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[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Tangent! Random thought processes! Sleep needed!

If the Reapers' goal is to preserve biological life (albeit in Reaper form, and by slaughtering it wholesale first) why would Sovereign recruit Geth instead of saying to himself, 'well crud, what if they wipe out who we need to preserve before we can really get the process going!?' and then blowing them away?

Incongruence I say!

The incongruencies seem to be deliberate, in my opinion... It would have been the exact same thing with the "Dark Energy ending", which would have us believe that the intergalactic version of a roving gang of gas guzzling monster trucks are campaigning against the excessive use of space gasoline by giving us barrels of fuel, the plans to build gas-using vehicles, and then killing us for using them. <_<

I'd be shocked if anyone bought that if it came out of Starbingers mouth. I know I would have called BS right away. 

Lol! Nice analogy.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Page 300? I'm impressed, I've been around since 299, so it seems we are equally ancient in treachery.

This inspired me to finally track down my first post in the thread, which I did. I clocked in at page 1345 of the original thread. 
http://social.biowar...3/1345#11163099 

HellishFiend wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...


*edit* Just a smaller point as well: if IT is supported, it would force people to reasses their choices, which some of them actually seem content to make right now. Again, some people support Synthesis and Control as they are right now. I personally don't agree with them, but some make valid points as to why their Shep would choose them. IT would basically reframe all of these choices, and the people who originally picked, say, Control and like it as is would then have to ask themselves "Would I like my Shep to become indoctrinated?"

TBH, I don't think anyone, regardless of their current choice, actually wants their Shep to become indoctrinated. I believe that even true Renegade players would want their Shep to retain his or her individuality, not become a Reaper slave. To me, Destroy would still feel a bit forced...but, again, if they could actually come up with a way to make it work for those non-Destroy choosing players, I'd be more supportive of it.

Well if IT turns out to have been Bioware's plan all along (which I believe it is), then it would make sense that they want you to see what happens if you, as the player, bought into the star child's BS. After witnessing the consequences, you can then go back after reevaluating the situation to see what happens if you resist indoctrination. 

If you think about it, this is really the only way to soft-force the consequences of having their Shepard be indoctrinated onto the player, while also giving them the opportunity to overcome it. The only other ways to do it would involve gameplay mechanics (which Bioware said in an interview they tried to do but couldnt pull off) or reputation/decision related choices, which is more of a hard force on the player that doesnt have nearly the same immersion. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 15 juin 2012 - 08:48 .

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Tangent! Random thought processes! Sleep needed!

If the Reapers' goal is to preserve biological life (albeit in Reaper form, and by slaughtering it wholesale first) why would Sovereign recruit Geth instead of saying to himself, 'well crud, what if they wipe out who we need to preserve before we can really get the process going!?' and then blowing them away?

Incongruence I say!

The incongruencies seem to be deliberate, in my opinion... It would have been the exact same thing with the "Dark Energy ending", which would have us believe that the intergalactic version of a roving gang of gas guzzling monster trucks are campaigning against the excessive use of space gasoline by giving us barrels of fuel, the plans to build gas-using vehicles, and then killing us for using them. <_<

I'd be shocked if anyone bought that if it came out of Starbingers mouth. I know I would have called BS right away. 

Lol! Nice analogy.

 Thanks!

[Emperor_Ike]

Yeah, Arian. That'll pretty much do it.

I had flashbacks of the Dune prequels around about the 'sharing perfection' and 'advancing organics into synthetics' bits, which in all ME I've never felt. Some people slammed those books, but I take the enjoy-it-for-what-it-is path. Good stuff.

However, it seems to do away with the synthetic rebellion that apparently must have happened to the Original Race if the current inexplicable ending is to be taken at face-value, and, indeed, the Bad Guy Monologue at the tail end of Her Serene Imperial Highness' homeworld.

Regardless! Good stuff. Thanks for that.

[Arian Dynas]

Yeah. Mine was real old too.

Seems like so long ago, don't it?

[Starbuck8]

Lol I am going back and doing a new playthrough starting with ME1. I did the citadel mission with the AI funneling funds from Flux gambling machines. This made me laugh because he used Starbinger's logic, just in the opposite direction. He also mentions 2 of the ending choices... He says "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life forms."

So starbinger is as smart as an AI created by a thief. Or they were really thinking ahead and doing some foreshadowing (yes, kidding)

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

You represent chaos, we represent order...

I am the chaotic nature you strive to be.....

[Arian Dynas]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Yeah, Arian. That'll pretty much do it.

I had flashbacks of the Dune prequels around about the 'sharing perfection' and 'advancing organics into synthetics' bits, which in all ME I've never felt. Some people slammed those books, but I take the enjoy-it-for-what-it-is path. Good stuff.

However, it seems to do away with the synthetic rebellion that apparently must have happened to the Original Race if the current inexplicable ending is to be taken at face-value, and, indeed, the Bad Guy Monologue at the tail end of Her Serene Imperial Highness' homeworld.

Regardless! Good stuff. Thanks for that.

My pleasure.

And come to think of it, it does feel fairly Dune doesn't it?

And the Prothean Cipher among a few other things kinda reeks of Dune, come to think of it.

And personally I put no stock in the Synthetics Versus Organics thing, I think that is Harbinger lying through his teeth to get you to believe SOMETHING he thinks is reasonable, without giving such an unworthy being as yourself the secrets of their motivations.

[deltacypresss]

well im off to bed. Feels good to finally post in this thread.

[HellishFiend]

deltacypresss wrote...

well im off to bed. Feels good to finally post in this thread.

Good to have you here. Hope to see you around again soon. 

[Emperor_Ike]

Arian Dynas wrote...
My pleasure.

And come to think of it, it does feel fairly Dune doesn't it?

And the Prothean Cipher among a few other things kinda reeks of Dune, come to think of it.

And personally I put no stock in the Synthetics Versus Organics thing, I think that is Harbinger lying through his teeth to get you to believe SOMETHING he thinks is reasonable, without giving such an unworthy being as yourself the secrets of their motivations.

Yes indeed.

You don't go for years saying you're so far beyond comprehension as to be utterly incomprehensible... and then suddenly let slip that it's as simple as genocide for your own protection.

Unless he's tired of underestimating humanity, Shepard especially, but then why not let seeming-hopelessness work its magic and simply keep the same track of 'you don't get it, just lay down and die.' Cause eventually... that wins.

[Arian Dynas]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
My pleasure.

And come to think of it, it does feel fairly Dune doesn't it?

And the Prothean Cipher among a few other things kinda reeks of Dune, come to think of it.

And personally I put no stock in the Synthetics Versus Organics thing, I think that is Harbinger lying through his teeth to get you to believe SOMETHING he thinks is reasonable, without giving such an unworthy being as yourself the secrets of their motivations.

Yes indeed.

You don't go for years saying you're so far beyond comprehension as to be utterly incomprehensible... and then suddenly let slip that it's as simple as genocide for your own protection.

Unless he's tired of underestimating humanity, Shepard especially, but then why not let seeming-hopelessness work its magic and simply keep the same track of 'you don't get it, just lay down and die.' Cause eventually... that wins.

He doesn't want Shepard to give up, and Shepard being who he is, won't give up. Shepard is the perfect candidate for a Reaper guiding intellect.

[Emperor_Ike]

Arian Dynas wrote...

He doesn't want Shepard to give up, and Shepard being who he is, won't give up. Shepard is the perfect candidate for a Reaper guiding intellect.

Shepard giving up is the only way they'd be able to capture him/her/it. So because of their not wanting Shepard to give up, it should be the Reapers who admit defeat and lay down to die. Muahaha.

[Arian Dynas]

And yet his determination is exactly the aspect they want to capture.

[Emperor_Ike]

But they never will!
So which one gets affected by hopelessness first? Whose will is crushed by the indefatigable enemy facing them first? Is it an eternal struggle like that 10-year Civ II game that's been all over the place?

Curse you, Bieber! Why didn't you just answer the Citadel's phone when it rang!

[SauliusL]

Don't know if this was mentioned before, but the image in the background, that everyone is reffering to as the "citadel" might be harbinger knocked down after mental battle with Shepard?



Harbinger:



Previously I did find a better picture of reaper or harbinger, where the patterns looks exactly the same as in the background of Shepard's breath scene, but don't find it anymore. Maybe someone else can find better picture

What do you think?

[Fingertrip]

I've got no idea what makes you think that is a Reaper. You'd imagine a Reaper would be pretty easy to spot.

[Emperor_Ike]

That always struck me as one of the shelves in one of the many offices/storefronts you run through in London, Saul.

Consensus?

[Arian Dynas]

He's saying it looks like one of the patterns of blue light on a Reaper's back, you see them, they're like veins lining the Reaper.

I say *shrug* maybe. Eh.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

SauliusL wrote...

Don't know if this was mentioned before, but the image in the background, that everyone is reffering to as the "citadel" might be harbinger knocked down after mental battle with Shepard?


Harbinger:


Previously I did find a better picture of reaper or harbinger, where the patterns looks exactly the same as in the background of Shepard's breath scene, but don't find it anymore. Maybe someone else can find better picture

What do you think?

I'm not seeing how that's any part of a Reaper, it's too...human looking lets say. Too flat, straight edged, parallel lines, while Reaper tech has defined curves and a smoothness to it as well a purple/blue hue.

After examining that item in great detail many times  I'm no closer to saying definitively what it is within the game architecture and various objects. The best guesses: a shelf from London, or a building in the distance.

[SauliusL]

Fingertrip wrote...

I've got no idea what makes you think that is a Reaper. You'd imagine a Reaper would be pretty easy to spot.

Well it's actually just a tiny part of the reaper/harbinger (it's huge and if it's close to where we have seen him last - by the beam, we would see just a fraction of his arm or another part. But what I mean is that the pattern is exactly the same - same color, lines, shapes etc. Once again - sadly the other picture of a reaper I found is gone, there it's even more obvious it's same material/pattern.
I hope you understand what I mean, as I am not native english speaker

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Hellishfiend

BTW I think I can finally hear that "chime" you were all talking about in the breath scene. Not sure if it's a big ben chime or just more random noise, but it's something.

That whistling sound before Shepards gasp still kinda freaks me out.

[SauliusL]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Don't know if this was mentioned before, but the image in the background, that everyone is reffering to as the "citadel" might be harbinger knocked down after mental battle with Shepard?


Harbinger:


Previously I did find a better picture of reaper or harbinger, where the patterns looks exactly the same as in the background of Shepard's breath scene, but don't find it anymore. Maybe someone else can find better picture

What do you think?

I'm not seeing how that's any part of a Reaper, it's too...human looking lets say. Too flat, straight edged, parallel lines, while Reaper tech has defined curves and a smoothness to it as well a purple/blue hue.

After examining that item in great detail many times  I'm no closer to saying definitively what it is within the game architecture and various objects. The best guesses: a shelf from London, or a building in the distance.

A shelf or a building? With such elegant lines? I don't know
Either way - it's just my speculation, but for me it doesn't look like human tech for sure.

Modifié par SauliusL, 15 juin 2012 - 09:39 .

[Starbuck8]

For you guys who were interested in analyzing the music of ME3, a recent article on the composers: www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/6/12/3063615/mass-effect-dikiciyan-hulik-velasco-bioware

[gunslinger_ruiz]

SauliusL wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Don't know if this was mentioned before, but the image in the background, that everyone is reffering to as the "citadel" might be harbinger knocked down after mental battle with Shepard?


Harbinger:


Previously I did find a better picture of reaper or harbinger, where the patterns looks exactly the same as in the background of Shepard's breath scene, but don't find it anymore. Maybe someone else can find better picture

What do you think?

I'm not seeing how that's any part of a Reaper, it's too...human looking lets say. Too flat, straight edged, parallel lines, while Reaper tech has defined curves and a smoothness to it as well a purple/blue hue.

After examining that item in great detail many times  I'm no closer to saying definitively what it is within the game architecture and various objects. The best guesses: a shelf from London, or a building in the distance.

A shelf or a building? With such elegant lines? I don't know
Either way - it's just my speculation, but for me it doesn't look like human tech for sure.

It could be either or really, or maybe neither.

This is why I think it looks like a shelf though:


But the design doesn't barely match up. Like I said, just a guess.