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Rosewind wrote...

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Had a really funny thought while eating cereal this morning.


Be sure to keep your cereal safe from Kai Leng.


What is the deal with kai leng and cereal?


"They're always after me lucky charms!"

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Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a really funny thought while eating cereal this morning.


Be sure to keep your cereal safe from Kai Leng.


What is the deal with kai leng and cereal?


I didnt actually read it, so I'm not certain, but I think in the most recent book Kai Leng snuck into Anderson's apartment and ate his cereal.

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byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a really funny thought while eating cereal this morning.


Be sure to keep your cereal safe from Kai Leng.


What is the deal with kai leng and cereal?


I didnt actually read it, so I'm not certain, but I think in the most recent book Kai Leng snuck into Anderson's apartment and ate his cereal.


LOL sounds like something i would do to mess with some one, leave a note and say "I prefer coco pops next time...."

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Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a really funny thought while eating cereal this morning.


Be sure to keep your cereal safe from Kai Leng.


What is the deal with kai leng and cereal?


I didnt actually read it, so I'm not certain, but I think in the most recent book Kai Leng snuck into Anderson's apartment and ate his cereal.


LOL sounds like something i would do to mess with some one, leave a note and say "I prefer coco pops next time...."


Now I kind of want cereal.

Its too bad they dont make my favorite cereal anymore.

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Finished my 4th playthrough last night and tried to walk back up the hill away from Citadel transport beam. I collapsed (presumably dead) and got a critical mission failure display. Has anyone else tried this? It seems weird I'd die walking away. What? The beam has magical healing properties?

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You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.

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I think they'll release a trailer at Comicon and then the EC will come out a few weeks after that, hopefully.

Earth MP dlc will come first- have we covered that here?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....


Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....


Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.


Nice!

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....


Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.



sounds a liitle like Anders...

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estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....


Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.



sounds a liitle like Anders...


To be honest, I was writing this guy long before Anders.

Really, the best description for him;

He's simply out of ideas. Nothing he belieives in exists anymore, not even the man he thought he was. He's going through the motions, because it's all he can do, and all he can do is try to escape an ill advised deal because it's what he hoped for once, to escape his end of the bargain and obtain all he ever wished, but now, that hope long dispelled, its what he does, because it's simply all he ever has done, and in the end, he has to end himself before his apathy reaches the point that he can't even motivate himself to do that. The only thought that excites him is the sweet release of death, his every action and motivation carefully measured to ensure he dies, rather than dooming himself to further existence, one that he can't escape from. Despite his veneer of vanity, ambition and arrogance, he is truly empty underneath, only using his old personality as convenient shorthand, seeming normal, almost human, when in fact he is the antithesis of humanity, the personification of a void.

In a way, if anything, he's Bishop.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 14 juin 2012 - 12:46 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


personally im just going to wait patiently for when it is actually released. i remember that whole Pax debacle.

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deltacypresss wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


personally im just going to wait patiently for when it is actually released. i remember that whole Pax debacle.


For me in retrospect, the PAX 'debacle' was nothing but anger that followed from confusion about the ending. Once IT offered a de-confusioner, their answer regarding IT and the EC announcement ist ok with me.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....


Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.



sounds a liitle like Anders...


To be honest, I was writing this guy long before Anders.

Really, the best description for him;

He's simply out of ideas. Nothing he belieives in exists anymore, not even the man he thought he was. He's going through the motions, because it's all he can do, and all he can do is try to escape an ill advised deal because it's what he hoped for once, to escape his end of the bargain and obtain all he ever wished, but now, that hope long dispelled, its what he does, because it's simply all he ever has done, and in the end, he has to end himself before his apathy reaches the point that he can't even motivate himself to do that. The only thought that excites him is the sweet release of death, his every action and motivation carefully measured to ensure he dies, rather than dooming himself to further existence, one that he can't escape from. Despite his veneer of vanity, ambition and arrogance, he is truly empty underneath, only using his old personality as convenient shorthand, seeming normal, almost human, when in fact he is the antithesis of humanity, the personification of a void.

In a way, if anything, he's Bishop.


Hmm, now he kind of reminds me of Archer from Fate/stay night, though explaining why would be a pretty large spoiler if you havent played it.

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For shame, people!  I get up and there have only been three new pages added since I went to bed 7 hours ago?  Somebody's been slacking!:D

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Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....


Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.



sounds a liitle like Anders...


To be honest, I was writing this guy long before Anders.

Really, the best description for him;

He's simply out of ideas. Nothing he belieives in exists anymore, not even the man he thought he was. He's going through the motions, because it's all he can do, and all he can do is try to escape an ill advised deal because it's what he hoped for once, to escape his end of the bargain and obtain all he ever wished, but now, that hope long dispelled, its what he does, because it's simply all he ever has done, and in the end, he has to end himself before his apathy reaches the point that he can't even motivate himself to do that. The only thought that excites him is the sweet release of death, his every action and motivation carefully measured to ensure he dies, rather than dooming himself to further existence, one that he can't escape from. Despite his veneer of vanity, ambition and arrogance, he is truly empty underneath, only using his old personality as convenient shorthand, seeming normal, almost human, when in fact he is the antithesis of humanity, the personification of a void.

In a way, if anything, he's Bishop.


OMFG I LOVE BISHOP!!!!

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Big Bad wrote...

For shame, people!  I get up and there have only been three new pages added since I went to bed 7 hours ago?  Somebody's been slacking!:D


Yeah been a bit slow...maybe I should repost my newest idea on what the Crucible could be from just a few pages ago, dont know how many read it :?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

For shame, people!  I get up and there have only been three new pages added since I went to bed 7 hours ago?  Somebody's been slacking!:D


Yeah been a bit slow...maybe I should repost my newest idea on what the Crucible could be from just a few pages ago, dont know how many read it :?


Go for it!  :happy:

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Go for it!  :happy:


As you wish ;)

Basicly this ties into the Dark space theory from yesterday.

Before we I begin I want to mention...again...that the Crucible, no matter what its intention, in its current form can generate massive amounts of energy and exploits the technology of the Mass relays in some way. That is things we learn of it throughout the game...so what is it to be used as if it is not a weapon? Well here is the idea.

Something that i always wondered about the Citadel after we learned it was Relay is where the massive Element Zero core seen in other Relays, but I usualy dismissed it as simply beeing inside the Citadel somewhere. But what if it dosent have any, what if the Citadel Relay is essentially without a power source in its standard form?

It still functions to be the gateway for the Reaper invasion, but it cannot send the Reapers back to dark space without a power source or similar to activate. Basicly the Crucible might be the Citadel Relays power source.

This would more than anything serve to explain why no race ever discovers that the Citadel is a relay before the Reapers arrive as it simply is not relay until then.

During each cycle the Reapers then let the races construct the Crucible, the power source they are gonna use and capture it later. This makes the Crucible a waste of ressources for the enemy and one less thing the Reapers have to do. In the event that no race construcst the Crucible the Reapers can always do it themselves afterwards.

Once the Crucible has been used and the Reapers head back into dark space and the Vanguard Reaper destroys the Crucible or at least renders it inert.

Under normal circumstances there would be no danger of the races using the Citadel relay themselves even if they connected the Crucible as without a Reaper IFF the drift from going through the Citadel relay would be so huge (much larger than a standard Relay if it is distance determined) that the ship or ships going through would be irrecoverably lost in dark space.

But that the difference in this Cycle, we have a Reaper IFF and can use the Citadel relay should it be activated.

What do you think?

Edit: What is it with this forum and runining a perfectly laid out text forcing me to correct the setup afterwards?

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 14 juin 2012 - 01:23 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.


personally im just going to wait patiently for when it is actually released. i remember that whole Pax debacle.


For me in retrospect, the PAX 'debacle' was nothing but anger that followed from confusion about the ending. Once IT offered a de-confusioner, their answer regarding IT and the EC announcement ist ok with me.


It was around before pax. and i remember a lot of people gave IT up since they didn't get the answers they wanted. but for the most part a agree with you.

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But they said they were not going to talk about EC at all at PAX, right?

Edit: Nevermind, I confused it with E3

Modifié par Corik, 14 juin 2012 - 01:32 .


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Great idea raistlin.

Also has there been any news on the mass effect movie? Its supposed be out this year right?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Go for it!  :happy:


As you wish ;)

Basicly this ties into the Dark space theory from yesterday.

Before we I begin I want to mention...again...that the Crucible, no matter what its intention, in its current form can generate massive amounts of energy and exploits the technology of the Mass relays in some way. That is things we learn of it throughout the game...so what is it to be used as if it is not a weapon? Well here is the idea.

Something that i always wondered about the Citadel after we learned it was Relay is where the massive Element Zero core seen in other Relays, but I usualy dismissed it as simply beeing inside the Citadel somewhere. But what if it dosent have any, what if the Citadel Relay is essentially without a power source in its standard form?

It still functions to be the gateway for the Reaper invasion, but it cannot send the Reapers back to dark space without a power source or similar to activate. Basicly the Crucible might be the Citadel Relays power source.

This would more than anything serve to explain why no race ever discovers that the Citadel is a relay before the Reapers arrive as it simply is not relay until then.

During each cycle the Reapers then let the races construct the Crucible, the power source they are gonna use and capture it later. This makes the Crucible a waste of ressources for the enemy and one less thing the Reapers have to do. In the event that no race construcst the Crucible the Reapers can always do it themselves afterwards.

Once the Crucible has been used and the Reapers head back into dark space and the Vanguard Reaper destroys the Crucible or at least renders it inert.

Under normal circumstances there would be no danger of the races using the Citadel relay themselves even if they connected the Crucible as without a Reaper IFF the drift from going through the Citadel relay would be so huge (much larger than a standard Relay if it is distance determined) that the ship or ships going through would be irrecoverably lost in dark space.

But that the difference in this Cycle, we have a Reaper IFF and can use the Citadel relay should it be activated.

What do you think?

Edit: What is it with this forum and runining a perfectly laid out text forcing me to correct the setup afterwards?


Thats a great explaination.but i have just one question.

If the crucible does not stop the reapers,how are we supposed to stop them?

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munnellyladt wrote...

Thats a great explaination.but i have just one question.

If the crucible does not stop the reapers,how are we supposed to stop them?


Thats where it ties into the Dark Space theory.

If we head through the Citadel realy we will find wherever the Reapers spend their time between cycles, possibly finidng some way to bea them there.

Alternately though we must assume that most of the Reapers head through the relay after us leaving the possibility of blowing up the relay in the other end to destroy them without losing Earth, question is just how to do it.

In general though the Dark Space theory most leaves how and what open to Bioware and the EC. Not saying it not allready is, but as we know nothing of what is in Dark Space it is mostly Bioware.

Interesting thing regarding going through the Citadel Relay is that it mimics ME1 and ME2 in that in both those we headed through a uniquie relay (the Conduit and the Omgea-4 Relay respectively) to reach our final battle.