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[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...



Listen to Vendetta's words well.

"You are attempting to recover me from Indoctrinated forces."

is there a whistling sound?

[FellishBeast]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, do yourselves a favor and read that sound post at the top of the page. I cant be the only one excited about this. Am I not doing a good job of explaining how enormous a find this is?

It's very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if Coates is an undercover agent. I actually expected seeing more of this during ME3 before it was released. I was hoping that it would happen to a closer member of Shepard's team instead of Coates though.

Maybe Vega? *crosses fingers*

[ZerebusPrime]

Regarding the infrasound, I need better charts. I know, they're probably a pain to make, but if you can mark Coates' entrances and exits, as well as provide additional processed audio from before and after these parts so that we can see what the infrasound levels normally look like, it'd be helpful in bolstering the proof's validity.

[TSA_383]

MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT ends up being true, does anyone have a theory on how Bioware will actually resolve the plot? Especially considering EC is cutscene only, it just seems hard to believe.

I'm not an IT-believer. But don't let the sig fool you. My views of the ending have shifted a couple times by now. If someone presents me a strong enough argument, I won't dismiss it if it conflicts with mine.

That's not...quite what they've said

[Makrys]

MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT ends up being true, does anyone have a theory on how Bioware will actually resolve the plot? Especially considering EC is cutscene only, it just seems hard to believe.

I'm not an IT-believer. But don't let the sig fool you. My views of the ending have shifted a couple times by now. If someone presents me a strong enough argument, I won't dismiss it if it conflicts with mine.

The EC will not be cutscene only. Bioware never said it would be, they never denied it having gameplay, and it certainly does not take 3 or more months to produce cinematics. 

I guess I should make a thread on this since I'm constantly having to state it. *sigh* 

Modifié par Makrys, 15 juin 2012 - 01:26 .

[MegaSovereign]

TSA_383 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT ends up being true, does anyone have a theory on how Bioware will actually resolve the plot? Especially considering EC is cutscene only, it just seems hard to believe.

I'm not an IT-believer. But don't let the sig fool you. My views of the ending have shifted a couple times by now. If someone presents me a strong enough argument, I won't dismiss it if it conflicts with mine.

That's not...quite what they've said

Are you sure? I remember the official Extended Cut info thread saying it's not new gamplay, just cinematics/epilogues

[Arian Dynas]

MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT ends up being true, does anyone have a theory on how Bioware will actually resolve the plot? Especially considering EC is cutscene only, it just seems hard to believe.

I'm not an IT-believer. But don't let the sig fool you. My views of the ending have shifted a couple times by now. If someone presents me a strong enough argument, I won't dismiss it if it conflicts with mine.

Well for one, the EC is NOT just a bunch of cutscenes, Bioware has denied this. There is more than cutscenes.

And for two, well, check my sig for ONE example of how it can be done, even if it were just cutscenes.

[paxxton]

FellishBeast wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, do yourselves a favor and read that sound post at the top of the page. I cant be the only one excited about this. Am I not doing a good job of explaining how enormous a find this is?

It's very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if Coates is an undercover agent. I actually expected seeing more of this during ME3 before it was released. I was hoping that it would happen to a closer member of Shepard's team instead of Coates though.

Maybe Vega? *crosses fingers*

Nah. Steroids shield his brain.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juin 2012 - 01:32 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, do yourselves a favor and read that sound post at the top of the page. I cant be the only one excited about this. Am I not doing a good job of explaining how enormous a find this is?

So you are sying that the sound artists decided to "shift" the infrasonic spectrum into a higher frequency because leaving it where it normally is would waste sound card resources on sounds that no average speaker can output. Basically, in the game 30Hz is considered infrasonic. Am I correct?

Yes. Since the vast majority of sound systems wont even reproduce true infrasound since it is mostly inaudible, I'm postulating that they added the 30hz hum to call attention to it. 

[Makrys]

MegaSovereign wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT ends up being true, does anyone have a theory on how Bioware will actually resolve the plot? Especially considering EC is cutscene only, it just seems hard to believe.

I'm not an IT-believer. But don't let the sig fool you. My views of the ending have shifted a couple times by now. If someone presents me a strong enough argument, I won't dismiss it if it conflicts with mine.

That's not...quite what they've said

Are you sure? I remember the official Extended Cut info thread saying it's not new gamplay, just cinematics/epilogues

The Press Release says nothing about gameplay.

[EpyonX3]

FellishBeast wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, do yourselves a favor and read that sound post at the top of the page. I cant be the only one excited about this. Am I not doing a good job of explaining how enormous a find this is?

It's very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if Coates is an undercover agent. I actually expected seeing more of this during ME3 before it was released. I was hoping that it would happen to a closer member of Shepard's team instead of Coates though.

Maybe Vega? *crosses fingers*

Well he did very little to sabotage any of the missions including London.

[Ytook]

Also I've been thinking about the 'unlocking' of synthesis, it's a common argument against IT that goes, 'why would you have to work to unlock something the reapers want?' but if anything the fact that you have to unlock it has always bothered me, and I think it actually works for IT by further unbalancing decisions usually balanced.

As I said in my previous post (and has been discussed a lot before me) synthesis is made out to be the ultimate best option by the game, everything is working to make it appealing even at a psychological level, and even in the terms of how we expect a game to work, making it an unlock only works to make it more appealing, to sucker you further in.

Something that is harder to earn is naturally more apealing when it is earned, a system drilled into gamers heads inparticular (ever used loot in a game because it's harder to get even if it's technically worse? I know I have), all this works to further imbalance the final choice in favour of synthesis. Not only does the room and the Catalyst make synthesis seem gooy and squishy and fragrant and wonderful and positively chocolatey (I'm kind of surprised there aren't dancing unicorns in the synthesis beam the game is so weighted towards it) but the mechanics of it being earned only add to it's appeal.

If you don't earn it the Catalyst berates you, insults you, the path going strait ahead to the gorgeous beam of lovely peaceful light literally doesn't appear, the game is pointing you towards it but you can't reach it, you can't have it, you failed. All this making accepting the reapers philosophies all the more appealing.

I know a lot of people think that control is the 'worse' way to give in to indoctrination but I actually think synthesis is by far in a way the worse option in regards to IT. Synthesis is inaction, 'All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing' and that's what synthesis is, it's accepting their philosophy and lying down, Shepard just jumps and falls, nothing more. In control s/he at least is attempting something, even if ultimately doomed. Saren, synthesis' poster boy, is in direct league with the reapers, he may believe he's doing it to achieve a small victory in the face of inevitable defeat but he was still their willing ally. TIM at least believed he was fighting them, even if he was being subtly manipulated into helping the reapers he at least believed he was playing Stalin to their Hitler.

(And before anybody accuses me of trying to slightly justify picking control under, I actually picked synthesis on my one and only playthrough, I was drawb in by the bright lights, promises of peace and sense of 'achievement' from unlocking it )

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...



Listen to Vendetta's words well.

"You are attempting to recover me from Indoctrinated forces."

is there a whistling sound?

Que?

[HellishFiend]

Anyone have a link handy to the Coats theory for FellishBeast?

[MegaSovereign]

Alright I read the official Extended Cut FAQ.

It doesn't say no new gameplay, but it implies that it's going to mainly be extended cinematics.

If Bioware was planning IT all along, then why does the Extended Cut announcement reads like a reaction to the fan flip-out. They even say "we are re-prioritizing Mass Effect 3's DLC schedule." That doesn't sound planned at all.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, do yourselves a favor and read that sound post at the top of the page. I cant be the only one excited about this. Am I not doing a good job of explaining how enormous a find this is?

So you are sying that the sound artists decided to "shift" the infrasonic spectrum into a higher frequency because leaving it where it normally is would waste sound card resources on sounds that no average speaker can output. Basically, in the game 30Hz is considered infrasonic. Am I correct?

Yes. Since the vast majority of sound systems wont even reproduce true infrasound since it is mostly inaudible, I'm postulating that they added the 30hz hum to call attention to it. 

But I remember someone found real infrasonic sounds using a pro speaker system.

[ZerebusPrime]

Started playing ME3 again.

Once I gained control of Shepard, I kept my eyes trained on the building with the locked door. The kid basically appears out of nowhere, essentially spawning on the roof once you get close enough. I can forgive this as standard videogame fare, but there doesn't seem to be any way for that child to have gotten from the garden he was playing in to that veranda in under half an hour and without the use of elevators. Not that he has any business being in a "CORE ENGINEERING" building, either.

Also, looking down onto the streets below from said veranda reveals countless animations of people running. They are all identical (again, standard videogame fare), except they sort of resemble the child. Or husks. It's hard to tell from this distance without a sniper scope.

The warning sign next to the duct reads WARNING and Stop Code 89. The rest is gibberish. I don't know if Stop Code 89 has any significance. I'm too busy casting Incinerate into the duct over and over again to look it up.  EDIT: The Stop Code 89 Thread.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 15 juin 2012 - 01:39 .

[TSA_383]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Regarding the infrasound, I need better charts. I know, they're probably a pain to make, but if you can mark Coates' entrances and exits, as well as provide additional processed audio from before and after these parts so that we can see what the infrasound levels normally look like, it'd be helpful in bolstering the proof's validity.

I'll have a go, but it is a royal pain in the arse to do properly

In the meanwhile however, you know what else in the london level produces a 30Hz hum? Harbinger.



Oh the speculations 

[FFZero]

TSA_383 wrote...

FFZero wrote...
*snip*

Very interesting stuff TSA!

Btw correct me if I’m wrong, but infrasound is anything lower in frequency than 20 Hz right? If so I may have found some evidence of infrasound being used in the dream sequences.

Technically yes, but ass Hellish was saying, once you get to sub-20:
a- nobody's going to be able to hear it.
b- 95% of sound systems gamers play on won't produce it.

26-31Hz is right in the range on the edge of human hearing, if you want some idea of just how low that is there's an awesome plugin here:

http://www.digital-r...st_st_help.html

Sub bass down at this level is very rarely used in music, when it is it's generally used as much for the feeling as for the sound. A steadyish tone at around this level won't be distracting, but gives a certain presence to the other sounds (in this case dialogue) in the scene.

And yeah, the dream sequences seem another logical place to look - basically the only tools you need to do this are:

-Audacity (free, on sourceforge)
-Avidemux (free, on sourceforge)

Then you need a video of the dream sequence, and you can rip the audio and do hanning windows on it like I've done I'll post up a tutorial if anyone fancies doing it.

Well I'm on a PC so I've been able to extract the in game sounds files and according to audacity ALL of the weird sounds used in the dreams have infrasound. Here’s a few of them.

Modifié par FFZero, 15 juin 2012 - 01:38 .

[EpyonX3]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Alright I read the official Extended Cut FAQ.

It doesn't say no new gameplay, but it implies that it's going to mainly be extended cinematics.

If Bioware was planning IT all along, then why does the Extended Cut announcement reads like a reaction to the fan flip-out. They even say "we are re-prioritizing Mass Effect 3's DLC schedule." That doesn't sound planned at all.

I'm not speaking for the theorists but I believe the general consensus is that we were supposed to get it and move on.

IT was planned. EC explaining IT wasn't.

I don't believe either but it's still possible.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...



Listen to Vendetta's words well.

"You are attempting to recover me from Indoctrinated forces."

is there a whistling sound?

Que?

Whistling sound while he speaks. I think I heard that.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...


In the meanwhile however, you know what else in the london level produces a 30Hz hum? Harbinger.



Oh the speculations 

Somehow that doesnt surprise me. 

[Big Bad]

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, do yourselves a favor and read that sound post at the top of the page. I cant be the only one excited about this. Am I not doing a good job of explaining how enormous a find this is?

I am skeptical, but intrigued.  Moar data please! 

[MegaSovereign]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Alright I read the official Extended Cut FAQ.

It doesn't say no new gameplay, but it implies that it's going to mainly be extended cinematics.

If Bioware was planning IT all along, then why does the Extended Cut announcement reads like a reaction to the fan flip-out. They even say "we are re-prioritizing Mass Effect 3's DLC schedule." That doesn't sound planned at all.

I'm not speaking for the theorists but I believe the general consensus is that we were supposed to get it and move on.

IT was planned. EC explaining IT wasn't.

I don't believe either but it's still possible.

So...They originally planned to leave it like this? Mass Effect 3 ending without an ending?

I'm sorry but even if Bioware did roll with IT, there is NO WAY that this was how they planned it.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...



Listen to Vendetta's words well.

"You are attempting to recover me from Indoctrinated forces."

is there a whistling sound?

Que?

Whistling sound while he speaks. I think I heard that.

No I meant listen to what he actually says. There's still no indication that Shepard is or is under the process of indoctrination from Vendetta.