Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
#19401
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:11
#19402
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:13
HellishFiend wrote...
Destructorlio wrote...
Uhm, a friend of mine just said that IT has been 'nixed', and pointed me to this article as evidence:
http://www.forbes.co...ing-complaints/
and the fnial line:BioWare has announced the Summer release of free DLC to expand on elements of the ending – although it is not apparently planning to go for the narrative Hail Mary of the last map having been a hallucination or dream. Without a total disavowal, no amount of free DLC will be enough for some, but most are waiting to see if their complaints and comments will be addressed.
I don't know how the author of the article comes to this conclusion, was there something in the ruling that addressed IT? Have we discussed this yet?
Just people drawing the wrong conclusion about BW's carefully worded press statements and Q&A. I'm surprised someone that writes for Forbes would make that mistake, though.
Me too- they were the first mass-media site to alert me to the theory at all- different author, though.
#19403
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:13
On a side note...does anyone else favor the "feel" of percussion from a firework show almost more than the pretty lights? I don't know why, but if I can't "feel the boom" I don't really care if I watch...
Back on topic, to all that discovered the infrasound stuff, I applaud you.
To the others (Ytook, Hellishfiend, Arian, et al) great reads on the choices!
And now after barely catching up, I am off to bed!
#19404
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:15
D.Sharrah wrote...
All hail the audiophiles!
On a side note...does anyone else favor the "feel" of percussion from a firework show almost more than the pretty lights? I don't know why, but if I can't "feel the boom" I don't really care if I watch...
Back on topic, to all that discovered the infrasound stuff, I applaud you.
To the others (Ytook, Hellishfiend, Arian, et al) great reads on the choices!
And now after barely catching up, I am off to bed!
Many thanks. :happy:
#19405
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:18
D.Sharrah wrote...
All hail the audiophiles!
On a side note...does anyone else favor the "feel" of percussion from a firework show almost more than the pretty lights? I don't know why, but if I can't "feel the boom" I don't really care if I watch...
Back on topic, to all that discovered the infrasound stuff, I applaud you.
To the others (Ytook, Hellishfiend, Arian, et al) great reads on the choices!
And now after barely catching up, I am off to bed!
See ya. To me it's almost impossible to catch up with the amount of posts that come up all the time. (personally the boom of fireworks are the best part)
#19406
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:19
I'd look for the posts myself but this thread is so damn big that it'd be impossible for me to find.
#19407
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:19
D.Sharrah wrote...
All hail the audiophiles!
On a side note...does anyone else favor the "feel" of percussion from a firework show almost more than the pretty lights? I don't know why, but if I can't "feel the boom" I don't really care if I watch...
Back on topic, to all that discovered the infrasound stuff, I applaud you.
To the others (Ytook, Hellishfiend, Arian, et al) great reads on the choices!
And now after barely catching up, I am off to bed!
Thanks a bunch
Edit: Have to admit I despise fireworks, I've been terrified of them from an early age.
Modifié par Ytook, 15 juin 2012 - 03:21 .
#19408
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:21
MegaSovereign wrote...
Can someone explain the Coates theory.
I'd look for the posts myself but this thread is so damn big that it'd be impossible for me to find.
Coates theory is on reddit somewhere, I think. I'll look for it again.
In the meantime, a one sentence summary is that basically someone found a lot of circumstantial evidence to support the idea that Coates is actually indoctrinated/working for the reapers.
I believe that the infrasound discovery is the first tangible evidence uncovered to support it.
#19409
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:23
#19410
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:25
HellishFiend wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Can someone explain the Coates theory.
I'd look for the posts myself but this thread is so damn big that it'd be impossible for me to find.
Coates theory is on reddit somewhere, I think. I'll look for it again.
In the meantime, a one sentence summary is that basically someone found a lot of circumstantial evidence to support the idea that Coates is actually indoctrinated/working for the reapers.
I believe that the infrasound discovery is the first tangible evidence uncovered to support it.
Here's the link to the Coats theory. http://www.reddit.co...t_breakthrough/ When I first read it, I thought it was interesting but I wasn't sure if it was accurate. With the infrasound evidence though...
Edit: Gah!
Modifié par Dwailing, 15 juin 2012 - 03:26 .
#19411
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:25
#19412
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:28
Dwailing wrote...
Edit: Gah!'d by Hellish! (That's the first time I've been ninja'd, BTW.)
Is it just me, or does ":ph34r:'d by Hellish! " have an awesome ring to it?
Do you hear that ring? Is that just me?
Modifié par HellishFiend, 15 juin 2012 - 03:28 .
#19413
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:28
#19414
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:29
ZerebusPrime wrote...
It just hit me. Coates is the only soldier other than Shepard to brave the hail of Harbinger-fire and survive (possible exception of Anderson).
We never truly see Coates (or Anderson for that matter) take part in the charge. We only see a bunch of redshirt alliance troops faceplanting into Harby's attacks.
#19415
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:31
#19416
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:32
HellishFiend wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
It just hit me. Coates is the only soldier other than Shepard to brave the hail of Harbinger-fire and survive (possible exception of Anderson).
We never truly see Coates (or Anderson for that matter) take part in the charge. We only see a bunch of redshirt alliance troops faceplanting into Harby's attacks.
I'm still convinced Sarge planned that charge.
#19417
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:32
byne wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
It just hit me. Coates is the only soldier other than Shepard to brave the hail of Harbinger-fire and survive (possible exception of Anderson).
We never truly see Coates (or Anderson for that matter) take part in the charge. We only see a bunch of redshirt alliance troops faceplanting into Harby's attacks.
I'm still convinced Sarge planned that charge.
Do we know if Shepard is a fan of RvB? It's quite possible that scene influenced his hallucination.
#19418
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:34
Not to tent quote, but here we go.HellishFiend wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
All threads are shat on in this forum, for the most part, unless they are hate threads. Hating things is what the cool kids do, didnt you know? No need to feel bad about it.
I've never considered that the Shroud might have symbolic meaning, because it's been around for so long. It predates Humanity's discovery of the Mass Relays and the start of the Reaper story arc by a long shot. The Salarians also have no obvious connection to the Protheans. So I cant really come up with any symbolic possibilities. Anyone else want to try tackling this one?
Yeah, I agree. But it hit me pretty hard when I saw it for some reason. A giant beacon even with waves shooting out of it like a signal. I don't think it means anything but it seems so bloody symbolic I can't let it go Xd
You might very well be right about that. But as much as I love symbolism, I cant figure out what it might symbolize....
There is one connection. The Salarians inherited the threat of the rachni, thanks to the Protheans intervening in the rachni and breeding them for war . And of course the Salarians respond to the rachni wars by uplifting the Krogan, the Shroud was a show of good will(and salarian technology or however it was explained) if you remember. They use the Krogan to end the rachni war, the Krogan later start the Krogan Rebellions and it ends with the genophage.
So the Salarians with the Krogan parallel the Protheans with the Rachni to the extent that both the Krogan and Rachni were used as a means to an end and struck down when they revolted. And I guess this fits with Vendetta saying at Thessia that there are similar patterns in each cycle, but that sounds like bollocks to me. To me, the krogan are really a result of this cycle inheriting the mistakes of the Protheans. In fact, I wonder if something similar could be said about the asari.. <_<
But yeah, that's all I have.
#19419
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:34
HellishFiend wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
It just hit me. Coates is the only soldier other than Shepard to brave the hail of Harbinger-fire and survive (possible exception of Anderson).
We never truly see Coates (or Anderson for that matter) take part in the charge. We only see a bunch of redshirt alliance troops faceplanting into Harby's attacks.
I agree with Byne that that scene reminds me SO much of this: Another reason I want IT to be true, it saves Anderson from using Sarge tactics.
Edit: Gah!
Modifié par Dwailing, 15 juin 2012 - 03:36 .
#19420
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:35
Dwailing wrote...
I agree with Byne that that scene reminds me SO much of this: Another reason I want IT to be true, it saves Anderson from using Sarge tactics.
Dont look up, Dwailing....
#19421
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:35
HellishFiend wrote...
Makrys wrote...
http://social.biowar...2383/2#12583078
Dont lose your cool...
You know me well enough, Hellish. I can only take so much stupid before I lose my lid.
Now I have to find it again...
#19422
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:36
HellishFiend wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
I agree with Byne that that scene reminds me SO much of this: Another reason I want IT to be true, it saves Anderson from using Sarge tactics.
Dont look up, Dwailing....
Too late.
#19423
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:37
deltacypresss wrote...
Taco Del Marr wrote...
Just thought I would post my support for the theory, oddly enough i have been keeping up on the thread since i beat the game in April but the forums didn't allow me to post till just now which was odd.
I also wish I had some point to bring up but I can't come up with anything that hasn't already been discussed.
im kinda in the same boat as you. been following this thread since nearly its inception, but havn't posted till this week.
What ending did you initially pick? My curiosity got the better of me and i read all about the endings and It theory before i beat the game. I wonder if i would have saw through Starbinger's little ruse.
Edit: random question. anyone here every watch the anime Evangelion? i have a feeling some of you might like it.
I picked destroy during my playthrough, I didn't know exactly what was going on other than that it was strange, and a few months back when the demo was released I played it with my friend and we believed the boy never existed so when starbinger showed up I wasn't accepting of its crap logic. I won't lie though i had to mull it over in the game for a
#19424
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:37
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Not to tent quote, but here we go.
There is one connection. The Salarians inherited the threat of the rachni, thanks to the Protheans intervening in the rachni and breeding them for war . And of course the Salarians respond to the rachni wars by uplifting the Krogan, the Shroud was a show of good will(and salarian technology or however it was explained) if you remember. They use the Krogan to end the rachni war, the Krogan later start the Krogan Rebellions and it ends with the genophage.
So the Salarians with the Krogan parallel the Protheans with the Rachni to the extent that both the Krogan and Rachni were used as a means to an end and struck down when they revolted. And I guess this fits with Vendetta saying at Thessia that there are similar patterns in each cycle, but that sounds like bollocks to me. To me, the krogan are really a result of this cycle inheriting the mistakes of the Protheans. In fact, I wonder if something similar could be said about the asari.. <_<
But yeah, that's all I have.
I can see the connection you're making. Could be intentional, maybe not. After all, there are only so many ways to design a cloud spewing tower...
#19425
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:38
HellishFiend wrote...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Not to tent quote, but here we go.
There is one connection. The Salarians inherited the threat of the rachni, thanks to the Protheans intervening in the rachni and breeding them for war . And of course the Salarians respond to the rachni wars by uplifting the Krogan, the Shroud was a show of good will(and salarian technology or however it was explained) if you remember. They use the Krogan to end the rachni war, the Krogan later start the Krogan Rebellions and it ends with the genophage.
So the Salarians with the Krogan parallel the Protheans with the Rachni to the extent that both the Krogan and Rachni were used as a means to an end and struck down when they revolted. And I guess this fits with Vendetta saying at Thessia that there are similar patterns in each cycle, but that sounds like bollocks to me. To me, the krogan are really a result of this cycle inheriting the mistakes of the Protheans. In fact, I wonder if something similar could be said about the asari.. <_<
But yeah, that's all I have.
I can see the connection you're making. Could be intentional, maybe not. After all, there are only so many ways to design a cloud spewing tower...
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