed.

Also, check out Prettz Zell's new vid on the "Mystery of the gun" part 2.

It shows a lot of new things I haven't noticed before.

Modifié par FreddyCast, 14 juin 2012 - 04:52 .