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Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 


Who?



http://social.biowar.../index/12417449

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http://social.biowar.../index/12045178

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byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, I figure I better go ahead and call it right now. Seival is a master troll, a closet-IT supporter, and will actually be revealing it just before the EC comes out, so he can make everyone feel stupid.

Gonna be almost as fun to watch as the reaction to the EC itself. Not sure whether to feel more sorry for the people arguing with him, or the people buying into his "theories" and using his sigs. 


Who?


This is the correct response. Lets move on from discussing Seival.


Yup.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.


Arian, whats up with you? Normally you're a lot more serious. You've been acting off the past few days.

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.


Arian, whats up with you? Normally you're a lot more serious. You've been acting off the past few days.


Baldur's Gate reference RIGHT over your head. :?

**** I feel old.

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I'm acting silly because I AM, this is me pretty normal, I can be serious, I can be playful and off the wall, and plenty of times I am.

Maybe it's partially because I'm not feeling depressed lately.

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.


Arian, whats up with you? Normally you're a lot more serious. You've been acting off the past few days.


Frak.  That last post killed my theory.  Forget I said anything.

Modifié par Dwailing, 16 juin 2012 - 12:04 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.


Arian, whats up with you? Normally you're a lot more serious. You've been acting off the past few days.


Baldur's Gate reference RIGHT over your head. :?

**** I feel old.



Ah! Theres the Arian I missed!

Anyways, I never played Baldur's Gate, so yeah :unsure:

How old are you anyways? For some reason I thought you were younger than me, though I dont actually know where I got that idea from.

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.


Arian, whats up with you? Normally you're a lot more serious. You've been acting off the past few days.


Baldur's Gate reference RIGHT over your head. :?

**** I feel old.



Ah! Theres the Arian I missed!

Anyways, I never played Baldur's Gate, so yeah :unsure:

How old are you anyways? For some reason I thought you were younger than me, though I dont actually know where I got that idea from.


Doesn't matter how young either of you are, I'm still probably younger.

#20034
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Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm acting silly because I AM, this is me pretty normal, I can be serious, I can be playful and off the wall, and plenty of times I am.

Maybe it's partially because I'm not feeling depressed lately.


Ah, well as long as it isnt you going crazy from laptop deprivation like I feared it was.

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This may have been brought up before, but I’ve always found that quote in the ‘final hours of mass effect 3’ very fishy. I originally read the app when it first came out which was long before I joined the ITD ranks and even back then I found the quote was deliberately misleading. 

Firstly there’s this: “...The gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly loose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control...”

So the first thing we can garner from this is that it was intended by BioWare to have Shepard indoctrinated at the end of the game, so the argument that BioWare aren’t clever enough to come up with ITD is false. Anyway, If they did intend to have Shep indoctrinated than there must have been some point in Shepard’s history that lead to his indoctrination, especially if it was full-blown enough so he’d be under complete control. This sentence also alludes to the fact that there are multiple stages of indoctrination by utilizing the adjective “full”.

“...(This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)...”

Anyone who just glances over this sentence might be lead to believe that it says “The Indoctrination of Shepard was dropped because it was too troublesome to implement” but it doesn’t say anything of the kind. All that sentence says is that the mechanic of having the game suddenly take away control from the player was dropped but not the indoctrination concept. It also says that it was hard to implement along with the dialogue choices, but it never says that the related dialogue choices were ever removed and hence we are still presented them in the game during the end sequence. It also makes more sense not to take away control from the player to make the indoctrination process much more subtle by almost turning it into an alternate-reality game, which is the way it should be... Anyway, my point is that the sentence never once mentions that Shepard being indoctrinated was dropped, just that one physical gameplay component was.

For me this quote was actually what lead me to the ITD forums as it made me suddenly realize that they had intended Shepard to be indoctrinated all along and that they just implemented it into game in other ways other than a physical gameplay mechanics.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 16 juin 2012 - 10:06 .


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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm acting silly because I AM, this is me pretty normal, I can be serious, I can be playful and off the wall, and plenty of times I am.

Maybe it's partially because I'm not feeling depressed lately.


Ah, well as long as it isnt you going crazy from laptop deprivation like I feared it was.


That was MY theory.  Although, I thought it was all an act to resist going over to the Dark Side.

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Maybe that'll get the speculations going again: twitter.com/GambleMike/status/213780625507880960

...or not.

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Guys, quick thought on foreshadowing that I had whilst looking through the sound files from the beginning - the cinematography from the whole "walk to trial" scene seems weird, but it seems to be absolutely loaded with foreshadowing of the ending.

Which got me thinking, could it give us hints on what will be in the EC?

What happens in this one? The beam hits, shepard gets knocked out or almost and you hear the reaper noises from the dreams (the ones complete with proper infrasound), then Anderson snaps you out of it, just like he does when you're talking to the child later...

You hear the sound of groaning metal as he does so, very similar to the sound in the "breath" scene at the end, then Anderson gets you on your feet and hands you a Predator pistol.

I think it's worth a look generally, there's other stuff but it's getting late here and I'm off.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Maybe that'll get the speculations going again: twitter.com/GambleMike/status/213780625507880960

...or not.


Yknow, I dont think slack was the word miracleofsound was looking for.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Maybe that'll get the speculations going again: twitter.com/GambleMike/status/213780625507880960

...or not.


I assumed he was referring to the weekend,  not the completion of EC.  Could be wrong, though.  *shrug*

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Maybe that'll get the speculations going again: twitter.com/GambleMike/status/213780625507880960

...or not.


Sounds like they're getting close to the release of... something.  I'm guessing the EC, but it could be the upcoming MP pack.  Or maybe both.  The SDCC is coming up, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're gearing up to reveal something there.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm acting silly because I AM, this is me pretty normal, I can be serious, I can be playful and off the wall, and plenty of times I am.

Maybe it's partially because I'm not feeling depressed lately.


You're also a very good writer and a great guy.

Hello everyone! Missed the thread...

#20043
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UNCLE JOOOOOOO!!! YAY!

Great to see you here again!

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TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, quick thought on foreshadowing that I had whilst looking through the sound files from the beginning - the cinematography from the whole "walk to trial" scene seems weird, but it seems to be absolutely loaded with foreshadowing of the ending.

Which got me thinking, could it give us hints on what will be in the EC?

What happens in this one? The beam hits, shepard gets knocked out or almost and you hear the reaper noises from the dreams (the ones complete with proper infrasound), then Anderson snaps you out of it, just like he does when you're talking to the child later...

You hear the sound of groaning metal as he does so, very similar to the sound in the "breath" scene at the end, then Anderson gets you on your feet and hands you a Predator pistol.

I think it's worth a look generally, there's other stuff but it's getting late here and I'm off.


Nice connections! It seems Anderson may be emphasized as a symbol of Shepard's resistance to Indoctrination even more than we thought. 

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Big Bad wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Maybe that'll get the speculations going again: twitter.com/GambleMike/status/213780625507880960

...or not.


I assumed he was referring to the weekend,  not the completion of EC.  Could be wrong, though.  *shrug*


But I dont need Gamble to tell me Friday is near the weekend. I already know that:

Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday

Today it is Friday, Friday

We-we-we so excited

We so excited

We gonna have a ball today



Tomorrow is Saturday

And Sunday comes afterwards

I don’t want this weekend to end


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Uncle Jo wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm acting silly because I AM, this is me pretty normal, I can be serious, I can be playful and off the wall, and plenty of times I am.

Maybe it's partially because I'm not feeling depressed lately.


You're also a very good writer and a great guy.

Hello everyone! Missed the thread...


Yay!  Arian and I were able to convince you to rejoin our ranks!

#20047
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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm acting silly because I AM, this is me pretty normal, I can be serious, I can be playful and off the wall, and plenty of times I am.

Maybe it's partially because I'm not feeling depressed lately.


Ah, well as long as it isnt you going crazy from laptop deprivation like I feared it was.


Nah. I don't live on it that much. Most of why I care is really that it's my most valued posession, it contains my life's work, stories, essays, everything I have ever written that wasn't on a bar napkin.

In a way, it's an extension of me, my tastes, an extension of my personality, hence why all of my computers are named for facets of my personality. This desktop is Arian Dynas, the laptop was John Nobody, the next could be Nathaniel Karasin, Matthias Tantras, Dynas Armelin, Eirak Ice-Veins, Darius Dragonheart, Gareth Kenthur, Aedan Cousland or Tristan Lyonelson.

Yeah, I'm a weird fella.

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Salient Archer wrote...

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This may have been brought up before, but I’ve always found that quote in the ‘final hours of mass effect 3’ very fishy. I originally read the app when it first came out which was long before I joined the ITD ranks and even back then I found the quote was deliberately misleading. 

Firstly there’s this: “...The gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly loose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control...”

So the first thing we can garner from this is that it was intended by BioWare to have Shepard indoctrinated at the end of the game, so the argument that BioWare aren’t clever enough to come up with ITD is false. Anyway, If they did intend to have Shep indoctrinated than there must have been some point in Shepard’s history that lead to his indoctrination, especially if it was full-blown enough so he’d be under complete control. This sentence also alludes to the fact that there are multiple stages of indoctrination by utilizing the adjective “full”.

“...(This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved to troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)...”

Anyone who just glances over this sentence might be lead to believe that it says “The Indoctrination of Shepard was dropped because it was too troublesome to implement” but it doesn’t say anything of the kind. All that sentence says is that the mechanic of having the game suddenly take away control from the player was dropped but not the indoctrination concept. It also says that it was hard to implement along with the dialogue choices, but it never says that the related dialogue choices were ever removed and hence we are still presented them in the game during the end sequence. It also makes more sense not to take away control from the player to make the indoctrination process much more subtle by almost turning it into an alternate-reality game, which is the way it should be... Anyway, my point is that the sentence never once mentions that Shepard being indoctrinated was dropped, just that one physical gameplay component was.

For me this quote was actually what lead me to the ITD forums as it made me suddenly realize that they had intended Shepard to be indoctrinated all along and that they just implemented it into game in other ways other than a physical gameplay mechanics.


I agree with every word. Nothing more to add.

#20049
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Uncle Jo wrote...
You're also a very good writer and a great guy.

Hello everyone! Missed the thread...


Welcome back! :D

#20050
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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne already tried to bring the hammer down... If that didnt work, I dont think I'll accomplish much.

ah what the heck, for old times sake:

Guys, can we get back on topic? I hate having to sift through a bunch of gibbering to get to the actual discussion.


We are the gibberlings three, as merry a band as you ever did see!

We've come to devour Athkatla and find it most palatable though you've nary a sausage to feed us.


Arian, whats up with you? Normally you're a lot more serious. You've been acting off the past few days.


Baldur's Gate reference RIGHT over your head. :?

**** I feel old.



Ah! Theres the Arian I missed!

Anyways, I never played Baldur's Gate, so yeah :unsure:

How old are you anyways? For some reason I thought you were younger than me, though I dont actually know where I got that idea from.


Doesn't matter how young either of you are, I'm still probably younger.


My body is 19. My mind is stuck in the 80's and 90's, only more like totally cool dude. B)