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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#20001
Arian Dynas

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Paxxton, if you're just going to make quote pyramids can you just leave? I'm not in the mood for you and estabanus' bull**** at the moment.


Someone's pissy today. 

What's up?


Only getting like an hour of sleep combined with having had a headache all freakin day.


In that event, I can sypthatize, didn't get any sleep until 7:00 AM, and my throat is sore.

I HATE sore throats more than anything else in the entire world.

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estebanus

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

"Nulla é reale; tutto é lectio.  Requiescat in pace."



"Nothing is real. Everything is permitted. Rest in peace."

Yes, I can a little italian!


Uh, now that you translated that much, I think it's actually "Nothing is true; everything is permitted.  Rest in peace."  What can I say, I'm an AC fan.



Ah crap, Typo! Typo! I knew that! Seriously, I did!


Suuurrrre you did.



Actually, "truth" has another word in italian. "Verita." As in "verify." It comes from the latin word "Veritatem."

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estebanus wrote...

http://social.biowar...5331/2#12596597

It all makes sense now!


Aahh! Kill it with fire! Argh!

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Oh, and shame nothing substantial was found with those two song files. Slight differences are possibly due to recording quality via different media? And no significant low-frequency sounds. Still, at least it means they aren't everywhere to be found, which helps somewhat.


Definitely. At this point we need examples we can use as a point of reference so we know where we're actually seeing signs of indoctrination signals. 


That being said, if there was a huge spike in ultrasonic sounds towards the end of 'An End Once And For All'...

Too obvious?  :P


Unfortunately, no peaks at the end of that track. But, I kept looking for really low frequencies and I found some. And I wasn't even surprised to find them there.

Sorry in advance for the wall post. :P But one may speculate.

So, to spam you guys with more tin-foil frequency diagrams,

here is 'Leaving Earth' as a music track (average over the complete track):
Posted Image

Notice the prominent peak nearly below 20Hz!

That one and many of the other low frequencies are contributed by the three Reaper growls present on the track. And the most interesting growl, the third one, gives you this:
Posted Image

One can clearly hear that this one stands out! It also sounds very raw. In the game, this is the moment where the shuttles are shot down. So the reason it stands out is clear.

And now the final one.
This one is from that one Reaper growl in the second dream:
Posted Image

No peaks, except for the 40Hz one, which is indeed very prominent and is also the E note in which the Reapers always yoddle in.
But the peaks are not as interesting, its the amplitude of the low frequencies. It's loud. And it's supposed to be special! The red light emphasizes it. And according to Hellish, those two things including the boy running away are the typical signs of a failed indoc. attempt.

I think this growl is a modification of the first 'Leaving Earth' growl. And it also has more bass than the original growl:

here's the first one's spectrum for comparison directly from the track:
Posted Image

Here the lower frequencies are neatly missing, as it should be for good classical instruments. So the dream version is very much so altered.

So all in all, I might've no skyscraper peaks to offer in frequencies below 20 Hz, but there are definitely low frequencies present during the game, especially in the dreams. And that makes sense as, within IT, they are supposed to be Shepards weakest moments, where the Reapers have the best chance to infiltrate his mind.


Nice work!

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Maybe Hellish can bring order to this thread.

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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

"Nulla é reale; tutto é lectio.  Requiescat in pace."



"Nothing is real. Everything is permitted. Rest in peace."

Yes, I can a little italian!


Uh, now that you translated that much, I think it's actually "Nothing is true; everything is permitted.  Rest in peace."  What can I say, I'm an AC fan.



Ah crap, Typo! Typo! I knew that! Seriously, I did!


Suuurrrre you did.



Actually, "truth" has another word in italian. "Verita." As in "verify." It comes from the latin word "Veritatem."


Wait, AC2 LIED to me? :blink:  My world has just been SHATTERED! :crying::crying::crying:

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We represent chaos. He represents order.

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

"Nulla é reale; tutto é lectio.  Requiescat in pace."



"Nothing is real. Everything is permitted. Rest in peace."

Yes, I can a little italian!


Uh, now that you translated that much, I think it's actually "Nothing is true; everything is permitted.  Rest in peace."  What can I say, I'm an AC fan.



Ah crap, Typo! Typo! I knew that! Seriously, I did!


Suuurrrre you did.



Actually, "truth" has another word in italian. "Verita." As in "verify." It comes from the latin word "Veritatem."


Wait, AC2 LIED to me? :blink:  My world has just been SHATTERED! :crying::crying::crying:



yup, sorry to be the harbinger of bad news,bro...

#20009
Arian Dynas

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THE GUARDIAN: *cough* You guys just keep doing what you're doing...

#20010
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"Knock Knock" Penny! "Knock Knock" Penny! "Knock Knock" Penny!

In a parallel world to this, we'd flame ITists, and Seisbot or whatever would suffer ultimate denial.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

THE GUARDIAN: *cough* You guys just keep doing what you're doing...


Sorry, we should get back on topic.  I just wish there was speculation fodder right now.

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HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and shame nothing substantial was found with those two song files. Slight differences are possibly due to recording quality via different media? And no significant low-frequency sounds. Still, at least it means they aren't everywhere to be found, which helps somewhat.


Definitely. At this point we need examples we can use as a point of reference so we know where we're actually seeing signs of indoctrination signals. 


That being said, if there was a huge spike in ultrasonic sounds towards the end of 'An End Once And For All'...

Too obvious?  :P


Unfortunately, no peaks at the end of that track. But, I kept looking for really low frequencies and I found some. And I wasn't even surprised to find them there.

Sorry in advance for the wall post. :P But one may speculate.

So, to spam you guys with more tin-foil frequency diagrams,

here is 'Leaving Earth' as a music track (average over the complete track):
Posted Image

Notice the prominent peak nearly below 20Hz!

That one and many of the other low frequencies are contributed by the three Reaper growls present on the track. And the most interesting growl, the third one, gives you this:
Posted Image

One can clearly hear that this one stands out! It also sounds very raw. In the game, this is the moment where the shuttles are shot down. So the reason it stands out is clear.

And now the final one.
This one is from that one Reaper growl in the second dream:
Posted Image

No peaks, except for the 40Hz one, which is indeed very prominent and is also the E note in which the Reapers always yoddle in.
But the peaks are not as interesting, its the amplitude of the low frequencies. It's loud. And it's supposed to be special! The red light emphasizes it. And according to Hellish, those two things including the boy running away are the typical signs of a failed indoc. attempt.

I think this growl is a modification of the first 'Leaving Earth' growl. And it also has more bass than the original growl:

here's the first one's spectrum for comparison directly from the track:
Posted Image

Here the lower frequencies are neatly missing, as it should be for good classical instruments. So the dream version is very much so altered.

So all in all, I might've no skyscraper peaks to offer in frequencies below 20 Hz, but there are definitely low frequencies present during the game, especially in the dreams. And that makes sense as, within IT, they are supposed to be Shepards weakest moments, where the Reapers have the best chance to infiltrate his mind.


Nice work!


Looks about right. Now if you could use that software of yours to analyze the individual dream files, (wwise_norhub_dreams.XXX) and ending files, (wwise_EndXXX_Cinedesign.XXX) that would be interesting. While I don't have the software, I'd almost bet money there are some juicy bits in all those pitch changes.

#20013
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UrgentArchengel wrote...

"Knock Knock" Penny! "Knock Knock" Penny! "Knock Knock" Penny!

In a parallel world to this, we'd flame ITists, and Seisbot or whatever would suffer ultimate denial.


Sheldon knocks three times before saying Penny's name, not two!

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byne wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

"Knock Knock" Penny! "Knock Knock" Penny! "Knock Knock" Penny!

In a parallel world to this, we'd flame ITists, and Seisbot or whatever would suffer ultimate denial.


Sheldon knocks three times before saying Penny's name, not two!


Shows what I know, I barely watch it, but I am trying to watch more.

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Oh look, the normandy crah thread is being spidermanned again...

And no, I'm not taking part in it!

#20016
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estebanus wrote...

Oh look, the normandy crah thread is being spidermanned again...

And no, I'm not taking part in it!


Links, or it didn't happen. :P

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Oh look, the normandy crah thread is being spidermanned again...

And no, I'm not taking part in it!


Links, or it didn't happen. :P



http://social.biowar...449/49#12596916

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byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.

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By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 15 juin 2012 - 11:52 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 



What. The. Hell.

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HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 


Who?

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HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.

#20023
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Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 


Who?


Seival. He's done nothing but post the most far-reaching, illogical "support" threads, and pretends to fail to comprehend logic and reason. He's doing it on purpose, IMO, so that he can make people feel silly when he reveals that he's just been playing them. 

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i posted something when i first woke up about where is the big oh **** reveal in ME3.

in ME1 it was the conversation with sovereign. finding out what the reapers really are.

ME2 finding out that the protheans still exist! kinda... as the collectors.

ME3. Starbinger? no way... that is no oh **** moment there. but shep being indoctrinated would be.

also. computer trying o correct protheans into Prometheus. I guess you could draw a parrallel to that god and what the protheans did to the asari and what the prothean beacon did for us.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 


Who?


This is the correct response. Lets move on from discussing Seival.