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[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ah so you are a Marxist, well then how do you feel about toothbrush moustaches and floppy shoes?

Groucho>Chaplin. Just saying.

And do me a favor and never call me a Marxist again. *facepalm*

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ah so you are a Marxist, well then how do you feel about toothbrush moustaches and floppy shoes?

Groucho>Chaplin. Just saying.

And do me a favor and never call me a Marxist again. *facepalm*

Ok ok, whiner.  ( oh and agreement btw)

Then what are your thoughts on Mel Brooks "The Producers" "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" and really anything featuring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder?

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 15 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Arian Dynas wrote...

"A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum"

Erotic Pottery

[Arian Dynas]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

"A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum"

Erotic Pottery

By the way, where did you get the fruitbowl of the large freize of the...

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 15 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Ok ok, whiner.  ( oh and agreement btw)

Then what are your thoughts on Mel Brooks "The Producers" "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" and really anything featuring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder?

The Producers is one of the few Mel Brooks movies I haven't seen yet. I've never watched Forum either.

As far as Mostel and Wilder, both come off as intense actors- and sometimes funny as crap. Wilder, though, can also come off as rather creepy... I blame Willy Wonka.

[deltacypresss]

so i just watched the conversation with Sovereign the first time. few things to note.

when he calls himself sovereign, i don't think he means it as a name. same with Harbinger. I AM Sovereign, I AM the Harbinger. More than just names, possibly the embodiment's of those very ideas.

The way he describes himself. beyond just the "i am a nation" but that they are on a different level of existence (according to them anyway) gives credence towards the possibility of a hive mind, or maybe a single mind born from millions of individuals from the race they were created from.

or maybe, he is just stroking his reaper epeen and trying to make the lesser races revere him with superstitious awe.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Ok ok, whiner.  ( oh and agreement btw)

Then what are your thoughts on Mel Brooks "The Producers" "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" and really anything featuring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder?

The Producers is one of the few Mel Brooks movies I haven't seen yet. I've never watched Forum either.

As far as Mostel and Wilder, both come off as intense actors- and sometimes funny as crap. Wilder, though, can also come off as rather creepy... I blame Willy Wonka.

That's half the fun of Gene Wilder!

And watch both.

Oh and if you watch the remake of Producers with Matthew Broderick and tell me you like it, I'll shoot you. In the face. With a derringer. With hollow tipped bullets. Made of lead. Without jacketing.

[deltacypresss]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Ok ok, whiner.  ( oh and agreement btw)

Then what are your thoughts on Mel Brooks "The Producers" "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" and really anything featuring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder?

The Producers is one of the few Mel Brooks movies I haven't seen yet. I've never watched Forum either.

As far as Mostel and Wilder, both come off as intense actors- and sometimes funny as crap. Wilder, though, can also come off as rather creepy... I blame Willy Wonka.

Blame willy Wonka. his entrance where he falls down. thats how he actually introduced himself to those kids. on set, with cameras rolling. he thought it would make the kids more comfortable around him. wait... i think that just proves that Wilder is a creep...

however, Young Frankenstein and Blazing Sadles are awesome, awesome movies. 

[Arian Dynas]

deltacypresss wrote...

so i just watched the conversation with Sovereign the first time. few things to note.

when he calls himself sovereign, i don't think he means it as a name. same with Harbinger. I AM Sovereign, I AM the Harbinger. More than just names, possibly the embodiment's of those very ideas.

The way he describes himself. beyond just the "i am a nation" but that they are on a different level of existence (according to them anyway) gives credence towards the possibility of a hive mind, or maybe a single mind born from millions of individuals from the race they were created from.

or maybe, he is just stroking his reaper epeen and trying to make the lesser races revere him with superstitious awe.

They're titles.

The Harbinger.

The Vanguard (Sovereign was a title given by Saren, if anything, he would be the "Vanguard of our Destruction.")

And yes, I am strongly of the opinion they are a gestalt mind, "we are each a nation, INDEPENDENT, free of all weakness."

Check my sig for more details on my feelings of the subject.

[Emperor_Ike]

Tangent! Random thought processes! Sleep needed!

If the Reapers' goal is to preserve biological life (albeit in Reaper form, and by slaughtering it wholesale first) why would Sovereign recruit Geth instead of saying to himself, 'well crud, what if they wipe out who we need to preserve before we can really get the process going!?' and then blowing them away?

Incongruence I say!

[Auralius Carolus]

deltacypresss wrote...

so i just watched the conversation with Sovereign the first time. few things to note.

when he calls himself sovereign, i don't think he means it as a name. same with Harbinger. I AM Sovereign, I AM the Harbinger. More than just names, possibly the embodiment's of those very ideas.

The way he describes himself. beyond just the "i am a nation" but that they are on a different level of existence (according to them anyway) gives credence towards the possibility of a hive mind, or maybe a single mind born from millions of individuals from the race they were created from.

or maybe, he is just stroking his reaper epeen and trying to make the lesser races revere him with superstitious awe.

I personally suspect "Sovereign" as being a reference to Hobbes's Leviathan: The figure known as The Sovereign controls the nation or "Leviathan". The Sovereign is but one man, (or a council), but is imbued with the wills, rights and authority of ever being within the Leviathan. He, therefore, transcends the notion of both singularity or plurality, but something new and extremely powerful. The Reapers would be the literal embodiment of this perspective.

[Emperor_Ike]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

I personally suspect "Sovereign" as being a reference to Hobbes's Leviathan: The figure known as The Sovereign controls the nation or "Leviathan". The Sovereign is but one man, (or a council), but is imbued with the wills, rights and authority of ever being within the Leviathan. He, therefore, transcends the notion of both singularity or plurality, but something new and extremely powerful. The Reapers would be the literal embodiment of this perspective.

http://masseffect.wi...eviathan_of_Dis

Kinky.

[Rosewind]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Ok ok, whiner.  ( oh and agreement btw)

Then what are your thoughts on Mel Brooks "The Producers" "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" and really anything featuring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder?

The Producers is one of the few Mel Brooks movies I haven't seen yet. I've never watched Forum either.

As far as Mostel and Wilder, both come off as intense actors- and sometimes funny as crap. Wilder, though, can also come off as rather creepy... I blame Willy Wonka.

Okay I thought I was the only one who thinks gene wilder is creepy sometimes lol.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

so i just watched the conversation with Sovereign the first time. few things to note.

when he calls himself sovereign, i don't think he means it as a name. same with Harbinger. I AM Sovereign, I AM the Harbinger. More than just names, possibly the embodiment's of those very ideas.

The way he describes himself. beyond just the "i am a nation" but that they are on a different level of existence (according to them anyway) gives credence towards the possibility of a hive mind, or maybe a single mind born from millions of individuals from the race they were created from.

or maybe, he is just stroking his reaper epeen and trying to make the lesser races revere him with superstitious awe.

I personally suspect "Sovereign" as being a reference to Hobbes's Leviathan: The figure known as The Sovereign controls the nation or "Leviathan". The Sovereign is but one man, (or a council), but is imbued with the wills, rights and authority of ever being within the Leviathan. He, therefore, transcends the notion of both singularity or plurality, but something new and extremely powerful. The Reapers would be the literal embodiment of this perspective.

I never thought of that. And considering Shepard references and even quotes Hobbes at least once, we know someone in Bioware is a Hobbesian.

[Arian Dynas]

[quote]Emperor_Ike wrote...

Tangent! Random thought processes! Sleep needed!

If the Reapers' goal is to preserve biological life (albeit in Reaper form, and by slaughtering it wholesale first) why would Sovereign recruit Geth instead of saying to himself, 'well crud, what if they wipe out who we need to preserve before we can really get the process going!?' and then blowing them away?

Incongruence I say![/quote]

Hence why my own theory remains;

[quote]
It seems I need to drag out my own theory on the Reapers again, for the benefit of this thread, and for great justice.

Here is their beginning, in my humble opinion;

Millions of years ago, the evil alien lord Xenu..

Wait, wrong one. *pulls out the disc and snaps it in half* damn Scientologists...

Sorry about that;

Millions of years ago, when the Milky Way was still young, a species of carnivores arose to sentience, they were intelligent, murderously so, being far more canny than they prey they hunted.

As they evolved, they developed a natural talent for both science, and war. They conquered their own planet, setting out into the Milky Way in their newly made ships, bristling with horrifying technology.

Planet after planet fell to them, as their empire grew, they mastered yet more wicked sciences, learning how to manipulate the minds of their enemies, how to render down one thing they had in surplus, bodies, into useable building material, they mastered use of the Mass Effect, discovered quantum shielding, and created the first Mass Relays to facillitate speedy travel from one end of their empire to another.

Soon they drew the attention of another, equally powerful foe, a species of insectoid aliens, known for their impressive technical skills, and their abilty as engineers, holding one of the most powerful navies in the galaxy.

The two species clashed with one another, horrifying weapons of war being designed and stolen by each, kinetic accelerator cannons finding themselves replaced with heat generating weapons, firing channels of superaccelerated liquid metal, deep cover agents being created from once trusted friends, forces turning on oneanother, fighters running kamikazi runs at light speed into the sides of powerful dreadnoughts and capital ships, a war that left scars on every world they fought, and eventually lost.

This dark race that arose to face their insectiod enemies was eventually pushed back to their homeworld, a dying, slowly withering rock, orbiting a dying star, a star due to finally end it's life in a massive conflagration that will take with it it's stony children, including their homeworld.

Desperation sets in, this violent race, desiring to see the continued existence of their species begins work on a method of saving their future.

Soon they realize all their hopes are for naught, there is no possible way for them to save themselves, they simply do not have the means to transport sufficient numbers of their population offworld, to survive the vengeance of their enemies.

Then, one brilliant mind comes upon a soloution. Space and resources preclude the body from traveling, but nothing at all precludes the mind from doing so.

Their hope rekindled, they begin work upon the refit of the greatest of their flagships, turning it into the mightiest ship ever seen, a monster nearly three kilometers in length, a suitable chariot for their species' collective intellect.

They incorporate their mightiest weapons, their most efficient and powerful kinetic barriers and engines, even developing an entirely new form of engine, creating areas of mass free space their flagship will "fall into" they pour all their resources into it, and find them insufficient.

They have run out of building materials.

But, not to be stopped, one of their most brilliant military minds comes to two realizations;

One, they won't need their bodies if they are transporting their minds with the ship, hence they can easily render them down for more building materials needed for the mind storage core.

And two, the ship, then if deprived of the crew needed to help provide building materials, will need someone to crew her, and if they should be attacked, or need to take a world to form their new homeworld, they will need groundtroops, an army.

They turn again to their grim technologies, and find the answer already prepared for them, they turn to their mental manipulation equipment, making it more efficient, and developing new, more effective ways to manipulate the body, as well as the mind, for they long ago mastered the technique of forging flesh as easily as metal.

Soon their great work is to be completed, they near the birth of the great ship that shall be the salvation of their race, taking them and their collective minds far from their dying home. The last minds are transferred into the completed ship, with their greatest military mind, whom is also their ruler, being the last to "board".

He joins his mind to the rest, and then something goes horribly wrong. Rather than maintaining a million distinct personalities, minds and psyches, they form into one horrifying gestalt, a single mind formed of many, a mind more horrible than all of their collective cruelties inflicted upon the galaxy, something perfect, and terrible in it's perfection.

A mind that belives itself to be the end of evolution, a single mind now, which has come to the realization that it is the child of an entire great species, a species which sacrificed everything for it's creation, it's perfection. A perfection it must share, this is the greatest achivement that it's species could form, nay that ANY species could possibly achive, the creation of a collective mind so great, so mighty, a mind that is immortal, not subject to the ravages of time, capable of leveling continents and cities with insulting ease, surely something so great MUST be perfection incarnate, surely this is what is must be to be a God, and as we all know, Gods, are perfect, and all others must find a way to achive this perfection, no all others must be MADE to become as perfect as this new being.


It will help all others ascend to it's level, or if they refuse, they will be forced. This new being will bring them perfection, their destiny, it will be a Harbinger of all they will become.

This new Harbinger, as it calls itself, first attacks their old enemies, causing great harm and massive damage before being driven off, nearly destroyed in it's own attempt, leading it to realize, that despite it's perfection, it remains subject to being killed. Therfore, it requires allies. The Harbinger attacks the remains of several of the old empire's enemies, forming new capital ships of the "worthy" enemies, ones as diverse, intellectual, and strong as its own progenitors, while lesser enemies lose their individuality to become Destroyers, and the animals of these broken planets, rather than being left to simply rot and go to waste, are rendered down into becoming the unintelligent Processing Ships and Troop Transports piloted by other, more worthy ships.

Soon, even their greatest enemy, the insectoid species of engineers falls to their might, the first cycle having completed.

When at this point, the Harbinger comes to a realization. It has scoured the galaxy clean of advanced life, it could destroy all organic life now if it wished.

But that would deny future races the chance at perfection attained by it and it's compatriots. It makes a descision, they will allow organic life to thrive for a time, until it achives greatness as it's own species did, before they return and capture it in the apex of it's greatness, storing it in their new form, making way for other species to join their ranks, but they will need a method of control, a way to ensure their victory before the war has already begun, so that their technology might evolve along paths they understand and know, therefore they create the Mass Relay network, and the Citadel, taking their greatest enemy and repurposing them into the "Keepers" of this new Citadel, so that it's secrets may not be found, and as a final insult to the foe whom nearly drove them to extinction. Every cycle they extend their understanding with the great discoveries of the next species to join them, stripping worlds of their technology to study and understand, learning more of the universe, and ensuring they are prepared for yet more technologies designed by these younger races. They choose to leave behind one of the mightiest of their number, the second of their kind, formed by the Harbinger, the one known as Nazara, to be their vanguard in the next cycle, making the case that the second strongest of their number should be the first strike they make.

And thus, the new "Reapers" begin to gather in dark space, waiting for their crop of flesh to arise anew. [/quote]
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Submitted for your approval, oh great and glorious emperor.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh and if you watch the remake of Producers with Matthew Broderick and tell me you like it, I'll shoot you. In the face. With a derringer. With hollow tipped bullets. Made of lead. Without jacketing.

I, for one, prefer 135 gr. Nosler JHPs launched from a Glock M20. Derringers often have horrid triggers, almost non-existant barrels, (bad for bullet expansion), and being single-action and small make for difficult use under stress.

And always use jacketing, if available; they keep lead deposits out of your barrel, provide for better hollow point options, and will at least increase the likelihood of infection, should the trauma and wound channel not do the job; the limited amount of copper generally isn't enough to act in a antimicrobial fashion.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh and if you watch the remake of Producers with Matthew Broderick and tell me you like it, I'll shoot you. In the face. With a derringer. With hollow tipped bullets. Made of lead. Without jacketing.

I, for one, prefer 135 gr. Nosler JHPs launched from a Glock M20. Derringers often have horrid triggers, almost non-existant barrels, (bad for bullet expansion), and being single-action and small make for difficult use under stress.

And always use jacketing, if available; they keep lead deposits out of your barrel, provide for better hollow point options, and will at least increase the likelihood of infection, should the trauma and wound channel not do the job; the limited amount of copper generally isn't enough to act in a antimicrobial fashion.

I intentionally chose something with a great deal of suck.

I wouldn't want the bullet to go out the other side. I want the sucker to break up and stay in there.

If I may borrow from the sheriff, I would cut your heart out with a spoon!

[deltacypresss]

Arian Dynas wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

so i just watched the conversation with Sovereign the first time. few things to note.

when he calls himself sovereign, i don't think he means it as a name. same with Harbinger. I AM Sovereign, I AM the Harbinger. More than just names, possibly the embodiment's of those very ideas.

The way he describes himself. beyond just the "i am a nation" but that they are on a different level of existence (according to them anyway) gives credence towards the possibility of a hive mind, or maybe a single mind born from millions of individuals from the race they were created from.

or maybe, he is just stroking his reaper epeen and trying to make the lesser races revere him with superstitious awe.

They're titles.

The Harbinger.

The Vanguard (Sovereign was a title given by Saren, if anything, he would be the "Vanguard of our Destruction.")

And yes, I am strongly of the opinion they are a gestalt mind, "we are each a nation, INDEPENDENT, free of all weakness."

Check my sig for more details on my feelings of the subject.

I've read it multiple times actually. remember, i've been following this thread since about pg 300 of the original. i should have mentioned you in my post. it is a very good read.


to Ike. thats another thing that i noticed when i was watching the sovereign conversation. no mention of synthetics vs organics. they mention chaos, and being the agents to bring about order from this chaos. same in ME2. hell even ME3. i do believe they only ever mention this chaos as being synthetics in the conversation with Starbinger. Before i was under the impression that WE were the chaos. That our very existance sows chaos throughout the galaxy, synthetics just being one of the many symptoms of our existance. If anything the reapers see organic life as a crime against nature, a crime against the Reapers themselves even.

I also recall that Sovereign was planning on replacing the Keepers with the Geth if im not mistaken. really, the whole literalist ending is a crime against ME1, making the entire first game pointless as Sovereign could have just called up the Citadel saying "Hey Beiber, i need my brothers out in darkspace. get on it."

[HellishFiend]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Tangent! Random thought processes! Sleep needed!

If the Reapers' goal is to preserve biological life (albeit in Reaper form, and by slaughtering it wholesale first) why would Sovereign recruit Geth instead of saying to himself, 'well crud, what if they wipe out who we need to preserve before we can really get the process going!?' and then blowing them away?

Incongruence I say!

The incongruencies seem to be deliberate, in my opinion... It would have been the exact same thing with the "Dark Energy ending", which would have us believe that the intergalactic version of a roving gang of gas guzzling monster trucks are campaigning against the excessive use of space gasoline by giving us barrels of fuel, the plans to build gas-using vehicles, and then killing us for using them. <_<

I'd be shocked if anyone bought that if it came out of Starbingers mouth. I know I would have called BS right away. 

[Arian Dynas]

deltacypresss wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

so i just watched the conversation with Sovereign the first time. few things to note.

when he calls himself sovereign, i don't think he means it as a name. same with Harbinger. I AM Sovereign, I AM the Harbinger. More than just names, possibly the embodiment's of those very ideas.

The way he describes himself. beyond just the "i am a nation" but that they are on a different level of existence (according to them anyway) gives credence towards the possibility of a hive mind, or maybe a single mind born from millions of individuals from the race they were created from.

or maybe, he is just stroking his reaper epeen and trying to make the lesser races revere him with superstitious awe.

They're titles.

The Harbinger.

The Vanguard (Sovereign was a title given by Saren, if anything, he would be the "Vanguard of our Destruction.")

And yes, I am strongly of the opinion they are a gestalt mind, "we are each a nation, INDEPENDENT, free of all weakness."

Check my sig for more details on my feelings of the subject.

I've read it multiple times actually. remember, i've been following this thread since about pg 300 of the original. i should have mentioned you in my post. it is a very good read.


to Ike. thats another thing that i noticed when i was watching the sovereign conversation. no mention of synthetics vs organics. they mention chaos, and being the agents to bring about order from this chaos. same in ME2. hell even ME3. i do believe they only ever mention this chaos as being synthetics in the conversation with Starbinger. Before i was under the impression that WE were the chaos. That our very existance sows chaos throughout the galaxy, synthetics just being one of the many symptoms of our existance. If anything the reapers see organic life as a crime against nature, a crime against the Reapers themselves even.

I also recall that Sovereign was planning on replacing the Keepers with the Geth if im not mistaken. really, the whole literalist ending is a crime against ME1, making the entire first game pointless as Sovereign could have just called up the Citadel saying "Hey Beiber, i need my brothers out in darkspace. get on it."

Page 300? I'm impressed, I've been around since 299, so it seems we are equally ancient in treachery.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I intentionally chose something with a great deal of suck.

I wouldn't want the bullet to go out the other side. I want the sucker to break up and stay in there.

If I may borrow from the sheriff, I would cut your heart out with a spoon!

Which is exactly what a 135gr. Nosler does, when traveling at 1600fps charged with around 760ft-lbs of energy: instantanious expansion and fragmentation, with a jolt powerful enough to result in a fist-sized permanent wound cavity, remote hemorrhaging and shock-induced paralysis. Ah, I love the 10mm Auto.

Oh, and never threaten to do anything to my heart. I've had issues since I saw Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom as a child.

[Arian Dynas]

You represent chaos, we represent order...

[Starbuck8]

deltacypresss wrote...
I also recall that Sovereign was planning on replacing the Keepers with the Geth if im not mistaken. really, the whole literalist ending is a crime against ME1, making the entire first game pointless as Sovereign could have just called up the Citadel saying "Hey Beiber, i need my brothers out in darkspace. get on it."

Exactly.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I intentionally chose something with a great deal of suck.

I wouldn't want the bullet to go out the other side. I want the sucker to break up and stay in there.

If I may borrow from the sheriff, I would cut your heart out with a spoon!

Which is exactly what a 135gr. Nosler does, when traveling at 1600fps charged with around 760ft-lbs of energy: instantanious expansion and fragmentation, with a jolt powerful enough to result in a fist-sized permanent wound cavity, remote hemorrhaging and shock-induced paralysis. Ah, I love the 10mm Auto.

Oh, and never threaten to do anything to my heart. I've had issues since I saw Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom as a child.

That's a definete ouch.

Oh and by the way...

Kali ma! Kali ma! Kali ma shok de dei, Kali ma, shok de dei!