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[paxxton]

greatcrusader44 wrote...

I'm a supporter of IT, but I do have a few questions about IT regarding control and synthesis. When Shepard wakes up after those endings, what happens? Just because the reapers convinced him in his dream that synthesis and control were possible (and why wouldn't shep? He didn't know it was a dream so to him the options were right infront of him) when he wakes up, would shep really be dumb enough to say "d@mm that stuff made sense in that dream, I support de reeperz now for some reason" I understand the reapers will be controlling his mind now but if he's gonna be a TIM like husk, he has to think what he is doing is right, then what would the reapers do to convince turning on his comrades during the final assault be?

Maybe the Reapers will give him an illusion of control and he'll have to fight his way out of indoctrination before attempting to destroy them for real.

Maybe BioWare is planning a dark-themed DLC in which you play as Shepard being a sleeper agent of the Reapers (by choice).

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[HellishFiend]

greatcrusader44 wrote...

I'm a supporter of IT, but I do have a few questions about IT regarding control and synthesis. When Shepard wakes up after those endings, what happens? Just because the reapers convinced him in his dream that synthesis and control were possible (and why wouldn't shep? He didn't know it was a dream so to him the options were right infront of him) when he wakes up, would shep really be dumb enough to say "d@mm that stuff made sense in that dream, I support de reeperz now for some reason" I understand the reapers will be controlling his mind now but if he's gonna be a TIM like husk, he has to think what he is doing is right, then what would the reapers do to convince turning on his comrades during the final assault be?

A lot of that remains to be seen, but the gist of it is that the Reapers will have twisted Shepard's morals and values to be more aligned with that of the Reapers themselves. So he will ostensibly wake up and start questioning whether what they are attempting to do is right. Much like Dr Kenson from Arrival. It starts slowly, as just a slight doubt, then gradually builds until you eventually oppose the idea of opposing the Reapers at all. How will this play out in the EC? I have no idea. 

[paxxton]

[Shepard in the Temple of Athame, no one answers] "I guess theeese are the forumites."

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 08:54 .

[paxxton]

[Arian Dynas]

Arashi08 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sick, sick people.

Also, I have decided I should write more often when It is so late in the evening that it's early in the morning, I get some of my better ideas when my mind isn't entirely there.

the best ideas are alwasy thought up with lack of sleep or booze....

Well I've decided that my villain, whom I long ago decided was possed by his "boss" a demon with whom he made a faustian bargain, is motivated by a desire to annul his contract and die, despite the desires of the demon, whom is more conventionally motivated by power. They've spent so much time it's difficult to tell what part is the demon, what part is him, now drained of emotion and desire for life from a life too long lived, and what is gestalt of the two, a being created from the chance meeting of two minds, and a man who no longer exists.

it is always nice to see a fellow writer

...

I am still surprised that this occured to no one before.

I wrote three different ending scripts for fun, and was thinking about writing some scripts for possible DLC for the hell of it, and it doesn't occur to anyone that I might be a writer?

[paxxton]

So did you send in your laptop?

[Turbo_J]

Makrys wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

If I'm not playing the game, working or sleeping, I'm in here. I don't even go to the Liara thread anymore. Too much hate and depression; and most don't want to listen to reason or be encouraged to be hopeful. I guess some people like misery more.

Hate and depression? What? The Liara thread has always been where we Liara lovers go to ESCAPE all that. Its always a pleasant place. Just like here. I don't know why you would say that. Everyone I've ever talked with over there are nice and amiable people.

My own lack of claification... did not mean that to be directed at the Liara thread. Sorry... It got a little depressing and not many people were inclined to listen to hope at the time, so I dropped out. I meant hate and depression' regardning the majority of BSN, not that thread.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...
...

I am still surprised that this occured to no one before.

I wrote three different ending scripts for fun, and was thinking about writing some scripts for possible DLC for the hell of it, and it doesn't occur to anyone that I might be a writer?

Your scripts kinda make me wish I was more into fanfic, because they are really good. Yes, that was a compliment. 

[paxxton]

Jessica Merizan is a BioWare rep. She should be trusted even if her ways are odd as some people suggest.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[Jadebaby]

Makrys wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so.

You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.

Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!

Yeah, if IT carries the day, I hope that our "side" will keep the gloating to a minimum. Frankly, if IT is mostly true, I will be far too busy being happy for ALL Mass Effect fans to bother gloating. Having a great ending when you thought you had a terrible one should ideally be a victory for everyone, not just for those who called it ahead of time.

Yeah, while some IT supporters will undoubtedly be on the forums rubbing it in other's faces, I will be more than happy playing through the trilogy again. 

Me too, infact, I will probs come on here to celebrate with everyone, then spend the next couple of months pouring all my free time into repeated playthroughs! Also, thanks for sharing Makrys!

However, if IT is proved false... There will be a lot more i told you so threads than if IT is confirmed me thinks.

[masster blaster]

Turbo_J wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

If I'm not playing the game, working or sleeping, I'm in here. I don't even go to the Liara thread anymore. Too much hate and depression; and most don't want to listen to reason or be encouraged to be hopeful. I guess some people like misery more.

Hate and depression? What? The Liara thread has always been where we Liara lovers go to ESCAPE all that. Its always a pleasant place. Just like here. I don't know why you would say that. Everyone I've ever talked with over there are nice and amiable people.

My own lack of claification... did not mean that to be directed at the Liara thread. Sorry... It got a little depressing and not many people were inclined to listen to hope at the time, so I dropped out. I meant hate and depression' regardning the majority of BSN, not that thread.

Um I am not a Liara fan LI but I respect  Liara and many perople don't like happy endings because they mostly don't have a happy life. If you noticed Batman never use to be as dark as he was in the old days. Batman was actually  a jokster like spiderman and put on a smile all the time.

But now you hardly ever see Batman smile in our era, and it's because people are deperesd with there lifes so much they want darker storys that have a twissted end not an end that has rainbows,and a warm feeling, hens ME2 it got darker and the storyline got richer all because it had more deppresion and hate invovled.

I understand how you fell but give it time and they all will come around, and it so happens that Jessica Merzain said Red ending will allow Shepard to see his, or her crew again. so there is still hope.

[Arian Dynas]

paxxton wrote...

So did you send in your laptop?

Yep.

And I was wrong.

It has to go to Huston.

Texas.

From Anchorage.

On the plus side, at least they promised not to touch the hard drive unless they absolutely have to.

And the thing is ensured, if lost or damaged, I get $2000, which is more than I actually even spent on the thing.

So, Fed Ex being Fed Ex, it should. SHOULD get there safe and back in one piece, hard drive untouched and exactly as I left it. The only differences being a new fan, and maybe a new casing.

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
...

I am still surprised that this occured to no one before.

I wrote three different ending scripts for fun, and was thinking about writing some scripts for possible DLC for the hell of it, and it doesn't occur to anyone that I might be a writer?

Your scripts kinda make me wish I was more into fanfic, because they are really good. Yes, that was a compliment.

I don't think of it as fanfic really, at the time they were what I genuinely believed the EC would be like, or could be like, so really they were more theories.

But I suppose if you wanted a quick shorthand, you could call them fanfic.

And thank you.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Me too, infact, I will probs come on here to celebrate with everyone, then spend the next couple of months pouring all my free time into repeated playthroughs! Also, thanks for sharing Makrys!

However, if IT is proved false... There will be a lot more i told you so threads than if IT is confirmed me thinks.

No doubt, they will practically be standing in line to rub it in our faces.

[masster blaster]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I just ventured out of this thread into the great wild, wild wasteland that is the ME3 Story discussion board. Man, I forgot how pissed off everybody is. I just want to give them all a hug and tell them to cheer up because good things are on the horizon. I pretty sure they'd look at me as if I were a lunatic if I did that. And perhaps they would be right...but I don't think so.

You know, I'm actually the other way around, always checking the boards to see if there's any new info, and ocassionally jumping in here too. Maybe I should change my strategy. I start to get headaches now if i'm on BSN for too long...

Too much speculating!

Yeah I mostly just stick to this thread and the MP forums. It was actually sort of jarring to see people speculate about the EC without even taking IT into consideration. If IT turns out to be true, I sure hope those folks don't get super pissed off all over again.

Yea... Whether IT is true or not there are going to be a ****ton of "I told you so" threads...

@ Makrys... Awesome thanks!

Yeah, if IT carries the day, I hope that our "side" will keep the gloating to a minimum. Frankly, if IT is mostly true, I will be far too busy being happy for ALL Mass Effect fans to bother gloating. Having a great ending when you thought you had a terrible one should ideally be a victory for everyone, not just for those who called it ahead of time.

Yeah, while some IT supporters will undoubtedly be on the forums rubbing it in other's faces, I will be more than happy playing through the trilogy again. 

Me too, infact, I will probs come on here to celebrate with everyone, then spend the next couple of months pouring all my free time into repeated playthroughs! Also, thanks for sharing Makrys!

However, if IT is proved false... There will be a lot more i told you so threads than if IT is confirmed me thinks.

If IT is proved true then Mass Effect marithon, then RvB, marithon, and get ready to watch " The Dark Knight Rises" movie if EC is not out by that time.

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

Jessica Merizan is a BioWare rep. She should be trusted even if her ways are odd as some people suggest.

You bet She can be trusted She said that the Red ending will let Shepard be with his crew again, but at a prise depending our chocies we made along the way.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

masster blaster wrote...

Um I am not a Liara fan LI but I respect  Liara and many perople don't like happy endings because they mostly don't have a happy life. If you noticed Batman never use to be as dark as he was in the old days. Batman was actually  a jokster like spiderman and put on a smile all the time.

But now you hardly ever see Batman smile in our era, and it's because people are deperesd with there lifes so much they want darker storys that have a twissted end not an end that has rainbows,and a warm feeling, hens ME2 it got darker and the storyline got richer all because it had more deppresion and hate invovled.

I understand how you fell but give it time and they all will come around, and it so happens that Jessica Merzain said Red ending will allow Shepard to see his, or her crew again. so there is still hope.

Cant disagree there, though I must admit I rarely enjoy stories which have completely happy endings...it just feels too...fake...most of the time. Not asking for a greek tradegy though

Still I think waht you said  is why people like My Little Pony: Frienship is Magic. It is ray of joy and laughter, almost purely positive (and quality enterainment) among the dark and brooding of other stories and real life.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 14 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[Memnon]

I figured I would drop in here again after the Vorcha thread. To recap my stance, I'm hopeful for IT but a bit cynical. My thought process as I was playing through the ending went something like this: initially I thought I was in a dream sequence (Marauder Shields, etc); as I was conversing with the Illusive Man and Anderson, I thought I actually was under the influence of indoctrination - this was before I was even aware of IT. As I was talking to the starkid, I was thinking that this was a rushed piece of junk, and the paragon of deus ex machinas. I completed the game thinking that the ending was rushed and just ... horrible. Then I came here looking for hope and found the IT discussion ...

Having said that I've got a few questions - they've probably been addressed, but this thread is 760+ posts long, so forgive me if they've already been answered. They're actually kind of the same question - regarding the destruction of the relays, the Normandy crash sequence, and the Stargazer. What is the point of them in the context of IT? What I mean is this - in the context of Shepard being indoctrinated what signifiance does the destruction of the relays hold? Is it symbolic? My sense was that Bioware wanted to end the series with a 'bang' and thought this was the most shocking way to do it ... leaving the galaxy in something of a dark age with species stranded on foreign worlds. If IT is true, then EVERYTHING was done deliberately and by precise design, so these animated sequences have some significance. The same goes for the Normandy and Stargazer sequences - I just don't see how they fit with IT

I've seen the videos try to address this somehow; e.g. the Normandy scene is supposed to symbolize hope - but why? Is he indoctrinated and dreaming - why would this be there if you chose destroy and lived at the end? 

Modifié par Stornskar, 14 juin 2012 - 09:35 .

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Me too, infact, I will probs come on here to celebrate with everyone, then spend the next couple of months pouring all my free time into repeated playthroughs! Also, thanks for sharing Makrys!

However, if IT is proved false... There will be a lot more i told you so threads than if IT is confirmed me thinks.

No doubt, they will practically be standing in line to rub it in our faces.

Then I at least, will disappear and deny them their satisfaction.

[masster blaster]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Um I am not a Liara fan LI but I respect  Liara and many perople don't like happy endings because they mostly don't have a happy life. If you noticed Batman never use to be as dark as he was in the old days. Batman was actually  a jokster like spiderman and put on a smile all the time.

But now you hardly ever see Batman smile in our era, and it's because people are deperesd with there lifes so much they want darker storys that have a twissted end not an end that has rainbows,and a warm feeling, hens ME2 it got darker and the storyline got richer all because it had more deppresion and hate invovled.

I understand how you fell but give it time and they all will come around, and it so happens that Jessica Merzain said Red ending will allow Shepard to see his, or her crew again. so there is still hope.

Cant disagree there, though I must admit I rarely enjoy stories which have completely happy endings...it just feels too...fake...most of the time. Not asking for a greek tradegy though

Still I think waht you said  is why people like My Little Pony: Frienship is Magic. It is ray of joy and laughter, almost purely positive (and quality enterainment) among the dark and brooding of other stories and real life.

That's about what sums it up. Oh but you do care about ME3 for an happy ending a least without a sacrifes.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

masster blaster wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Um I am not a Liara fan LI but I respect  Liara and many perople don't like happy endings because they mostly don't have a happy life. If you noticed Batman never use to be as dark as he was in the old days. Batman was actually  a jokster like spiderman and put on a smile all the time.

But now you hardly ever see Batman smile in our era, and it's because people are deperesd with there lifes so much they want darker storys that have a twissted end not an end that has rainbows,and a warm feeling, hens ME2 it got darker and the storyline got richer all because it had more deppresion and hate invovled.

I understand how you fell but give it time and they all will come around, and it so happens that Jessica Merzain said Red ending will allow Shepard to see his, or her crew again. so there is still hope.

Cant disagree there, though I must admit I rarely enjoy stories which have completely happy endings...it just feels too...fake...most of the time. Not asking for a greek tradegy though

Still I think waht you said  is why people like My Little Pony: Frienship is Magic. It is ray of joy and laughter, almost purely positive (and quality enterainment) among the dark and brooding of other stories and real life.

That's about what sums it up. Oh but you do care about ME3 for an happy ending a least without a sacrifes.

Enough heroes have died allready in Mass Effect, I dont need more sacrifices than those, Kaidan/Ashely, Mordin, Thane and Legion did to remind me what this war has cost.

More than anything I dident go through 3 games with Liara by my side to not see Shepard and her together by the end.

[HellishFiend]

Stornskar wrote...

I figured I would drop in here again after the Vorcha thread. To recap my stance, I'm hopeful for IT but a bit cynical. My thought process as I was playing through the ending went something like this: initially I thought I was in a dream sequence (Marauder Shields, etc); as I was conversing with the Illusive Man and Anderson, I thought I actually was under the influence of indoctrination - this was before I was even aware of IT. As I was talking to the starkid, I was thinking that this was a rushed piece of junk, and the paragon of deus ex machinas. I completed the game thinking that the ending was rushed and just ... horrible. Then I came here looking for hope and found the IT discussion ...

Having said that I've got a few questions - they've probably been addressed, but this thread is 760+ posts long, so forgive me if they've already been answered. They're actually kind of the same question - regarding the destruction of the relays, the Normandy crash sequence, and the Stargazer. What is the point of them in the context of IT? What I mean is this - in the context of Shepard being indoctrinated what signifiance does the destruction of the relays hold? Is it symbolic? My sense was that Bioware wanted to end the series with a 'bang' and thought this was the most shocking way to do it ... leaving the galaxy in something of a dark age with species stranded on foreign worlds. If IT is true, then EVERYTHING was done deliberately and by precise design, so these animated sequences have some significance. The same goes for the Normandy and Stargazer sequences - I just don't see how they fit with IT

I've seen the vidoes try to address this somehow; e.g. the Normandy scene is supposed to symbolize hope - but why? Is he indoctrinated and dreaming - why would this be there if you chose destroy and lived at the end? 

Because everyone has to wake up from a dream eventually. Like you said, according to IT, everything that happens after you make your choice is just Shepard's vision of hope, peace, and unity. It also explains why they are all so similar. It's just one person's imagination, so he is applying similar thought process and imagination to all 3 choices when dreaming about the results of his choice.

[Dwailing]

Stornskar wrote...

I figured I would drop in here again after the Vorcha thread. To recap my stance, I'm hopeful for IT but a bit cynical. My thought process as I was playing through the ending went something like this: initially I thought I was in a dream sequence (Marauder Shields, etc); as I was conversing with the Illusive Man and Anderson, I thought I actually was under the influence of indoctrination - this was before I was even aware of IT. As I was talking to the starkid, I was thinking that this was a rushed piece of junk, and the paragon of deus ex machinas. I completed the game thinking that the ending was rushed and just ... horrible. Then I came here looking for hope and found the IT discussion ...

Having said that I've got a few questions - they've probably been addressed, but this thread is 760+ posts long, so forgive me if they've already been answered. They're actually kind of the same question - regarding the destruction of the relays, the Normandy crash sequence, and the Stargazer. What is the point of them in the context of IT? What I mean is this - in the context of Shepard being indoctrinated what signifiance does the destruction of the relays hold? Is it symbolic? My sense was that Bioware wanted to end the series with a 'bang' and thought this was the most shocking way to do it ... leaving the galaxy in something of a dark age with species stranded on foreign worlds. If IT is true, then EVERYTHING was done deliberately and by precise design, so these animated sequences have some significance. The same goes for the Normandy and Stargazer sequences - I just don't see how they fit with IT

I've seen the vidoes try to address this somehow; e.g. the Normandy scene is supposed to symbolize hope - but why? Is he indoctrinated and dreaming - why would this be there if you chose destroy and lived at the end? 

Well, Star-Brat told Shepard that the relays would be destroyed, so he's hallucinating that they are.  As for the Normandy Crash, it's probably Shepard hallucinating that his crew are safe and sound somewhere, with hope for the future (Unless you have low EMS, at which point I'm guessing that Shepard just think's they're screwed.).  As for the Buzz Aldrin, one of our guys had a theory that it could be a coded message to the players (Was that you, Hellish?). 

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

Well, Star-Brat told Shepard that the relays would be destroyed, so he's hallucinating that they are.  As for the Normandy Crash, it's probably Shepard hallucinating that his crew are safe and sound somewhere, with hope for the future (Unless you have low EMS, at which point I'm guessing that Shepard just think's they're screwed.).  As for the Buzz Aldrin, one of our guys had a theory that it could be a coded message to the players (Was that you, Hellish?). 

Yeah, that was me. Here it is if anyone wants to see it. 

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Me too, infact, I will probs come on here to celebrate with everyone, then spend the next couple of months pouring all my free time into repeated playthroughs! Also, thanks for sharing Makrys!

However, if IT is proved false... There will be a lot more i told you so threads than if IT is confirmed me thinks.

No doubt, they will practically be standing in line to rub it in our faces.

Then I at least, will disappear and deny them their satisfaction.

No kidding.  I think I'll vanish from the forums for a while until the ****storm settles down.  I'll also do that if the EC DOESN'T confirm IT.   ('Cause we ALL know that there is going to be a vocal minority that get's all angry and freaked out about being fooled and that's going to ruin the celebratory mood on the forum.)

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Um I am not a Liara fan LI but I respect  Liara and many perople don't like happy endings because they mostly don't have a happy life. If you noticed Batman never use to be as dark as he was in the old days. Batman was actually  a jokster like spiderman and put on a smile all the time.

But now you hardly ever see Batman smile in our era, and it's because people are deperesd with there lifes so much they want darker storys that have a twissted end not an end that has rainbows,and a warm feeling, hens ME2 it got darker and the storyline got richer all because it had more deppresion and hate invovled.

I understand how you fell but give it time and they all will come around, and it so happens that Jessica Merzain said Red ending will allow Shepard to see his, or her crew again. so there is still hope.

Cant disagree there, though I must admit I rarely enjoy stories which have completely happy endings...it just feels too...fake...most of the time. Not asking for a greek tradegy though

Still I think waht you said  is why people like My Little Pony: Frienship is Magic. It is ray of joy and laughter, almost purely positive (and quality enterainment) among the dark and brooding of other stories and real life.

That's about what sums it up. Oh but you do care about ME3 for an happy ending a least without a sacrifes.

Enough heroes have died allready in Mass Effect, I dont need more sacrifices than those, Kaidan/Ashely, Mordin, Thane and Legion did to remind me what this war has cost.

More than anything I dident go through 3 games with Liara by my side to not see Shepard and her together by the end.

I agree. Shepard shouldn't die or commit suicide at the end of the story. It's so hopeless. A bittersweet ending doesn't have to involve an irreversible death of the main character, it can be severe physical injury or mental impairment. But I guess for many Shepard's death would be a lighter ending than that.

I suppose in ME2 Shepard's dying at the end was more tolerable because it was really hard to get that ending. In ME3 it's almost unavoidable.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 09:46 .