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estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Oh, come on! At least I apologized!


Yes, that was mostly directed at paxxton. :devil::P

*sigh* I got it. Posted Image


Hey, at least you dont act that way on a regular basis and claim there is nothing wrong with it. Could be worse. <_<



Do...do act like that on a regular basis?:crying:


That wasnt what I was trying to imply with my post, if that's what you mean. I was more referring to the kind of people that turn any thread they dont like into a spiderman thread, or something similar. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's safe in an alternate universe where I chose Control and Poop Synthessis never happened. Posted Image


Yknow, this whole ridiculously childish discussion does kind of raise a good point:

What would happen if we threw things other than Shepard into the beam?

Technically TIM is half-synthetic too at this point, why not throw him in?


I'm a fan of throwing the destroy pipe into the beam, that way everyone and everything turns into a hybrid of a pipe that you can shoot to eliminate all synthetics in the galaxy. Should buy us a few trillion cycles worth of peace before the chaos returns, or something like that. 


What if I poured a bucket of water in there? Would I turn all organics into mostly water? What a horrible fate!

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HellishFiend wrote...

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I say anyone who wants that sort of thing should get it. 'choice'

I only have 2 Sheps out of 10 that would even consider it based on the roll play. Most of the others want to work as Specters, are so stupid or short sighted they will likely die, or were having a 'flig'. It kind of bugs me that the romance with Liara ends if you just want it to remain a 'friendly' flig.


flig, or fling? One is in websters, the other is in urban dictionary. <_<


Typo! I fixed it. Thanks for that though.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's safe in an alternate universe where I chose Control and Poop Synthessis never happened. Posted Image


Yknow, this whole ridiculously childish discussion does kind of raise a good point:

What would happen if we threw things other than Shepard into the beam?

Technically TIM is half-synthetic too at this point, why not throw him in?


No we through Griff in so that everyone can be lazy and nobody will die because of  War but out of pure lazyness.

Or Caboose so that um... everyone can.... be like you know Caboose.

But back to what you said Tim don't want to take any chances of him coming back as a reapers so ya.

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HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's safe in an alternate universe where I chose Control and Poop Synthessis never happened. Posted Image


Yknow, this whole ridiculously childish discussion does kind of raise a good point:

What would happen if we threw things other than Shepard into the beam?

Technically TIM is half-synthetic too at this point, why not throw him in?


I'm a fan of throwing the destroy pipe into the beam, that way everyone and everything turns into a hybrid of a pipe that you can shoot to eliminate all synthetics in the galaxy. Should buy us a few trillion cycles worth of peace before the chaos returns, or something like that. 


that's funny.

I'd throw the catalyst into the beam... Just to see what would happen..

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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's safe in an alternate universe where I chose Control and Poop Synthessis never happened. Posted Image


Yknow, this whole ridiculously childish discussion does kind of raise a good point:

What would happen if we threw things other than Shepard into the beam?

Technically TIM is half-synthetic too at this point, why not throw him in?


No we through Griff in so that everyone can be lazy and nobody will die because of  War but out of pure lazyness.

Or Caboose so that um... everyone can.... be like you know Caboose.

But back to what you said Tim don't want to take any chances of him coming back as a reapers so ya.


Throw Church in there. Make everyone AIs that literally cannot manage to ever shoot anyone. The Reapers cant even claim the new Church hybrids will turn on their creators, because even if they did, they wouldnt be able to kill them.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

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The only counter-arguement is that people have assumed it was a glitch that was meant to be sent to you while Shepard was in lockup at the start. However, why would the VS send you a message like that when they clearly don't trust you because of your ties to Cerberus?


What? But it's clearly them visiting you in hospital?


Keep in mind that these same people writing it off as a glitch are the same ones who dont "get" all of the in-game symbolism and clues that point towards IT. 


Well that's a very good point. Maybe someone should make a new thread about it or bump the necro one to try and get a better answer for it.

The people who just say it's rushed and sloppy work need to understand that some of it is just so downright sloppy that it seems to be intended. I wish I knew more about the unreal 3 engine they used and the process in general so I could have a better understanding what may have been just glitches or oversights and what may have been purposely put there. For instance MotB (Mystery of the Gun)



If IT is true, it is definitly not the first time, that you have to get other franchise articles, to get all the hints towards indoctrination. Especially the novel about Reaper-Paul Greyson gives you so many hints. Posted Image

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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Oh, come on! At least I apologized!


Yes, that was mostly directed at paxxton. :devil::P

*sigh* I got it. Posted Image


Hey, at least you dont act that way on a regular basis and claim there is nothing wrong with it. Could be worse. <_<



Do...do act like that on a regular basis?:crying:


That wasnt what I was trying to imply with my post, if that's what you mean. I was more referring to the kind of people that turn any thread they dont like into a spiderman thread, or something similar. 



To be honest, I was kinda annoyed with the OP, because s/he never answered any questions or even considered his/her "theory" to be false. Pair that with Sauruz posting the first pic, I just figured "what the hell, I've never done this before!" and just went with it.

Also, I din't like how Seival said in the control thread that all indoctrinationists that don't fit his/her view aren't real indoctrinationists.

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estebanus wrote...

*Uses space magic and poops into synthesis beam*

Haha! I got you! now, you're half organic, half poop!

HAHAHA! I AM A GENIOUS!

*Realizes he just turned the whole galaxy into half poop-men*

AAARRGH! WHAT HAVE I DONE?! I'VE CREATED AN ABOMINATION!!!


Why did I immediately think of this?

http://spoonyexperim...-age-of-manure/

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estebanus wrote...

To be honest, I was kinda annoyed with the OP, because s/he never answered any questions or even considered his/her "theory" to be false. Pair that with Sauruz posting the first pic, I just figured "what the hell, I've never done this before!" and just went with it.

Also, I din't like how Seival said in the control thread that all indoctrinationists that don't fit his/her view aren't real indoctrinationists.


I agree, Seival is way off base with almost everything he says, which lends credence to the possibility that he's a troll. But I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they overtly cross over the line into troll territory. I just think that regardless of who he is or what he's doing, well, you know my thoughts on that already. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 14 juin 2012 - 10:35 .


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byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's safe in an alternate universe where I chose Control and Poop Synthessis never happened. Posted Image


Yknow, this whole ridiculously childish discussion does kind of raise a good point:

What would happen if we threw things other than Shepard into the beam?

Technically TIM is half-synthetic too at this point, why not throw him in?


I'm a fan of throwing the destroy pipe into the beam, that way everyone and everything turns into a hybrid of a pipe that you can shoot to eliminate all synthetics in the galaxy. Should buy us a few trillion cycles worth of peace before the chaos returns, or something like that. 


What if I poured a bucket of water in there? Would I turn all organics into mostly water? What a horrible fate!


No, i think they'd be a hybrid of bucket and water.. err ... somehow...

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HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I gutted myself laughing then felt like an enormous man-child.

I hope you're happy :P

Also, quick update - I'm about to start gutting the audio from london for infrasound etc :wizard:


You're my hero, TSA! Regardless of the results, massive props for not only discovering this possibility but also doing the legwork on it. 

I second that credit, for it is due.


Turbo_J wrote...

ME3 seems shorter than the others in a competitionist sense. 15-20 hours shorter than ME1, and about 10 hours shorter than ME2.

I've
always thought that the tie up would be a Post-Ending DLC. Not a new
ending, not and addition to the ending, but after the ending of the
current game. And it fits Indoctrination and the devs comments about not
changing the ending. They 'can't' change it. The planned content
wouldn't work if they did.


Oh, t'was truly a bittersweet moment when I read this post. Having posted hypothesises like this all over the forum back in March and April without any kind of response (that was before I decided to spend my days on this thread), I was losing hope either in myself or other users. But now, seeing that...I love you guys!

May the EC be with us.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 14 juin 2012 - 10:36 .


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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's safe in an alternate universe where I chose Control and Poop Synthessis never happened. Posted Image


Yknow, this whole ridiculously childish discussion does kind of raise a good point:

What would happen if we threw things other than Shepard into the beam?

Technically TIM is half-synthetic too at this point, why not throw him in?


No we through Griff in so that everyone can be lazy and nobody will die because of  War but out of pure lazyness.

Or Caboose so that um... everyone can.... be like you know Caboose.

But back to what you said Tim don't want to take any chances of him coming back as a reapers so ya.


Throw Church in there. Make everyone AIs that literally cannot manage to ever shoot anyone. The Reapers cant even claim the new Church hybrids will turn on their creators, because even if they did, they wouldnt be able to kill them.


Ya that would be nice, but then Caboose will get angry that he lost his best friend, but i guess that's why Wash is there for.

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Gernbuster wrote...

Guys, if the IT will be true, do you really think after that brilliant waking up of Shepard, they press a button, the crucible is fireing nd the war is over? If thats gonna be true they messed it up once more. In my oppinion the crucible is still a Reaper trap and there will be an Add-On.

And my personal perfect end is, that in ME4, you play Shepards child, depending on your LI.
for example an adopted Quarian, etc
Of course you are able to choose your char at the beginning (like DA), but then you can't import your personal end from ME3. ;)


An add-on with at least 3-5 hours of game play would be the absolute minimum to not cause more backlash. Preferably 8hrs plus. You can't have people in limbo for months and then release a tease. Players aren't distraught about the end anymore, and momentum has slowed. It's going to take more than an epilogue to satisfy people at this point

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 14 juin 2012 - 10:40 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Oh, come on! At least I apologized!


Yes, that was mostly directed at paxxton. :devil::P

*sigh* I got it. Posted Image


Hey, at least you dont act that way on a regular basis and claim there is nothing wrong with it. Could be worse. <_<

Posted Image


EDIT: My previous post was more serious than I wanted it to be. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 10:45 .


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What if Shepard peed into the beam?

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Has much as I hate the other two endings other than Destroy, my question is once Shepard is materialized how do we know Shepard is controlling the Reapers.

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estebanus wrote...


To be honest, I was kinda annoyed with the OP, because s/he never answered any questions or even considered his/her "theory" to be false. Pair that with Sauruz posting the first pic, I just figured "what the hell, I've never done this before!" and just went with it.

Also, I din't like how Seival said in the control thread that all indoctrinationists that don't fit his/her view aren't real indoctrinationists.


Seival has control support banners in his signature. Said banners have paragon symbol in them.

If you think enslaving an entire species is in any way paragon, you got very confused somewhere along the line.

Also, the thread being called a 'support thread' kind of gets on my nerves too.

If you believe in your idea, you shouldnt need a support thread. We dont call this the IT support thread.

Reminds me of this picture:

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That said, no matter how dumb I think your ideas are, I dont think it justifies shutting your thread down.

Modifié par byne, 14 juin 2012 - 10:40 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

To be honest, I was kinda annoyed with the OP, because s/he never answered any questions or even considered his/her "theory" to be false. Pair that with Sauruz posting the first pic, I just figured "what the hell, I've never done this before!" and just went with it.

Also, I din't like how Seival said in the control thread that all indoctrinationists that don't fit his/her view aren't real indoctrinationists.


I agree, Seival is way off base with almost everything he says, which lends credence to the possibility that he's a troll. But I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they overtly cross over the line into troll territory. I just think that regardless of who he is or what he's doing, well, you know my thoughts on that already. 



You know, Seival kinda reminds me of a guy named Doransel who master-trolled craploads of people by making anti-alien threads. He even proceeded to create multiple personas who did the same thing!
Ultimately, he admitted he trolled everyone.

I've got this tingling feeling that Seival may just be another of Doransels' personas...

Modifié par estebanus, 14 juin 2012 - 10:40 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Guys, if the IT will be true, do you really think after that brilliant waking up of Shepard, they press a button, the crucible is fireing nd the war is over? If thats gonna be true they messed it up once more. In my oppinion the crucible is still a Reaper trap and there will be an Add-On.

And my personal perfect end is, that in ME4, you play Shepards child, depending on your LI.
for example an adopted Quarian, etc
Of course you are able to choose your char at the beginning (like DA), but then you can't import your personal end from ME3. ;)


An add-on with at least 3-5 hours of game play would be the absolute minimum to not cause more backlash. Preferably 8hrs plus. You can't have people in limbo for months and then release a tease.



Ok as long as the Crucible is not a weapon of super Reaper Mass destruction i don't care if there will be an Add-On or not.

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Wow. In my search for a clever video answer I missed many post quoting me. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 10:45 .


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this thread sometimes... seriously...

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BatmanTurian wrote...

this thread sometimes... seriously...



At least Dwailing can finally get some work done. <_<

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MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I gutted myself laughing then felt like an enormous man-child.

I hope you're happy :P

Also, quick update - I'm about to start gutting the audio from london for infrasound etc :wizard:


You're my hero, TSA! Regardless of the results, massive props for not only discovering this possibility but also doing the legwork on it. 

I second that credit, for it is due.


Turbo_J wrote...

ME3 seems shorter than the others in a competitionist sense. 15-20 hours shorter than ME1, and about 10 hours shorter than ME2.

I've
always thought that the tie up would be a Post-Ending DLC. Not a new
ending, not and addition to the ending, but after the ending of the
current game. And it fits Indoctrination and the devs comments about not
changing the ending. They 'can't' change it. The planned content
wouldn't work if they did.


Oh, t'was truly a bittersweet moment when I read this post. Having posted hypothesises like this all over the forum back in March and April without any kind of response (that was before I decided to spend my days on this thread), I was losing hope either in myself or other users. But now, seeing that...I love you guys!

May the EC be with us.


lol thanks. I tried that in March. This was one of the last PMs to a friend on the subject. I was writing to them as early as the 14th of March because they took a while to finish. After a few public posts on it in the forums, I stopped talking about it publicly. It was not worth the insults or becoming a target of the angry.

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paxxton wrote...

Wow. In my search for a clever video answer I missed many post quoting me. Posted Image



There! You got exactly what you wanted!