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[Big Bad]

Has anybody heard from Lexor01 lately? I know that he temporarily lost the ability to post motivationals, but that didn't mean he had to actually leave! ...Unless...the motivational-creating program has become sentient and Lexor01 is its platform/avatar? Whoa. This can only mean one thing: organics and synthetics alike both agree that Shepard's blue babies are an absolute requirement!

[MaximizedAction]

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

[Big G13]

Big Bad wrote...

Has anybody heard from Lexor01 lately? I know that he temporarily lost the ability to post motivationals, but that didn't mean he had to actually leave! ...Unless...the motivational-creating program has become sentient and Lexor01 is its platform/avatar? Whoa. This can only mean one thing: organics and synthetics alike both agree that Shepard's blue babies are an absolute requirement!

Lex0r11, Lex0r11, Lex0r11.  Does that work for the good guys? Or is that just work as a troll summons? :happy:

[Naseilen]

MaximizedAction wrote...
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.

For me that was more revenge in "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" meaning than execution.

Modifié par Naseilen, 17 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[Big Bad]

Big G13 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Has anybody heard from Lexor01 lately? I know that he temporarily lost the ability to post motivationals, but that didn't mean he had to actually leave! ...Unless...the motivational-creating program has become sentient and Lexor01 is its platform/avatar? Whoa. This can only mean one thing: organics and synthetics alike both agree that Shepard's blue babies are an absolute requirement!

Lex0r11, Lex0r11, Lex0r11.  Does that work for the good guys? Or is that just work as a troll summons? :happy:

I think you actually have to simultaneously type it and say it into a mirror to get him to appear.

[Big G13]

Big Bad wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Has anybody heard from Lexor01 lately? I know that he temporarily lost the ability to post motivationals, but that didn't mean he had to actually leave! ...Unless...the motivational-creating program has become sentient and Lexor01 is its platform/avatar? Whoa. This can only mean one thing: organics and synthetics alike both agree that Shepard's blue babies are an absolute requirement!

Lex0r11, Lex0r11, Lex0r11.  Does that work for the good guys? Or is that just work as a troll summons? :happy:

I think you actually have to simultaneously type it and say it into a mirror to get him to appear.

hum, sounds complicated. Not sure if I can pull off that much multitasking.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I doubt it was symbolic at the time, but likely became so after some programmer looked and said "Hey! Funny coincidence, we keep using the Predator model for these type of scenes, and we keep using the Carnifex model for these. Weird huh?"

 

Yeah, since they were working under the dark matter ending at the time, they probably didn't give Saren different guns as foreshadowing or anything.

Since the Klencory text gives a disturbingly apt description of starbrat's... rape of logic, then it's quite possible that they have indeed been planning it the whole time.

STEN: No.

[Rosewind]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

I think Kai Leng was Meleed for effect more then anything I bet it would of been more satisfying then shooting him honestly.

[MaximizedAction]

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

I think Kai Leng was Meleed for effect more then anything I bet it would of been more satisfying then shooting him honestly.

Of course this is the natural way to interpret it. But after discovering (thx to this thread) how many scenes in the game might be percieved as actually symbolic, this scene remains suprisingly unsymbolic -- besides the obvious revenge theme.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I doubt it was symbolic at the time, but likely became so after some programmer looked and said "Hey! Funny coincidence, we keep using the Predator model for these type of scenes, and we keep using the Carnifex model for these. Weird huh?"

 

Yeah, since they were working under the dark matter ending at the time, they probably didn't give Saren different guns as foreshadowing or anything.

Since the Klencory text gives a disturbingly apt description of starbrat's... rape of logic, then it's quite possible that they have indeed been planning it the whole time.

What if the Reapers put the Starkid on the Citadel when they moved it. That would justify him saying that the Citadel is his home and part of him. Maybe he couldn't have gotten there before.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[Ravereth]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dantexr3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Predator.

Completely sure?

Looks like it to me but I can't be sure. If it is it means Saren switches guns over the course of the game, if it wasn't symbolic, why wouldn't he have a consistent weapon?

We can't say that Shepard used CARNIFEX to kill Wrex or that Saren used PREDATOR if we know that these guns don't exist in ME1! 

However... In ME 1 we have only two types of pistol's models one which looks like carnifex and the other one which looks like predator...  
But there are maaany types of these guns(Models are the same but they have different statistics, names and colors) But the closest one to Predator is probably STRIKER (manufactured by ELANUS RISK CONTROL... ERC in ME 2 manufactures 3 types of guns: Tempest, Vindicator and PREDATOR) BUT Striker is black&blue


While the gun used by Saren is Grey&Black and looks more like


"HMWP advenced pistol" manufactured by SPECTRE Gear.

I really wanna belive in significance of pistols changes but... 

BTW How would you interprate Shepard killing VS(equipped with Carnifex) and Udina(equipped with... wait I don't know with what ) with Predator instead of Carnifex?

VS is THE MAIN VILLAIN! :bandit:

Modifié par Ravereth, 17 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Of course this is the natural way to interpret it. But after discovering (thx to this thread) how many scenes in the game might be percieved as actually symbolic, this scene remains suprisingly unsymbolic -- besides the obvious revenge theme.

Well Shep stabs him in the side, so Leng was actually Jesus. Shep was just some random roman.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

I think Kai Leng was Meleed for effect more then anything I bet it would of been more satisfying then shooting him honestly.

It was a bit weird stabbing him as an Adept, but it looked good and I like it.

[MegumiAzusa]

Ravereth wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dantexr3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Predator.

Completely sure?

Looks like it to me but I can't be sure. If it is it means Saren switches guns over the course of the game, if it wasn't symbolic, why wouldn't he have a consistent weapon?

We can't say that Shepard used CARNIFEX to kill Wrex or that Saren used PREDATOR if we know that these guns don't exist in ME1! 

However... In ME 1 we have only two types of pistol's models one which looks like carnifex and the other one which looks like predator...  
But there are maaany types of these guns(Models are the same but they have different statistics, names and colors) But the closest one to Predator is probably STRIKER (manufactured by ELANUS RISK CONTROL... ERC in ME 2 manufactures 3 types of guns: Tempest, Vindicator and PREDATOR) BUT Striker is black&blue


While the gun used by Saren is Grey&Black and looks more like


"HMWP advenced pistol" manufactured by SPECTRE Gear.

I really wanna belive in significance of pistols changes but... 

BTW How would you interprate Shepard killing VS(equipped with Carnifex) and Udina(equipped with... wait I don't know with what ) with Predator instead of Carnifex?

VS is THE MAIN VILLAIN! :bandit:

Spectre weapons in ME1 were just improved versions of other weapons. Also there are only two types of heavy pistols in ME2: Predator and Carnifex, and with a DLC the Phalanx.
As they simplified the weapons system the improved spectre versions were simply cut and each weapon got its final name. So in retrospect both weapons you listed are just different versions of the Predator.

[Rosewind]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

I think Kai Leng was Meleed for effect more then anything I bet it would of been more satisfying then shooting him honestly.

Of course this is the natural way to interpret it. But after discovering (thx to this thread) how many scenes in the game might be percieved as actually symbolic, this scene remains suprisingly unsymbolic -- besides the obvious revenge theme.

Duded I think your starting to see symbolism everywhere lol

[SS2Dante]

Wow. Nearly 70 page discussing the guns Didn't see that coming.

[MaximizedAction]

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

I think Kai Leng was Meleed for effect more then anything I bet it would of been more satisfying then shooting him honestly.

Of course this is the natural way to interpret it. But after discovering (thx to this thread) how many scenes in the game might be percieved as actually symbolic, this scene remains suprisingly unsymbolic -- besides the obvious revenge theme.

Duded I think your starting to see symbolism everywhere lol

Hehe, might be true.
On the other hand, I like unconventional puzzles and ME3 seems like one, so I'm just trying to finish it.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[RavenEyry]

No one has found any new tidbits since the guns. Also, I think the gun is the biggest bit of evidence found after the first couple of weeks. I don't know about any pattern, but I now 100% believe everything post elevator at least is not as it seems due to morphing guns and dream transitions.

[Ravereth]

Do you have any idea how to explain unlimited ammo if IT isn't true?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

DJBare wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

So.....the idea that the ANN twitter and multiplayer events will sync up to the "true" ending kinda intrigues me. My head will explode if they release a London map around EC time, N7 Objective:Find Shepard.

Well, I hope they are keeping is single player only folks in mind while doing something like that.

I doubt they would do something like that though. That's taking the connection between MP and SP a step too far also it would be very difficult to pull of... MP is a horde mode and I don't think that's changing anytime soon... Also, who's Shepard would they find? There's up to 4 players lol with who knows how many Sheps they have in save files each.

Unless they make it a map where all the announcer talks about is buying time for another team to find Shepard.

Sorry to bring up an old topic, but I just woke up!

Basically there would be no "story" in the MP portion, just a blog post from Hackett saying something like "N7 forces converge on London, Shepard is missing, kill 10gajillion banshees to buy recovery forces time." And upon the completion of that event the single player DLC would be released.

I think that's pretty cool.

Edit: And yes, MP characters should have a cameo in SP. If they don't I'm not sure why I take 15min to come up with legit canon names for them.

Maybe there would be more than one Destroyer to be destroyed. Also, remember all those capital ships landing on Earth before Shepard is knocked out.

You know...that could be an epic "final" multiplayer map.

Have all the standard stuff, 10 waves, all that, but with one major difference. A Destroyer is of in background blasting away at the open areas of the MP every once in a while and a battery of Thanix missiles is set up.  as it starts you are told something like.

"This is it people, there is no retreating from this battle. Get in there and protect the missiles until you have a clear shot at the Destroyer, we only get once chance at this!"

And so once you reach the "extraction" point of the mission you instead hear.

"Reaper is turning towards you, get ready to fire the missiles. You only have a narrow window so make it count!"

The narrow window would be the end of the 2 minute timer.

Would be a fun way to make a last battle of Earth map different and underline the situation.

Double awesome if EC then included the sight of a Destroyer beeing killed in the background at some point

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 17 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[Stigweird85]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Let's assume that ME3's choice to use which of the two heavy pistols to chose for cutscenes is consistent throughout the whole game.
Then why wasn't one used for killing Kai Leng, the only main character who we thought to know to be indoctrinated? I know it is faster for Shep to melee him in his surprise attack, but this particular execution seems to be the only one where I miss symbolism for indoctrination or hallucination.
Therefore, I feel there must be more to the scenery in TIM's office that I seem to miss...it just seems so business-as-usual-bossfighty/videogamey.

I think Kai Leng was Meleed for effect more then anything I bet it would of been more satisfying then shooting him honestly.

Of course this is the natural way to interpret it. But after discovering (thx to this thread) how many scenes in the game might be percieved as actually symbolic, this scene remains suprisingly unsymbolic -- besides the obvious revenge theme.

Not everything has to be symbolic, I liked that scene, I actually wished that there was a renegade option to twist the knife or extra pain.

The only way that it may have been better would be if after the battle Kai Ling tries to sneak up on Shepard who then shoots him without even looking at him.

[MaximizedAction]

Ravereth wrote...

Do you have any idea how to explain unlimited ammo if IT isn't true?

For the dramatic thrill, THE DRAMATIC THRILL. À la, default contemporary fps game. Or at least, that was my take on it during the first playthrough.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 mai 2012 - 02:45 .

[MadRabbit999]

Ravereth wrote...

Do you have any idea how to explain unlimited ammo if IT isn't true?

Catalyst: Make your choice

Shepard: Huhh.... sorry, I was a bit of a dick and started shooting everything for the lolz.. have you got a  thermal clip?

Catalyst: Nope

Shepard: Heh.. I guess is old bluey or Greeney then!

Do you really think running out of bullets would have made a lot of sense at the end, IT or not?

It's a gameplay thing, to avoid you running out of bulletts, and then choosing red would make you go "WTF? where did he get the bullets from?"

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 17 mai 2012 - 02:46 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Do you have any idea how to explain unlimited ammo if IT isn't true?

For the dramatic thrill, THE DRAMATIC THRILL. À la, default contemporary fps game. Or at least, that was my take on it during the first playthrough.

Also the Predator (and Avenger if you got the Avenger X and import that Shep) you get from Anderson in the prolog also got unlimited ammo until you killed enough Husks.

[MegumiAzusa]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Do you have any idea how to explain unlimited ammo if IT isn't true?

Catalyst: Make your choice

Shepard: Huhh.... sorry, I was a bit of a dick and started shooting everything for the lolz.. have you got a  thermal clip?

Catalyst: Nope

Shepard: Heh.. I guess is old bluey or Greeney then!

Do you really think running out of bullets would have made a lot of sense at the end, IT or not?

It's a gameplay thing, to avoid you running out of bulletts, and then choosing red would make you go "WTF? where did he get the bullets from?"

Catalyst: Too bad, I only give you the red one but you still have choice... you can always try to punch it.



Uh I just imagined Guru Pathik from Avatar TLA floating around like in Aangs dream but instead of going "Chakras, Chakras" he goes "Choice, Choice"

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 17 mai 2012 - 03:04 .