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[Makrys]

Here's one example, Hellish: 

I'm fairly sure I've heard it another time as well, but don't remember exactly when or where.

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 06:21 .

[Makrys]

Drift Avalii wrote...

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Hey all, I know I reverted to lurking for the last while but I just wanna say that you all (particularly you, Makrys) have renewed my IT faith. I'm taking an Adept all the way through the three games and am now at ME3, and just couldn't bring myself to start it.

Now I have some real faith that the EC will deliver and then some :-)

If I had that applause motivational, know you'd all be seeing it right now!

Great for you! And me?! Really? What was it I did that encouraged you?

I'm really happy that you feel so encouraged as to replay again. I wish I had your optimism! While I'm definitely optimistic, a slight level of doubt still lingers inside me. But I would say I'm at least 80% sure the IT is true and the EC will reveal it. Still, I won't replay the trilogy until I actually SEE the EC, and hopefully it will blow me away. 

But I'm really glad you have a renewed hope. Most of the guys on here post a lot more than I do, so they deserve a ton of credit for keeping the hope alive and running. But I really hope Bioware delivers so that you, me, and everyone else who wants the ending ME3 deserves are not once again let down. 

I don't think we will be though. 

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 06:28 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Here's one example, Hellish: 

I'm fairly sure I've heard it another time as well, but don't remember exactly when or where.

I'm pretty sure that they are just going to end up exploiting a clever technicality in the wording he uses. I would focus mostly on the first words out of his mouth, which are "We're not really releasing or talking about anything about that right now", indicating that saying too much might give something away. 

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Here's one example, Hellish: 

I'm fairly sure I've heard it another time as well, but don't remember exactly when or where.

I'm pretty sure that they are just going to end up exploiting a clever technicality in the wording he uses. I would focus mostly on the first words out of his mouth, which are "We're not really releasing or talking about anything about that right now", indicating that saying too much might give something away. 

He was referring to WHAT the DLC will be. As far as when it will happen in the story, he was very specific that it wouldn't happen after the events of the campaign. Come on, Hellish, it was obvious. He specifically said that. Until Bioware says something otherwise, this has been the common thing I've heard in regards to when any DLC will take place.

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it. So, it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland. That would be the DLC if we did it after. No, but um, I'm sure... you know, we'll find a way to tie it into the ME3 story. That would be the main thing if we do it.

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

He was referring to WHAT the DLC will be. As far as when it will happen in the story, he was very specific that it wouldn't happen after the events of the campaign. Come on, Hellish, it was obvious. He specifically said that. Until Bioware says something otherwise, this has been the common thing I've heard in regards to when any DLC will take place.

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it."

No, I'm quite sure there are at least 2 or 3 technicalities that can be exploited there. Like Turbo said, they could use the chronology of the Stargazer scene, or even just blatantly say that the current ending is not chronologically "the end of mass effect 3". Theyre the authors, for crying out loud, they can do whatever they want... 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 14 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[Rosewind]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Here's one example, Hellish: 

I'm fairly sure I've heard it another time as well, but don't remember exactly when or where.

I'm pretty sure that they are just going to end up exploiting a clever technicality in the wording he uses. I would focus mostly on the first words out of his mouth, which are "We're not really releasing or talking about anything about that right now", indicating that saying too much might give something away. 

He was referring to WHAT the DLC will be. As far as when it will happen in the story, he was very specific that it wouldn't happen after the events of the campaign. Come on, Hellish, it was obvious. He specifically said that. Until Bioware says something otherwise, this has been the common thing I've heard in regards to when any DLC will take place.

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it."

Then how we going to take back omega? Aria said she wont try till after the reapers are finished ....*sniff* she promised me

[ivenoidea]

Makrys wrote...
-snip-

Also, just for another point of reference, LOTSB, ME2's lengthiest and meatiest DLC took around 2 1/2 months to develop as well. So, be encouraged.

LOTSB was already pretty damn long AND good, just imagine what potential EC has with twice the developement time.

[LazyTechGuy]

Eryri wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Go for it!  :happy:

As you wish

Basicly this ties into the Dark space theory from yesterday.

Before we I begin I want to mention...again...that the Crucible, no matter what its intention, in its current form can generate massive amounts of energy and exploits the technology of the Mass relays in some way. That is things we learn of it throughout the game...so what is it to be used as if it is not a weapon? Well here is the idea.

Something that i always wondered about the Citadel after we learned it was Relay is where the massive Element Zero core seen in other Relays, but I usualy dismissed it as simply beeing inside the Citadel somewhere. But what if it dosent have any, what if the Citadel Relay is essentially without a power source in its standard form?

It still functions to be the gateway for the Reaper invasion, but it cannot send the Reapers back to dark space without a power source or similar to activate. Basicly the Crucible might be the Citadel Relays power source.

This would more than anything serve to explain why no race ever discovers that the Citadel is a relay before the Reapers arrive as it simply is not relay until then.

During each cycle the Reapers then let the races construct the Crucible, the power source they are gonna use and capture it later. This makes the Crucible a waste of ressources for the enemy and one less thing the Reapers have to do. In the event that no race construcst the Crucible the Reapers can always do it themselves afterwards.

Once the Crucible has been used and the Reapers head back into dark space and the Vanguard Reaper destroys the Crucible or at least renders it inert.

Under normal circumstances there would be no danger of the races using the Citadel relay themselves even if they connected the Crucible as without a Reaper IFF the drift from going through the Citadel relay would be so huge (much larger than a standard Relay if it is distance determined) that the ship or ships going through would be irrecoverably lost in dark space.

But that the difference in this Cycle, we have a Reaper IFF and can use the Citadel relay should it be activated.

What do you think?

Edit: What is it with this forum and runining a perfectly laid out text forcing me to correct the setup afterwards?

Brilliant Idea! A perfectly logical explanation for the Crucible, and leading to a potentially awesome final battle too! I think this may be my new head-canon until the EC comes out. 

But isn't the plot of ME1 dealing with Sovereign trying to turn the Citadel relay on so that the Reaper forces can get in?  How could they if they needed a power source and the Crucible wasn't around yet?  Or did I read this theory wrong?

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Hmmm.  Sounds like someone might be putting together a teaser video and preparing to present it soon.  San Diego Comic-Con maybe?

[Makrys]

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it. So, it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland. That would be the DLC if we did it after. No, but um, I'm sure... you know, we'll find a way to tie it into the ME3 story. That would be the main thing if we do it."

I'm just taking the man at his word. Not going to claim what they will or will not do. He specifically said they won't, so as of now, that's all we have to go on. The Stargazer scene could imply MANY things, least of which would be post-ending mission based DLC IMO. I highly doubt it. 

We don't know what they're plans are for DLC other than to finish the EC. Mac said the DLC won't be post-ending, and I've heard it in another place by someone else as well. Its not our job to figure out how the DLC plugs in (Omega), that's their's. All we have to go on is what they've said, and so far that is that the DLC will not be post-ending. Until they confirm otherwise, that's how it is. 

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 06:41 .

[lex0r11]

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

[ivenoidea]

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

Exactly what I'm thinking. It would be stupid to throw all optimism out the window based on one interview from ages ago.

Let's just focus on *new* information. Also, what are they gonna do, set EC before the ending? That's not exactly the point I'd say.

And what if Aria said she wouldn't try to take back Omega before the reapers are finished, maybe she gets a hint that helps her decide that she needs it back RIGHT NOW.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 14 juin 2012 - 06:43 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it. So, it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland. That would be the DLC if we did it after. No, but um, I'm sure... you know, we'll find a way to tie it into the ME3 story. That would be the main thing if we do it."

I'm just taking the man at his word. Not going to claim what they will or will not do. He specifically said they won't, so as of now, that's all we have to go on. The Stargazer scene could imply MANY things, least of which would be post-ending DLC, I highly doubt it. If anything, the Stargazer scene was just another easter egg like the breathe scene. Implying something more is to come with the ending.

Saying it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland strongly implies that he means there will be no DLC that chronologically occurs after the defeat of the Reapers and conclusion of the existing plot arcs. That does not specifically the chronology of the DLC being after what we see before the credits roll. If that doesnt have you convinced, we may just have to agree to disagree on this one. 

[Makrys]

ivenoidea wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

Exactly what I'm thinking. It would be stupid to throw all optimism out the window based on one interview from ages ago.

Let's just focus on *new* information. Also, what are they gonna do, set EC before the ending? That's not exactly the point I'd say.

I wasn't referring to EC. I said any DLC that follows EC. And to be honest, no one knows what the EC will be so its foolish to lay down absolutes. Much of it could very well take place before the end. That of course depends of what you refer to as, 'the end'.

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 06:44 .

[HellishFiend]

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

Yes, this is essentially the point I'm trying to make... 

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

Exactly what I'm thinking. It would be stupid to throw all optimism out the window based on one interview from ages ago.

Let's just focus on *new* information. Also, what are they gonna do, set EC before the ending? That's not exactly the point I'd say.

I wasn't referring to EC. I said any DLC that follows EC. 

And if the EC doesnt finish wrapping up the plot arcs? DLC could still take place after the EC, because ME3's story wouldnt be over yet.

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

Exactly what I'm thinking. It would be stupid to throw all optimism out the window based on one interview from ages ago.

Let's just focus on *new* information. Also, what are they gonna do, set EC before the ending? That's not exactly the point I'd say.

I wasn't referring to EC. I said any DLC that follows EC. 

And if the EC doesnt finish wrapping up the plot arcs? DLC could still take place after the EC, because ME3's story wouldnt be over yet.

Please allow my to finish my post before you quote me so quickly, Hellish. 

You're being a little stubborn here. I never said it wouldn't happen. I was just quoting the lead writer. Its also likely to think that the DLC would take place during the story, not after, when the galaxy is ripped to shreds. That's basically the point he was trying to make. Can they change they're minds? Sure! But we don't know what will happen yet. All we have to go on is what they've already said. Which is all I'm trying to make clear.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

But isn't the plot of ME1 dealing with Sovereign trying to turn the Citadel relay on so that the Reaper forces can get in?  How could they if they needed a power source and the Crucible wasn't around yet?  Or did I read this theory wrong?

No, but basicly from what we see in the Mass Effect series, though you need two linking relays it seems as if only the starting relay, the one where you start your jump is where energy is transferred to the ship for the jump.

My theory is essentially that the Citadel can function as the end point of a relay jump from Dark Space, but needs a external power source, the Crucible to send anything in the opposite direction. I agure this on the fact taht there lacks the element zero core apperent in every relay and under my theory the Citadel lacks this because else the species of each cycle would realize it is giant relay. This is also a safety precation for when the Reapers are dormant insuring that no one  jumps to them by coincedence.

What Sovereign tried to under my theory is to open the Citadel relay in the sense that the link between the Dark Space Relay and the Citadel Relay was open, but with only the relay in Dark Space beeing active in the sense taht it can send something off.

But off course I cant be certain as it may be that you really need both endings of relay jump at full power to make it, but I recall no definitive answer beeing given in that area.

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

LEX0R!!!!!

[Turbo_J]

Rosewind wrote...

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Here's one example, Hellish: 

I'm fairly sure I've heard it another time as well, but don't remember exactly when or where.

I'm pretty sure that they are just going to end up exploiting a clever technicality in the wording he uses. I would focus mostly on the first words out of his mouth, which are "We're not really releasing or talking about anything about that right now", indicating that saying too much might give something away. 

He was referring to WHAT the DLC will be. As far as when it will happen in the story, he was very specific that it wouldn't happen after the events of the campaign. Come on, Hellish, it was obvious. He specifically said that. Until Bioware says something otherwise, this has been the common thing I've heard in regards to when any DLC will take place.

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it."

Then how we going to take back omega? Aria said she wont try till after the reapers are finished ....*sniff* she promised me

It could happen one of two ways.

It will take place between Cronos and subsequent recovery of Sheps Indoctrination/injuries and the end of the EC. I've said this numerous times. Omega has to happen soon; but not necessarily before the 'clean up' of Reapers or Reaper ground forces. Besides, we still have to go after TIM. IMO - he is on Omega and I think if Indoctrination is on Cronos, we will be going to the Citadel (which never moved), picking up Aria, and heading for Omega.

The second way it can happen is simply before the Stargeezer scene.

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it. So, it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland. That would be the DLC if we did it after. No, but um, I'm sure... you know, we'll find a way to tie it into the ME3 story. That would be the main thing if we do it."

I'm just taking the man at his word. Not going to claim what they will or will not do. He specifically said they won't, so as of now, that's all we have to go on. The Stargazer scene could imply MANY things, least of which would be post-ending DLC, I highly doubt it. If anything, the Stargazer scene was just another easter egg like the breathe scene. Implying something more is to come with the ending.

Saying it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland strongly implies that he means there will be no DLC that chronologically occurs after the defeat of the Reapers and conclusion of the existing plot arcs. That does not specifically the chronology of the DLC being after what we see before the credits roll. If that doesnt have you convinced, we may just have to agree to disagree on this one. 

See, THIS is where you have misunderstood me. And I'm not entirely sure how.

I never said anything about the credits. Walters said that after the ending of ME3, there would be no DLC. I'm speaking strictly within story here. My point: It sounds like after the EC, all DLC we will get will happen pre-Priority: Earth. He said the DLC wouldn't take place after the end. The EC does NOT take place after the end, besides the epilogues that it will most likely contain, but I consider that PART OF the end. 

Point, from what I've heard, all DLC will take place during, not after the campaign. Why is that so bad? Or have we simply misunderstood eachother?

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Please allow my to finish my post before you quote me so quickly, Hellish. 

You're being a little stubborn here. I never said it wouldn't happen. I was just quoting the lead writer. Its also likely to think that the DLC would take place during the story, not after, when the galaxy is ripped to shreds. That's basically the point he was trying to make. Can they change they're minds? Sure! But we don't know what will happen yet. All we have to go on is what they've already said. Which is all I'm trying to make clear.

To be fair, I think that posts should be at quotable status as soon as people start reading them... I'd really rather not have to refresh the page several times to make sure its safe to quote... 

Anyway, the only point I'm trying to make is that I feel Bioware has only stated that DLC will take place before the end of the Reaper threat (assuming that ME3's story arc ends with the Reaper threat, anyway), and not after. If that doesnt go against what you're saying, then I think we've just been debating a misunderstanding. :happy:

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...


Point, from what I've heard, all DLC will take place during, not after the campaign. Why is that so bad? Or have we simply misunderstood eachother?

Yeah, I think we just misunderstood. 

[Turbo_J]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

"Obviously, I can say that it won't be after. *laughs* This is the end, so that's it. So, it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland. That would be the DLC if we did it after. No, but um, I'm sure... you know, we'll find a way to tie it into the ME3 story. That would be the main thing if we do it."

I'm just taking the man at his word. Not going to claim what they will or will not do. He specifically said they won't, so as of now, that's all we have to go on. The Stargazer scene could imply MANY things, least of which would be post-ending DLC, I highly doubt it. If anything, the Stargazer scene was just another easter egg like the breathe scene. Implying something more is to come with the ending.

Saying it would be kind of boring just looking at a wasteland strongly implies that he means there will be no DLC that chronologically occurs after the defeat of the Reapers and conclusion of the existing plot arcs. That does not specifically the chronology of the DLC being after what we see before the credits roll. If that doesnt have you convinced, we may just have to agree to disagree on this one. 

See, THIS is where you have misunderstood me. And I'm not entirely sure how.

I never said anything about the credits. Walters said that after the ending of ME3, there would be no DLC. I'm speaking strictly within story here. My point: It sounds like after the EC, all DLC we will get will happen pre-Priority: Earth. He said the DLC wouldn't take place after the end. The EC does NOT take place after the end, besides the epilogues that it will most likely contain, but I consider that PART OF the end. 

Point, from what I've heard, all DLC will take place during, not after the campaign. Why is that so bad? Or have we simply misunderstood eachother?

"Are we more than our thoughts?"

If from Cronos (or anywhere) the events that take place are full hallucination/Indoctrination, did they happen? Was it really the end? = Loop Hole.

[lex0r11]

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah well, so there won't be anything after the end.

It will be during the end.

LEX0R!!!!!

Modifié par lex0r11, 14 juin 2012 - 06:57 .

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Please allow my to finish my post before you quote me so quickly, Hellish. 

You're being a little stubborn here. I never said it wouldn't happen. I was just quoting the lead writer. Its also likely to think that the DLC would take place during the story, not after, when the galaxy is ripped to shreds. That's basically the point he was trying to make. Can they change they're minds? Sure! But we don't know what will happen yet. All we have to go on is what they've already said. Which is all I'm trying to make clear.

To be fair, I think that posts should be at quotable status as soon as people start reading them... I'd really rather not have to refresh the page several times to make sure its safe to quote... 

Anyway, the only point I'm trying to make is that I feel Bioware has only stated that DLC will take place before the end of the Reaper threat (assuming that ME3's story arc ends with the Reaper threat, anyway), and not after. If that doesnt go against what you're saying, then I think we've just been debating a misunderstanding. :happy:

Didn't mean to hit 'submit'. That's what happened. Not your fault, but I was shocked you replied like literally 3 seconds after. I was all like, 'DUDE LET ME FINISH MY THOUGHT, GIVE ME LIKE 20 SECONDS BRO". 

And that's all I ever said. Before the end of the story, NOT game. So, I'm curious what did you think I was implying? 

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 06:57 .