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[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I never did see the unlimited ammo thing to be good evidence.... however I do wonder why they removed the need to reload- AND to change the reload style to that of a predator, when Shepard was holding a carnifex....

any ideas?

Reloading gave enough time for the husks to take a swipe at you. So they removed it to make it easier.

possibly..... they couldve changed some other factors... but well go with it.

what about point 2? 

[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Again, I'll point out that in the ending files green and blue have files labelled something like "green_end_pt1", "green_end_pt2". This goes up to part 4 for both colours. The red ending, on the other hand, has these parts labelled as "guardianend_pt1" up to part 4. Another difference for the red ending, for no discernible reason, when taken literally.

I see this as a change mid production. The green and blue endings were not part of the original plan. The red ending was the original but they changed the script and couldn't go with the original alternate ending scenes. They also didn't have time to redo two new ones so they replicated them and named them by their color.

Now the red ending was the original ending? We have both the leaked script and the final hours app that say three choices were always on the table. 

[Dwailing]

OK, if you want to keep watching my reports on the end scene, look on the last page 'cause that's what I'm going to keep editing.

[paxxton]

Unschuld wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

I still think Shepard quickly entering "IDDQD" or "IDCLEV londonearth" after destroying the tube are more plausible

EDIT: Did I just show my age?

Yes, yes you did. And the fact that I knew exactly what you were talking about as soon as I saw those letters puts me in the same boat. 

IDCLIP would make for more epic a fall from orbit.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 04:01 .

[balance5050]

llbountyhunter wrote...

I never did see the unlimited ammo thing to be good evidence.... however I do wonder why they removed the need to reload- AND to change the reload style to that of a predator, when Shepard was holding a carnifex....

any ideas?

More evidence that the predator is what he's using in reality, the hallucination made it look like a carnifex me thinks.

Modifié par balance5050, 17 mai 2012 - 04:00 .

[Rosewind]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, if you want to keep watching my reports on the end scene, look on the last page 'cause that's what I'm going to keep editing.

It was like reading a transcript of a news event.

[Dwailing]

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, if you want to keep watching my reports on the end scene, look on the last page 'cause that's what I'm going to keep editing.

It was like reading a transcript of a news event.

Good or bad thing?

[dreamgazer]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, I'm in the Citadel right now for the end part, and I've just been able to confirm both the Keeper that can be walked through and the color drain that occurs by the door. (You guys should know what I mean.) Also, I'm officially convinced that Shepard was knocked out when the vehicle he was in was hit. I just kept thinking on the run down, "This can't be real." (Or some variation on that.)

Edit: Also, I've noticed that some of the bodies (possibly most) on the Citadel look like they're either Ash's body (With no hair and indeterminate features), Kaidan's body (see above), or the default Alliance soldier body.

Double Edit: I also found the 1M1 part on the walk up to the control room (Which does remind me of the walk up to TIM's room).  Also, the electrical discharges do sound kind of like gun fire.
Triple Edit: I'll admit, I'm just reporting on my finding in the end scene at this point (It's fun. )
 I can hear the whispers in the confrontation scene after Anderson
turns around (I assume they're there during the whole scene).

Same thing I noticed during my playthrough!

@triple edit: Oh man, when the musc faded and the whispers started I froze and knew something's not right.

I echo this.  

I can understand some reservation over believing the full intention of the theory, and even some of the frustration towards it, but I don't see how people are perceiving that entire sequence as anything but very intentionally surreal. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 17 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

Edit: Again with the weird shadows.  When Anderson falls over after TIM blows his own brains out, their shadows are pointing in exact opposite directions.

Odd, that would require the light mass to be in the middle of them even though there was no visible light source. I don't see why they would do that without wanting the shadows to look weird. Moving the light mass around in the scene is weird too.

[MegumiAzusa]

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Sur'kesh also has vegetation. And the base on the meteor in Arrival too.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[Unschuld]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Still wondering why they're called dream plants though. Unless it was because the designer considered them "dream plants" for their own personal garden.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Sur'kesh also has vegetation. And the base on the meteor in Arrival too.

And Grissom Academy.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Sur'kesh also has vegetation. And the base on the meteor in Arrival too.

And Grissom Academy.

Sur'kesh and Arrival have similar vegetation and benches.

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Again, I'll point out that in the ending files green and blue have files labelled something like "green_end_pt1", "green_end_pt2". This goes up to part 4 for both colours. The red ending, on the other hand, has these parts labelled as "guardianend_pt1" up to part 4. Another difference for the red ending, for no discernible reason, when taken literally.

I see this as a change mid production. The green and blue endings were not part of the original plan. The red ending was the original but they changed the script and couldn't go with the original alternate ending scenes. They also didn't have time to redo two new ones so they replicated them and named them by their color.

Now the red ending was the original ending? We have both the leaked script and the final hours app that say three choices were always on the table. 

Not exactly. Let me clarify that the other alternate ending were probably planned differently then what we got. But they instead went for the copy paste ending because of time constraints. That would explain the different naming conventions.

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I never did see the unlimited ammo thing to be good evidence.... however I do wonder why they removed the need to reload- AND to change the reload style to that of a predator, when Shepard was holding a carnifex....

any ideas?

Reloading gave enough time for the husks to take a swipe at you. So they removed it to make it easier.

possibly..... they couldve changed some other factors... but well go with it.

what about point 2? 

Point 2 idk, but we've seen this inconsistency in this game before, like bioware changing your assult rifle to the avenger whether you had a different gun or none at all. These weren't during dream sequences either.

[MrRag]

Still the only interpretation that makes sense of the ending.

[dreamgazer]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Are they? I've only played through Eden Prime the once, and I did it totally with story in mind. That's interesting.

I still don't think it's unreasonable to assume Shepard's taking elements he's seen in real life and conjured them into the images, and I do think labeling it "Dream Plant"---even if included elsewhere---is ultimately a way of keeping tabs of what will (re)appear in the final shots. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 17 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Still wondering why they're called dream plants though. Unless it was because the designer considered them "dream plants" for their own personal garden.

lol.

They were probably created initially for the dream sequences but got repurposed. I've yet to spot any jungle like foliage in the dream sequences. Pehaps they were supposed to look more garden like but they changed it up to look more like a dead forest?

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Are they? I've only played through Eden Prime the once, and I did it totally with story in mind. That's interesting.

I still don't think it's unreasonable to assume Shepard's taking elements he's seen in real life and conjured them into the images, and I do think labeling it "Dream Plant"---even if included elsewhere---is ultimately a way of keeping tabs of what will (re)appear in the final shots. 

It seems to me that Shepard is projecting objects onto the real world, therefore all of the game -- probably except of the ending -- did really happen but the ongoing Reaper invasion causes everyone to hallucinate while living their lives.

[MaximizedAction]

MrRag wrote...

Still the only interpretation that makes sense of the ending.

It would be nice if more people saw it that way.

[Legion109]

Nazara-Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand...... (Just gonna leave that here, since Legion clearly forgot about quoting Nazara in ME2. Also if a dead reaper can still affect people when it is little more then a shell wouldn't the reaper code be a lot worse lets face it they are lifetimes ahead of the Geth in terms of technology so I don't see legion being able to adequately alter the code to get only benefits but no weaknesses)(also kind of using this as a shot at the crucible since the last time alien tech that the origin wasn't clearly known certainly didn't proclaim we were advanced enough for synthetic/organic hybrid aliens to come harvest us)

Bottom line is I have no clue what the bottom line is.

[RavenEyry]

Legion109 wrote...

Nazara-Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand...... (Just gonna leave that here, since Legion clearly forgot about quoting Nazara in ME2. Also if a dead reaper can still affect people when it is little more then a shell wouldn't the reaper code be a lot worse lets face it they are lifetimes ahead of the Geth in terms of technology so I don't see legion being able to adequately alter the code to get only benefits but no weaknesses)(also kind of using this as a shot at the crucible since the last time alien tech that the origin wasn't clearly known certainly didn't proclaim we were advanced enough for synthetic/organic hybrid aliens to come harvest us)

Bottom line is I have no clue what the bottom line is.

And apparently they're actually imposing order on the chaos of synthetics, NOT organics. Sovereign was a lot of things, but I don't think he was a liar.

[TSA_383]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Still wondering why they're called dream plants though. Unless it was because the designer considered them "dream plants" for their own personal garden.

lol.

They were probably created initially for the dream sequences but got repurposed. I've yet to spot any jungle like foliage in the dream sequences. Pehaps they were supposed to look more garden like but they changed it up to look more like a dead forest?

Wait for the child to stop, he usually stops in areas surrounded by them.

There's also a texture called "dreamtree" for the bark of the dead trees, which is used post-harbinger but I'm not too sure where else yet.

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well,
I'm in the Citadel right now for the end part, and I've just been able
to confirm both the Keeper that can be walked through and the color
drain that occurs by the door. (You guys should know what I mean.)
Also, I'm officially convinced that Shepard was knocked out when the
vehicle he was in was hit. I just kept thinking on the run down, "This
can't be real." (Or some variation on that.)

Edit: Also, I've
noticed that some of the bodies (possibly most) on the Citadel look like
they're either Ash's body (With no hair and indeterminate features),
Kaidan's body (see above), or the default Alliance soldier body.

Double Edit: I also found the 1M1 part on the walk up to the control room (Which does remind me of the walk up to TIM's room).  Also, the electrical discharges do sound kind of like gun fire.
Triple Edit: I'll admit, I'm just reporting on my finding in the end scene at this point (It's fun. )
 I can hear the whispers in the confrontation scene after Anderson
turns around (I assume they're there during the whole scene).

Same thing I noticed during my playthrough!

@triple edit: Oh man, when the musc faded and the whispers started I froze and knew something's not right.

Out of wanting to talk about something that's not the carnifex/predator, I'm taking apart those whispers (well... attempting to ) and seeing what I can hear.
It's definitely not just random whispering type noise, there are definite syllables in there but it's at least five or six voices playing simultaneously and I can't quite hear what's what.
Also, since I've now finished my exams I'm going to make a Dubstep tune and sample Geth voices into it. For the lulz.

Dwailing wrote...

Well, I'm in the Citadel right now for
the end part, and I've just been able to confirm both the Keeper that
can be walked through and the color drain that occurs by the door. (You
guys should know what I mean.) Also, I'm officially convinced that
Shepard was knocked out when the vehicle he was in was hit. I just kept
thinking on the run down, "This can't be real." (Or some variation on
that.)

Edit: Also, I've noticed that some of the bodies (possibly
most) on the Citadel look like they're either Ash's body (With no hair
and indeterminate features), Kaidan's body (see above), or the default
Alliance soldier body.

Double Edit: I also found the 1M1 part on
the walk up to the control room (Which does remind me of the walk up to
TIM's room).  Also, the electrical discharges do sound kind of like gun
fire.

Triple Edit: I'll admit, I'm just reporting on my finding in the end scene at this point (It's fun. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie])
 I can hear the whispers in the confrontation scene after Anderson
turns around (I assume they're there during the whole scene).

Quadruple
Edit: I see the shadows around the edges.  Also, Anderson definitely
looks at the camera when he says, "They're controling you."

So many Edits I'm going to stop naming them [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]:
I saw that strange business with the differing shadows of Anderson and
TIM (They actually cut the camera in such a way that you could plainly
see it.)  Also, Anderson lifted his arm in the exact same way as Shepard
after he was forced to raise his arm and point his gun at Anderson.  (I
know most of us know these things already, but I figure it can't hurt
to repost them while they're fresh in my mind.  I'm reporting this as I
go through the scene.)

Edit: Anderson also looked at the camera
when he said, "You're indoctrinated." (Or the camera looked him square
in the face even if he didn't look exactly into it.)  Also, I forgot to
mention that business with the moving walls from the Shadow Broker Ship
(They do remind me of those even if they aren't identical.), and the sky
car traffic in the background.

Edit: Quite possibly my favorite
suggestion in this scene, the camera pushes right into Shepard's face
when he says, "Don't let them control you." (And all the other stuff he
says at that moment about fighting back against their control.)

Edit:
Again with the weird shadows.  When Anderson falls over after TIM blows
his own brains out, their shadows are pointing in exact opposite
directions.

Edit: Then there is that bit with Shepard holding the
exact same side that Anderson was shot on, also the same side that
Anderson tapped him on in the beggining, (Chekhov's Gun anyone?) and
Shepard's arm getting very bloody afterwards.

Edit: View of Earth resembling view of star in TIM's room including the explosions going on outside.

Edit: Strange platform that rose out of the floor seemingly only so Shepard and Anderson would have something to lean on.

Edit:
Oh yeah, forgot to mention the strange plants and the dream trees that
are there on the run down.  Also, there were those few dream trees that
popped up behind Shepard after the blast from Harbinger (Pretty strange
that he just flew away, don't ya think?)  And there were those strange
piles of corpses that were around the Conduit.

Edit: Oh yeah, I
also forgot to mention the stange return of Shepard's scars, which
shouldn't be there considering I had the upgrade from ME2 that removes
them permanently.

Edit: Shepard's arm just got very bloody after
Anderson "died".  Also, he looked at it again, and they zoomed in very
specifically on that spot, a spot that Shepard had not been shot in up
to this point as far as I can tell.

Edit: Hackett just
contacted Shepard, and there was that strange business with Shepard,
Commander like Legion used to call him.  Honestly, I don't see why he
would address him in that order.  If it were me, I would have said,
Commander, Shepard, refering to him by rank first and then by name as I
got more desparate for him to pick up.

Edit: He's just
been raised up by the beam of light, and there was the fade to white
that popped up again, the same fade to white that you see when in the
Consensus, and that you see when Shepard gets "knocked out" by
Harbinger. (I used quotes since I'm working under the assumption that
that whole run was just a hallucination as well.

Edit: Ah,
ReaperBieber and his BS drivel about organics and synthetics.  Also, I
can hear Mark Meer's and Jennifer Hale's voices overlaid on his.  I see
the out of place 1M1 again, and I noticed that you see the same fade to
white again with the intro to the cutscene where you see Anderson
choosing Destroy.  I assume that it pops up again on the Control
cutscene with TIM.

Edit: Well, here I go, I'm going to choose
Destroy.  And if you listen, even Shepard doesn't sound like he has very
confidence in Synthesis.  Honestly, I don't think he likes any of
them.  

Edit: I'm not sure if I can see the trees or not.  I don't doubt that they're there, I'm just not sure if I can see them.

Edit: WOOT!  I saw one of the trees!

Nice rolling coverage

On the two points highlighted - has anyone flycammed the thing they're leaning on? I hadn't thought of that but it seems interesting in the context of such a choreographed ending and may provide clues.

Also, for the second bit, notice how the dream reverb is used to filter Shepard's words, but not the coughing noise he/she makes, but is not used to filter Hackett's voice. From the dialogue it is not clear at all that Hackett can hear Shepard, and it makes even less sense in the context of Coates telling everyone that Shep is dead.

[dreamgazer]

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The dream plants are also on Eden Prime btw.

Still wondering why they're called dream plants though. Unless it was because the designer considered them "dream plants" for their own personal garden.

I jokingly said something to the same effect in a previous thread---that the designers just thought of them as "dreamy" and labeled them as such.  Simplest explanation and all, right?  (laughs)

Nothing at all to do with organization and reference.