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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so. :)


You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!Posted Image

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.

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Makrys wrote...

everything else snipped, I hate pyramids, sue me!


I have a link if you care to see it.

I have many links... *maniacal grin while rubbing hands together*


yes prease...


Lots of good twitter responses here. The last one is the one you're looking for. 

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Big Bad wrote...
Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Not sure if you've noticed before, but I mentioned a couple of times that my initial inclination was to dismiss IT out-of-hand because I felt it was unlikely and wishful thinking, rooted in disbelief. It wasnt until I could find no other logical or plausible explanation that did not involve authoring additional lore or drawing unjustifiable conclusions that I looked into IT. IT had the logic, lore, and justifiable conclusions to back it up, so here I am. :lol:

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[quote]Makrys wrote...

[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

[quote]Makrys wrote...


[quote]everything else snipped, I hate pyramids, sue me![/quote]

I have a link if you care to see it.

I have many links... *maniacal grin while rubbing hands together* [/quote]

yes prease...[/quote]

Lots of good twitter responses here. The last one is the one you're looking for. 

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Sorry wrote the tweet completly wrong,good thing you had that lying around.Posted Image

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Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so. :)


You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!Posted Image

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!


I suspect that for many BSN folk, the resulting activity on the forums will be just as big a deal as the content of the EC itself. 

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[quote]munnellyladt wrote...

[quote]Makrys wrote...

[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

[quote]Makrys wrote...


[quote]everything else snipped, I hate pyramids, sue me![/quote]

I have a link if you care to see it.

I have many links... *maniacal grin while rubbing hands together* [/quote]

yes prease...[/quote]

Lots of good twitter responses here. The last one is the one you're looking for. 

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Sorry wrote the tweet completly wrong,good thing you had that lying around.Posted Image[/quote]

Well as long as they say the red ending is the only choices were you can see everyone again then hell ya I would get it, also

Hay God child red's win blue's suck. RVB.

Modifié par masster blaster, 14 juin 2012 - 08:13 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Not sure if you've noticed before, but I mentioned a couple of times that my initial inclination was to dismiss IT out-of-hand because I felt it was unlikely and wishful thinking, rooted in disbelief. It wasnt until I could find no other logical or plausible explanation that did not involve authoring additional lore or drawing unjustifiable conclusions that I looked into IT. IT had the logic, lore, and justifiable conclusions to back it up, so here I am. :lol:


And I think Makrys shared relatively the same path.. Am I right?

Me, i've been here for a while! Posted Image Admittedly tho I probably believed it too much for my own good at the beginning.

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If I'm not playing the game, working or sleeping, I'm in here. I don't even go to the Liara thread anymore. Too much hate and depression; and most don't want to listen to reason or be encouraged to be hopeful. I guess some people like misery more.


Hate and depression? What? The Liara thread has always been where we Liara lovers go to ESCAPE all that. Its always a pleasant place. Just like here. I don't know why you would say that. Everyone I've ever talked with over there are nice and amiable people.

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 08:10 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Not sure if you've noticed before, but I mentioned a couple of times that my initial inclination was to dismiss IT out-of-hand because I felt it was unlikely and wishful thinking, rooted in disbelief. It wasnt until I could find no other logical or plausible explanation that did not involve authoring additional lore or drawing unjustifiable conclusions that I looked into IT. IT had the logic, lore, and justifiable conclusions to back it up, so here I am. :lol:


That's the thing, IT makes too much sense Posted Image Which I've also heard used as an arguement against it Posted Image

Also, I've had the flu for a week, and have barely been on here, sadly Posted Image

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HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Not sure if you've noticed before, but I mentioned a couple of times that my initial inclination was to dismiss IT out-of-hand because I felt it was unlikely and wishful thinking, rooted in disbelief. It wasnt until I could find no other logical or plausible explanation that did not involve authoring additional lore or drawing unjustifiable conclusions that I looked into IT. IT had the logic, lore, and justifiable conclusions to back it up, so here I am. :lol:

Yeah, something kinda similar happened to me. I dismissed IT after finishing the game, but then I read that google doc.that was floating around, and it blew my mind. I am still not 100% convinced about all of the specifics of IT, but I am quite confident that the ending is not what it seems.

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munnellyladt wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...


everything else snipped, I hate pyramids, sue me!


I have a link if you care to see it.

I have many links... *maniacal grin while rubbing hands together*


yes prease...


Lots of good twitter responses here. The last one is the one you're looking for. 


Sorry wrote the tweet completly wrong,good thing you had that lying around.Posted Image


Not really! You had it mostly right! 

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 08:12 .


#19013
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Makrys wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...



everything else snipped, I hate pyramids, sue me!


I have a link if you care to see it.

I have many links... *maniacal grin while rubbing hands together*


yes prease...


Lots of good twitter responses here. The last one is the one you're looking for. 


Sorry wrote the tweet completly wrong,good thing you had that lying around.Posted Image


Not really! You had it mostly right! 


Yea,i guess i still got the point acrossPosted Image

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That's the thing, IT makes too much sense Posted Image Which I've also heard used as an arguement against it Posted Image

Also, I've had the flu for a week, and have barely been on here, sadly Posted Image


That perception is caused by poorly executed literature. For some authors, "it was all a dream" is just an excuse to indulge themselves with an incredibly outlandish or fantastical storyline without having the ability to bring it to a satisfying conclusion. Essentially, the "it was all a dream" ending does make "too much sense" because it destroys the realism of the universe and characters to which you became attached, leaving you with nothing. Of course a blank page makes too much sense, because there is nothing on it to examine!

Fortunately we already know that is not what Bioware is doing here, so the "too much sense" dismissal shouldnt apply. 

Hope you feel better soon!

Modifié par HellishFiend, 14 juin 2012 - 08:17 .


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Thread 1 and 2 are the only ones I've ever even posted on. Since the feelings of discovery and exhilaration of the early days are mostly gone, and very little new clues have been uncovered, I must say that my interest its starting to really weaken. Bioware needs to get that EC released soon, because I can't be the only one

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HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
That's the thing, IT makes too much sense Posted Image Which I've also heard used as an arguement against it Posted Image

Also, I've had the flu for a week, and have barely been on here, sadly Posted Image


That perception is caused by poorly executed literature. For some authors, "it was all a dream" is just an excuse to indulge themselves with an incredibly outlandish or fantastical storyline without having the ability to bring it to a satisfying conclusion. Essentially, the "it was all a dream" ending does make "too much sense" because it destroys the realism of the universe and characters to which you became attached, leaving you with nothing. Of course a blank page makes too much sense, because there is nothing on it to examine!

Fortunately we already know that is not what Bioware is doing here, so the "too much sense" dismissal shouldnt apply. 

Hope you feel better soon!


Well if IT is wrong then o well, plus Jessica said that the Red ending will let Shepard see his crew again, so I am okay with that. Even if the god child is in the EC I will still have the last laugh, or Shepard.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so. :)


You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!Posted Image

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!


Yeah, if IT carries the day, I hope that our "side" will keep the gloating to a minimum. Frankly, if IT is mostly true, I will be far too busy being happy for ALL Mass Effect fans to bother gloating. Having a great ending when you thought you had a terrible one should ideally be a victory for everyone, not just for those who called it ahead of time.

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Gone for two days and, woah, the thread explodes... What happened? :P

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Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so. :)


You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!Posted Image

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!


Yeah, if IT carries the day, I hope that our "side" will keep the gloating to a minimum. Frankly, if IT is mostly true, I will be far too busy being happy for ALL Mass Effect fans to bother gloating. Having a great ending when you thought you had a terrible one should ideally be a victory for everyone, not just for those who called it ahead of time.


I am not one to gloat but if IT is true, then " Top that Halo, and to all you troll's out there so sorry you were wrong.:D

Note: I am a fan of Halo, but ME over all.

P.S. sorry about that trolls.:innocent:

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mrs.N7 wrote...

Gone for two days and, woah, the thread explodes... What happened? :P


Caboose was here .:D

Modifié par masster blaster, 14 juin 2012 - 08:26 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Not sure if you've noticed before, but I mentioned a couple of times that my initial inclination was to dismiss IT out-of-hand because I felt it was unlikely and wishful thinking, rooted in disbelief. It wasnt until I could find no other logical or plausible explanation that did not involve authoring additional lore or drawing unjustifiable conclusions that I looked into IT. IT had the logic, lore, and justifiable conclusions to back it up, so here I am. :lol:


And I think Makrys shared relatively the same path.. Am I right?

Me, i've been here for a while! Posted Image Admittedly tho I probably believed it too much for my own good at the beginning.


Eh... not really. I finished the game and immediately thought, "That was awesome!". Then I went to bed. It was like 5 am. Yeah.

Then I awoke, and thought about what I had just experienced. Then, I thought, "Actually... that was all quite stupid. It doesn't make any sense! Wtf, Bioware! You just f me over like that!?". And so through my extremely frustrated and betrayed state of mind, I took to the internet searching for answers. Like any emotionally deranged human would after being betrayed by their favorite gaming company.

I searched for any sense that might apply itself to the ending. In my desperate search to find some answer to what I saw, I found the IT. At first I thought, "Huh." That was about it. Then I stumbled upon Acavyos' video, and upon watching that, was pretty amazed. I seriously remember exclaiming, "What?! No way! That is so awesome." after I realized all the clues I completely missed during my playthrough. By the end of the video, I was pretty much convinced. Seriously, kudos to Acavyos for crafting a compelling, and fun to watch video that really nailed all of IT's main points down in a 20 minute nutshell. I thought it was brilliant.

Then I discovered Parabolee's blog. After spending a good 40 to 60 minutes reading its entirety, I was basically convinced right then and there. So, I took to the forums and began engaging in the discussion.

And here I am. :)

Then CleverNoob came out with a wonderful documentary which basically confirmed the feelings I already had. 

And I've seen a lot more than just a couple videos and a blog. Including reading much of what went down here, in the original thread. So yeah, I've done my research. And I think if everyone applied the time and dedication to search for answers like I did, there would be MANY more IT believers.

So yeah, my humble origins story. 

"Can I hear another story about the Makrys?"

"No, my sweet. Makrys is f****** worn out from telling you the last one. So why don't you go jump into the nearest star, you miniature man model thing!"

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 08:34 .


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munnellyladt wrote...

Makrys wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...







everything else snipped, I hate pyramids, sue me!


I have a link if you care to see it.

I have many links... *maniacal grin while rubbing hands together*


yes prease...


Lots of good twitter responses here. The last one is the one you're looking for. 


Sorry wrote the tweet completly wrong,good thing you had that lying around.Posted Image


Not really! You had it mostly right! 


Yea,i guess i still got the point acrossPosted Image

This post is from 23 days ago and no one shouted that it effectively confirmed post-breath content?? Jessica states that Shepard and the crew can be reunited. There is no other way that this can happen than if Shepard gets up from the rubble.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 08:28 .


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Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so. :)


You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!Posted Image

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.


Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!


Yeah, if IT carries the day, I hope that our "side" will keep the gloating to a minimum. Frankly, if IT is mostly true, I will be far too busy being happy for ALL Mass Effect fans to bother gloating. Having a great ending when you thought you had a terrible one should ideally be a victory for everyone, not just for those who called it ahead of time.


Yeah, while some IT supporters will undoubtedly be on the forums rubbing it in other's faces, I will be more than happy playing through the trilogy again. ^_^

Modifié par Makrys, 14 juin 2012 - 08:28 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
That's the thing, IT makes too much sense Posted Image Which I've also heard used as an arguement against it Posted Image

Also, I've had the flu for a week, and have barely been on here, sadly Posted Image


That perception is caused by poorly executed literature. For some authors, "it was all a dream" is just an excuse to indulge themselves with an incredibly outlandish or fantastical storyline without having the ability to bring it to a satisfying conclusion. Essentially, the "it was all a dream" ending does make "too much sense" because it destroys the realism of the universe and characters to which you became attached, leaving you with nothing. Of course a blank page makes too much sense, because there is nothing on it to examine!

Fortunately we already know that is not what Bioware is doing here, so the "too much sense" dismissal shouldnt apply. 

Hope you feel better soon!


Well said. And hey, guess what it boils down to? Bioware are bad writers... again! Posted Image

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I'm a supporter of IT, but I do have a few questions about IT regarding control and synthesis. When Shepard wakes up after those endings, what happens? Just because the reapers convinced him in his dream that synthesis and control were possible (and why wouldn't shep? He didn't know it was a dream so to him the options were right infront of him) when he wakes up, would shep really be dumb enough to say "d@mm that stuff made sense in that dream, I support de reeperz now for some reason" I understand the reapers will be controlling his mind now but if he's gonna be a TIM like husk, he has to think what he is doing is right, then what would the reapers do to convince turning on his comrades during the final assault be?