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[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

What's this laughter you're talking about?

Also, you guys should write an article every month summarizing your finds. I was on here 24/7 for a month and now I'm trying to have a life again and I can't keep up

There are some really weird, quiet laughing sounds on the crew deck of the Normandy. Creepy stuff. I'll see if I can track down the video for you.

Funny you should mention weird sounds. A few days ago, I was in ME2 in the stasis pod area, and I'm not quite sure what I heard, but I got this weird feeling of fear. It was probably just my over active imagination, but it was weird as all heck at the time. I wonder if there's anything like that in ME3...

Has anyone considered that the physical casing of the IFF might be installed around there or that the guns themselves just happen to give off that wierd 30-40 hz hum since they're primed (and calibrated)?

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

You know, I still go back to Cronos sometimes as a feasible start of full on hallucination. It would do a lot of things good, including but not limited to leading the allied fleet into a kill zone; which is hard not to undo. Other bad crap could be avoided as well. All the weirdness could be explained away... The color coded areas you found on the station Hellish... it's almost pushed me fully back to this point. Not even the fight with Kai Leng felt 'right'. It still may be only partial... but I don't know! Dammit.

Cant rule anything out, but as BatmanTurian just pointed out on the last page, there is the protoreaper to consider. And I cant find any strangeness or oddities until we are literally right on the protoreaper's doorstep. 

So it's possible that the "red" area is really just a coincidence, but then you get to the protoreaper, and you encounter the color coding of the other two areas. At least, it seems to make sense that way. 

I'll be recording all the way through Cronos again... looking much more carefully as I go. I remember looking all over the place for 1M1 on my second playthrough. I  was convinced there may be part of the station that made up the Citadel/Decision chamber, but found nothing.

For me it really is one of three places.

Cronos

Pre Hades Shuttle Crash

Rover/Tank with Coats, Anderson and Squad

I don't even know what order, but I had settled on the Shuttle a month ago when I noticed the Cain stupidness and everything else after that point that was nonsensical. I was convinced that both shuttles went down when the Hades fired... The squadies that scream... those are so off. No way that's a mistake or bad VA days. They would have had them redo the VO considering how much suckage they are.

Also, the way that mission is set up... it's like the Devs wanted you to leave ASAP. No hanging around checking out the area.

[Turbo_J]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

What's this laughter you're talking about?

Also, you guys should write an article every month summarizing your finds. I was on here 24/7 for a month and now I'm trying to have a life again and I can't keep up

There are some really weird, quiet laughing sounds on the crew deck of the Normandy. Creepy stuff. I'll see if I can track down the video for you.

Funny you should mention weird sounds. A few days ago, I was in ME2 in the stasis pod area, and I'm not quite sure what I heard, but I got this weird feeling of fear. It was probably just my over active imagination, but it was weird as all heck at the time. I wonder if there's anything like that in ME3...

Has anyone considered that the physical casing of the IFF might be installed around there or that the guns themselves just happen to give off that wierd 30-40 hz hum since they're primed (and calibrated)?

I made a comparison video of that hum and the beam sound a while back.

www.youtube.com/watch

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Found it:


Wear headphones or turn your speakers up really loud, because its very quiet.

I hear a hum, and laughter. The hum could be the guns primed. The laughter might be the crew, since that's the crew deck. Sure it sounds creepy, but it might be unintentionally creepy.

IMO, that laughter is way too creepy, subtle, and untraceable to be ambient sounds.... They have no source.. Theyre the same volume no matter where you are on the crew deck. You never get closer or farther away from them. Someone also said they become more frequent as you progress through the game. 

Alright, well if that's true then it definitely qualifies as hallucinations from indoctrination progression. However, why would Shep be hallucinating laughter? What is the subconcious reason for this? I can't think of anything other than Shep is breaking down and starting to think the mission is hopeless and thus he is a failure and his inner sub-concious is laughing at him or some psycho-babble like that.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Pre Hades Shuttle Crash

At first I thought I was just misremembering, but when I ran through London the other night, I noticed that your shuttle never actually crashes. It's the "heavy weapons shuttle" that crashes. Are you suggesting that Shepard's shuttle is actually the one that crashed? 

[Rosewind]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Pre Hades Shuttle Crash

At first I thought I was just misremembering, but when I ran through London the other night, I noticed that your shuttle never actually crashes. It's the "heavy weapons shuttle" that crashes. Are you suggesting that Shepard's shuttle is actually the one that crashed? 

I agree,  cortez crashes your shuttle but your not on it at the time.

[BatmanTurian]

Turbo_J wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

What's this laughter you're talking about?

Also, you guys should write an article every month summarizing your finds. I was on here 24/7 for a month and now I'm trying to have a life again and I can't keep up

There are some really weird, quiet laughing sounds on the crew deck of the Normandy. Creepy stuff. I'll see if I can track down the video for you.

Funny you should mention weird sounds. A few days ago, I was in ME2 in the stasis pod area, and I'm not quite sure what I heard, but I got this weird feeling of fear. It was probably just my over active imagination, but it was weird as all heck at the time. I wonder if there's anything like that in ME3...

Has anyone considered that the physical casing of the IFF might be installed around there or that the guns themselves just happen to give off that wierd 30-40 hz hum since they're primed (and calibrated)?

I made a comparison video of that hum and the beam sound a while back.

www.youtube.com/watch

wow, that is frickin' wierd.

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Pre Hades Shuttle Crash

At first I thought I was just misremembering, but when I ran through London the other night, I noticed that your shuttle never actually crashes. It's the "heavy weapons shuttle" that crashes. Are you suggesting that Shepard's shuttle is actually the one that crashed? 

Yes, both buy it maybe... not sure. The white flashing in the beam run could be the white of the cannon firing but it's too much like a heart beat pulse so I tossed at least that part of the idea.

It's one of the reasons I was hung up on the Clock. It's not, what - 200 feet away from the HW shuttle?

Remember... you never see Cortez or that shuttle again. It gets shot down 'later'. Somehow he's still at a QEC later when you get to the FOB. Who picked him up and where did he end up? And why didn't Shep ask where he ended up?

[Dwailing]

Son of a... Turbo, in that video, there were some weird clicking sounds. That's what I heard in ME2. And that was pre IFF. I don't know if they mean something, but when I heard them, my fight or flight instinct kicked in (I think that's what it was, anyway.).

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

I made a comparison video of that hum and the beam sound a while back.

www.youtube.com/watch

wow, that is frickin' wierd.

Indeed. I'm SentraMaster down in the comments of that video, the one that said "They both do sound like ascending Shepard Tones."

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Pre Hades Shuttle Crash

At first I thought I was just misremembering, but when I ran through London the other night, I noticed that your shuttle never actually crashes. It's the "heavy weapons shuttle" that crashes. Are you suggesting that Shepard's shuttle is actually the one that crashed? 

I agree,  cortez crashes your shuttle but your not on it at the time.

Shepard, pulling out bits of reality and working them into the hallucination, likely why his armor looks as it does, otherwise he would be encased in metal, as well as dead and burned, even from a glancing shot by Harbinger.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Yes, both buy it maybe... not sure. The white flashing in the beam run could be the white of the cannon firing but it's too much like a heart beat pulse so I tossed at least that part of the idea.

It's one of the reasons I was hung up on the Clock. It's not, what - 200 feet away from the HW shuttle?

Remember... you never see Cortez or that shuttle again. It gets shot down 'later'. Somehow he's still at a QEC later when you get to the FOB. Who picked him up and where did he end up? And why didn't Shep ask where he ended up?

Now's as good a time as any to mention that the QEC's really just bother me in general. They seem very fishy to me. The QEC terminal is tucked away in a secret, clandestine looking corner of the war room, and supposedly Anderson is able to contact you several times with it.  And then there is the weird way the communications guy can just connect you to everybody you care about in an instant while at the FOB. QECs just seems off to me in general in ME3. 

[Turbo_J]

Dwailing wrote...

Son of a... Turbo, in that video, there were some weird clicking sounds. That's what I heard in ME2. And that was pre IFF. I don't know if they mean something, but when I heard them, my fight or flight instinct kicked in (I think that's what it was, anyway.).

Yeah, just making that video made me want to run away from my computer. I freaked my wife out; (yes wife. And no my daughter does not call me Dad, but it would be cool.), when I caught the sound the first time. She thought I was hurt or something I screamed so loud. lol

[UrgentArchengel]

Wish I could get back to ME3. But I am still on my new ME2 playthrough. I wish I could help out more.

[Dwailing]

Well, I think I'm off for the night. See you all tomorrow. Good luck speculating.

[Salient Archer]

Dwailing wrote...

I'm with what pretty much everyone is saying right now about when the hallucination starts. There are kinky elements of Priority: Earth that Shepard is probably hallucinating, but the REALLY bizarre stuff only starts after the crash. And I say after the crash rather than after the beam for two reasons. One: it explains why there are shrubs and trees from the dreams before Shepard is hit, and two: it saves Anderson from the indignity of using Sarge's tactics.

I hear you loud and clear about the Sarge tactics that Anderson implements ... I remember face palming when he proposed his "strategy" to me... For a series so rich with military themes it can be a little unrealistic when it comes to plot based tactics.

BatmanTurian wrote...

This is my personal opinion. I think from the moment Shepard enters the room where the baby reaper is in Chronos, the way Shepard views reality warps a little. It's barely noticable at first but it begins to become cumulative until it becomes full-blown wtf-ery in London and then the shuttle crash or the beam just sends it all over the edge. I don't think the " hallucination" (for lack of a better term) has a cut-and-dry beginning. I think it comes in spurts and definitely starts ratcheting up on Earth.

HellishFiend wrote...

I think the most popular theory right now is that Cronos all the way up to the Mako crash are subject to partial hallucination, kind of like a waking dream, or schizophrenia. If you've ever seen A Beautiful Mind, that is a good example. I think that Shepard is knocked out at the Mako crash instead of by Harby's beam, and everything starting from the run to the beam is a full blown hallucination. Everything before the Mako crash is just partially hallucinated. At least thats the running theory I'm going by right now. 

It's exciting stuff, because it gives us a lot more material to look at while we're waiting for the EC. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

I too am of a similar belief at the moment, I just was curious to see what the general consensus was. Interesting to find that we've all come to a similar conclusion.

Arian Dynas wrote...

I am torn between partial hallucination, culminating with the beam, which to be honest feels a bit cheap to me, since it makes us question EVERYTHING, and the other possibility I hold is the entirety of London is a hallucination Shepard has while in a comatose state, awaiting medical evac after the shuttle crashed on their way down to deal with the Hades Cannon. 

Why do you feel the beam makes us question everything? Wouldn't it just be an instigator for increased levels of hallucination due to Shepard continuing to get closer to it? and hence sets him over the edge due to sheer proximity to it or during the completely glossed over Mako crash. Which reminds me so much of this in fringe which was glossed over until the season 2 opener shown here.

I must admit that I've never bought into the shuttle crash theory as the evidence supporting it I've always found a little thin but I'm happy to hear why you think it's a possibility.

[HellishFiend]

Sorry, went off on a tangent. Yeah, the weirdness with the shuttle crashes is definitely.... weird... But it's hard to put a finger on. In fact, most of the weirdness in London is difficult to pin down, for that matter.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Son of a... Turbo, in that video, there were some weird clicking sounds. That's what I heard in ME2. And that was pre IFF. I don't know if they mean something, but when I heard them, my fight or flight instinct kicked in (I think that's what it was, anyway.).

Yeah, just making that video made me want to run away from my computer. I freaked my wife out; (yes wife. And no my daughter does not call me Dad, but it would be cool.), when I caught the sound the first time. She thought I was hurt or something I screamed so loud. lol

Seriously? Thats a strange and creepy coincidence. You guys arent exaggerating at all?

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Yes, both buy it maybe... not sure. The white flashing in the beam run could be the white of the cannon firing but it's too much like a heart beat pulse so I tossed at least that part of the idea.

It's one of the reasons I was hung up on the Clock. It's not, what - 200 feet away from the HW shuttle?

Remember... you never see Cortez or that shuttle again. It gets shot down 'later'. Somehow he's still at a QEC later when you get to the FOB. Who picked him up and where did he end up? And why didn't Shep ask where he ended up?

Now's as good a time as any to mention that the QEC's really just bother me in general. They seem very fishy to me. The QEC terminal is tucked away in a secret, clandestine looking corner of the war room, and supposedly Anderson is able to contact you several times with it.  And then there is the weird way the communications guy can just connect you to everybody you care about in an instant while at the FOB. QECs just seems off to me in general in ME3. 

You already know my feelings on London concerning the QEC ... everyone at one (of the few scattered around the globe?) and ready for the call from good ole Shep. There is a WAR to fight PEOPLE! stop standing around by the phone!

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...


You already know my feelings on London concerning the QEC ... everyone at one (of the few scattered around the globe?) and ready for the call from good ole Shep. There is a WAR to fight PEOPLE! stop standing around by the phone!

Yeah I remember, and agree for sure. But even the QEC on the Normandy has bothered me for a while. I've just never said anything about it till now. I'm hesitant to speculate on that, but it does feel off to me. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 16 juin 2012 - 04:54 .

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Son of a... Turbo, in that video, there were some weird clicking sounds. That's what I heard in ME2. And that was pre IFF. I don't know if they mean something, but when I heard them, my fight or flight instinct kicked in (I think that's what it was, anyway.).

Yeah, just making that video made me want to run away from my computer. I freaked my wife out; (yes wife. And no my daughter does not call me Dad, but it would be cool.), when I caught the sound the first time. She thought I was hurt or something I screamed so loud. lol

Seriously? Thats a strange and creepy coincidence. You guys arent exaggerating at all?

It's really creepy to hear it in ME2 after playing ME3. It's an after affect it seems. At least in my case it was. It was still unsettling to listen to it. And the occasional ticking and click... shivers.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

It's really creepy to hear it in ME2 after playing ME3. It's an after affect it seems. At least in my case it was. It was still unsettling to listen to it. And the occasional ticking and click... shivers.

Yeah, I mean, I cant say anything about it now because I cant listen to it objectively, but I find it strange that you both experienced a similar reaction without a pre-suggestion. Wonder if there is anything to it...

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Yes, both buy it maybe... not sure. The white flashing in the beam run could be the white of the cannon firing but it's too much like a heart beat pulse so I tossed at least that part of the idea.

It's one of the reasons I was hung up on the Clock. It's not, what - 200 feet away from the HW shuttle?

Remember... you never see Cortez or that shuttle again. It gets shot down 'later'. Somehow he's still at a QEC later when you get to the FOB. Who picked him up and where did he end up? And why didn't Shep ask where he ended up?

Now's as good a time as any to mention that the QEC's really just bother me in general. They seem very fishy to me. The QEC terminal is tucked away in a secret, clandestine looking corner of the war room, and supposedly Anderson is able to contact you several times with it.  And then there is the weird way the communications guy can just connect you to everybody you care about in an instant while at the FOB. QECs just seems off to me in general in ME3. 

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

[Turbo_J]

As I said - it's an after the fact meta kind of experience hearing the beam sound or something even remotely similar on the Normandy of the previous chapter. Makes me think I'm in one of the damn cryo-coffins dreaming all of ME3

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures.