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[Turbo_J]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Yes, both buy it maybe... not sure. The white flashing in the beam run could be the white of the cannon firing but it's too much like a heart beat pulse so I tossed at least that part of the idea.

It's one of the reasons I was hung up on the Clock. It's not, what - 200 feet away from the HW shuttle?

Remember... you never see Cortez or that shuttle again. It gets shot down 'later'. Somehow he's still at a QEC later when you get to the FOB. Who picked him up and where did he end up? And why didn't Shep ask where he ended up?

Now's as good a time as any to mention that the QEC's really just bother me in general. They seem very fishy to me. The QEC terminal is tucked away in a secret, clandestine looking corner of the war room, and supposedly Anderson is able to contact you several times with it.  And then there is the weird way the communications guy can just connect you to everybody you care about in an instant while at the FOB. QECs just seems off to me in general in ME3. 

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

And without it, there would have been no communications, as 'conventional' ME comms or any based on Reaper tech would be down/jammed. The Reapers were taking out comm buoys as soon as they entered systems.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 16 juin 2012 - 05:04 .

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

As I said - it's an after the fact meta kind of experience hearing the beam sound or something even remotely similar on the Normandy of the previous chapter. Makes me think I'm in one of the damn cryo-coffins dreaming all of ME3

True, I suppose that does count as somewhat of a pre-suggestion that could encourage an adverse reaction. 

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures. 

Hmmm. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree. The QEC always seemed on the up-and-up to me, but maybe I'm just not seeing it the way you guys see it. It never threw up any red flags for me, except maybe in London I guess.

[Ctoagu]

I just noticed that there is machinery in the Normandy's War Room that looks a LOT like it belongs on the Control device in the Decision Room. It's really hard to miss once you notice it, to the left of the Crucible hologram.

http://images.wikia....E3_War_Room.png

Modifié par Ctoagu, 16 juin 2012 - 05:12 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Ctoagu wrote...

I just noticed that there is machinery in the Normandy's War Room that looks a LOT like it belongs on the Control device in the Decision Room. It's really hard to miss once you notice it, to the left of the Crucible hologram.

[imgified]

[Salient Archer]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures. 

Hmmm. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree. The QEC always seemed on the up-and-up to me, but maybe I'm just not seeing it the way you guys see it. It never threw up any red flags for me, except maybe in London I guess.

Although I did find it convenient in London how all my indirect crew happened to be near QEC consoles at the time but other than that I never felt the QEC seemed odd at all. Battles and wars can be lost due to poor communication alone, so I felt that the most important members of the Alliance military would ensure that they could contact and direct their greatest asset at all times.

[BatmanTurian]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Ctoagu wrote...

I just noticed that there is machinery in the Normandy's War Room that looks a LOT like it belongs on the Control device in the Decision Room. It's really hard to miss once you notice it, to the left of the Crucible hologram.

[imgified]

ah yes, the wheels that we thought were derived from the mako or whatever.

[Bill Casey]

It made sense for Hackett and Anderson to have QEC...
The rest are all on Earth with you, and wouldn't need Quantum Entanglement to communicate...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[Ctoagu]

BatmanTurian wrote...

ah yes, the wheels that we thought were derived from the mako or whatever.

I was talking about the cables. I dunno what you're talking about...

[BatmanTurian]

Salient Archer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures. 

Hmmm. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree. The QEC always seemed on the up-and-up to me, but maybe I'm just not seeing it the way you guys see it. It never threw up any red flags for me, except maybe in London I guess.

Although I did find it convenient in London how all my indirect crew happened to be near QEC consoles at the time but other than that I never felt the QEC seemed odd at all. Battles and wars can be lost due to poor communication alone, so I felt that the most important members of the Alliance military would ensure that they could contact and direct their greatest asset at all times.

That makes sense, but I think I remember Anderson saying there weren't a lot of them and they were spread out over different continents... That's why I thought it was wierd, unless the squadies were all standing in line to talk to Shep, which seems unlikely since they were all getting in position for a military push.

[Bill Casey]

He's talking about the circles below the cables...

[BatmanTurian]

Ctoagu wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

ah yes, the wheels that we thought were derived from the mako or whatever.

I was talking about the cables. I dunno what you're talking about...

oh the cables? I'm talking about the circles with the red lights. they look like the wheel thing on the left near control.
EDIT: they could both be in the final choice contraption

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 16 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[Turbo_J]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures. 

Hmmm. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree. The QEC always seemed on the up-and-up to me, but maybe I'm just not seeing it the way you guys see it. It never threw up any red flags for me, except maybe in London I guess.

Although I did find it convenient in London how all my indirect crew happened to be near QEC consoles at the time but other than that I never felt the QEC seemed odd at all. Battles and wars can be lost due to poor communication alone, so I felt that the most important members of the Alliance military would ensure that they could contact and direct their greatest asset at all times.

That makes sense, but I think I remember Anderson saying there weren't a lot of them and they were spread out over different continents... That's why I thought it was wierd, unless the squadies were all standing in line to talk to Shep, which seems unlikely since they were all getting in position for a military push.

It was Udina who mentions that there are a few spread out across the globe or continents... whichever.

[BatmanTurian]

Turbo_J wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures. 

Hmmm. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree. The QEC always seemed on the up-and-up to me, but maybe I'm just not seeing it the way you guys see it. It never threw up any red flags for me, except maybe in London I guess.

Although I did find it convenient in London how all my indirect crew happened to be near QEC consoles at the time but other than that I never felt the QEC seemed odd at all. Battles and wars can be lost due to poor communication alone, so I felt that the most important members of the Alliance military would ensure that they could contact and direct their greatest asset at all times.

That makes sense, but I think I remember Anderson saying there weren't a lot of them and they were spread out over different continents... That's why I thought it was wierd, unless the squadies were all standing in line to talk to Shep, which seems unlikely since they were all getting in position for a military push.

It was Udina who mentions that there are a few spread out across the globe or continents... whichever.

yeah i thought i remembered someone saying it.

[Bill Casey]

BatmanTurian wrote...

That makes sense, but I think I remember Anderson saying there weren't a lot of them and they were spread out over different continents... That's why I thought it was wierd, unless the squadies were all standing in line to talk to Shep, which seems unlikely since they were all getting in position for a military push.

Again, if they are all on Earth, their transmissions wouldn't need Quantum entanglement...

[Nightingale]

Salient Archer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It seems reasonable to me that the technology has been around since ME1, such as in counciler udihna's office right after Eden Prime. I think the technology got better and perhaps some of the cerberus techs captured after the Normandy was grounded gave away TIM's QEC tech secrets and they reverse engineered it.

Plus it just makes the plot move along better and faster. And I find it more pleasing than in ME1 where Hackett droned on while Shepard stared into empty space at the galaxy map.

It might just be paranoia, sure, but you have to admit it's kind of odd how it's tucked away in that corner, and Anderson has so many opportunities to contact you. Heck, Hackett even makes remarks based on your EMS and Readiness, and we've even started to question the reality of those figures. 

Hmmm. I guess I'm just going to have to disagree. The QEC always seemed on the up-and-up to me, but maybe I'm just not seeing it the way you guys see it. It never threw up any red flags for me, except maybe in London I guess.

Although I did find it convenient in London how all my indirect crew happened to be near QEC consoles at the time but other than that I never felt the QEC seemed odd at all. Battles and wars can be lost due to poor communication alone, so I felt that the most important members of the Alliance military would ensure that they could contact and direct their greatest asset at all times.

I found it more amusing that the soldier there just knew who Shepard meant. I mean, sure, there's probably not many Samaras but what about Jack or Grunt? Even assuming he knew Shepard's crew, just being able to connect to them that easily is a bit odd.

Also, this is somewhat random but I saw your math on the explosions from...well, several weeks ago now (I think someone here actually linked to it). Very nice job with those numbers, I doubt I could've come up with anything nearly as...in depth, I suppose you could say. Anyway, just thought it really helped with the whole Shepard-still-being-in-London-for-that-breath argument.

[BatmanTurian]

Bill Casey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

That makes sense, but I think I remember Anderson saying there weren't a lot of them and they were spread out over different continents... That's why I thought it was wierd, unless the squadies were all standing in line to talk to Shep, which seems unlikely since they were all getting in position for a military push.

Again, if they are all on Earth, their transmissions wouldn't need Quantum entanglement...

Could you elaborate? It's late and I don't think I'm understanding.

[Turbo_J]

Back to the Hades Canon area...

My thoughts on Cortez may be key here so I'll reiterate.

Cortez's shuttle does go down after you are 'dropped off' but before he could pick you up.

You never see that shuttle you were on again.

You don't see him again until the QEC at the FOB.

You don't ask anyone; Coats or Anderson if there is a status on him.

During the QEC conversation you never ask and he never tells you where he got to or who picked him up.

I think he 'could be' alive or dead (depending on conversations) in the cockpit of the downed shuttle... just a ways away from where Shep is buried under the rubble. Maybe?

[Allaiya]

HellishFiend wrote...

mrfinke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I guess my only thing would be that things aren't really surreal until after getting laser smacked by Harbinger

We have some interesting evidence that london isn't all face-value either at this point, which makes sense since we also found evidence that Coates is an Indoctrination Broadcasting machine and the Reapers and their minions are practically everywhere on Earth. The base is surrounded by Reaper forces..

Woah, what is this evidence you speak??  Especially on Coates, that guy always rubs me the wrong way.

Behold:

http://social.biowar...32/771#12581175 

Hmm that is all very interesting & could explain a few things. He does have a lot of dialogue during the mission & it is usually always negative.
The whole London mission is so strange really. Like the part where Anderson says he is born in London. It seems an odd place to mention it & he gives Shep this weird glance. There also seems to be a datapad or two that talks about indoctrination during the level.

[Turbo_J]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

That makes sense, but I think I remember Anderson saying there weren't a lot of them and they were spread out over different continents... That's why I thought it was wierd, unless the squadies were all standing in line to talk to Shep, which seems unlikely since they were all getting in position for a military push.

Again, if they are all on Earth, their transmissions wouldn't need Quantum entanglement...

Could you elaborate? It's late and I don't think I'm understanding.

Anything 'conventional' or Reaper based is going to be Jammed Bill. QECs cannot be Jammed.

This is why those old CBs or analog radios at the FOB  bug me.

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I am torn between partial hallucination, culminating with the beam, which to be honest feels a bit cheap to me, since it makes us question EVERYTHING, and the other possibility I hold is the entirety of London is a hallucination Shepard has while in a comatose state, awaiting medical evac after the shuttle crashed on their way down to deal with the Hades Cannon. 

Why do you feel the beam makes us question everything? Wouldn't it just be an instigator for increased levels of hallucination due to Shepard continuing to get closer to it? and hence sets him over the edge due to sheer proximity to it or during the completely glossed over Mako crash. Which reminds me so much of this in fringe which was glossed over until the season 2 opener shown here.

I must admit that I've never bought into the shuttle crash theory as the evidence supporting it I've always found a little thin but I'm happy to hear why you think it's a possibility.

I never said the BEAM makes us question everthing, the idea that there are a mixture of hallucinations and realtiy is what does, I see it as an excuse to explain bugs and explain away things people don't like, the hallucination should have a fairly clear beginning, a clear divide between reality and hallucination, not this blurring the lines between conciousness and dreaming, it's a thematic thing, the dreams were distinct from reality, everything after Harbinger's beam is distinct from reality, and for the most part, London itself is not, well quite itself; limited scenery, places that are thematic carbon copies of other places, ect.

It just doesn't feel right for "a blurred reality" I say it is either a full blown hallucination, in which Shepard, comatose and unable to move is playing out events in his mind, or it's an augmented reality and NOTHING he sees is real, merely an overlay to something that is real.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel right.

And I never referenced the shuttle crash theory, that's the one that says the hallucination starts when the tank that Anderson and Shepard are in (commonly confused with a shuttle) crashes just prior to the beam run, which, from the way the camera angles were working, didn't feel paticuarly normal or real either.

What I am saying is that Cortez crashed with Shepard and crew inside, the rest of the squad landed, and Shepard, having been sorely wounded in the crash is stuck in the rubble, waiting for medical evac, as his crew dare not move him for fear of making the situation worse. The goodbyes happened, in that every member of the crew took turns watching him and making sure he stayed stable, while the others kept Reaper forces off their backs, defending their wounded commander. Shepard never stepped into London, never brought down a Hades Cannon, and the EC will start with Shepard waking up in a triage center, having either failed or beaten back indoctrination, and then will go on to fight the Reapers in London, Vancouver and Rio as Sword fights in the atmosphere above, and the Crucible is somehow involved.

I could be wrong, but having more missions and a more traditional trench war rather than this climactic final battle feels right for some reason.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Anything 'conventional' or Reaper based is going to be Jammed Bill. QECs cannot be Jammed.

This is why those old CBs or analog radios at the FOB  bug me.

Yeah, those shouldnt work. 

[BatmanTurian]

Turbo_J wrote...

Back to the Hades Canon area...

My thoughts on Cortez may be key here so I'll reiterate.

Cortez's shuttle does go down after you are 'dropped off' but before he could pick you up.

You never see that shuttle you were on again.

You don't see him again until the QEC at the FOB.

You don't ask anyone; Coats or Anderson if there is a status on him.

During the QEC conversation you never ask and he never tells you where he got to or who picked him up.

I think he 'could be' alive or dead (depending on conversations) in the cockpit of the downed shuttle... just a ways away from where Shep is buried under the rubble. Maybe?

Plausible, I guess. My only complaint is that it makes us play London all over again, but that doesn't mean it can't be true.
It would be like me saying IT isn't true because then I was shipped an incomplete game. One doesn't necessarily disprove the other.

[Bill Casey]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Could you elaborate? It's late and I don't think I'm understanding.

It is entirely possible the technology at the forward operating base is not using quantum entanglement to transmit data...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 juin 2012 - 05:39 .

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I am torn between partial hallucination, culminating with the beam, which to be honest feels a bit cheap to me, since it makes us question EVERYTHING, and the other possibility I hold is the entirety of London is a hallucination Shepard has while in a comatose state, awaiting medical evac after the shuttle crashed on their way down to deal with the Hades Cannon. 

Why do you feel the beam makes us question everything? Wouldn't it just be an instigator for increased levels of hallucination due to Shepard continuing to get closer to it? and hence sets him over the edge due to sheer proximity to it or during the completely glossed over Mako crash. Which reminds me so much of this in fringe which was glossed over until the season 2 opener shown here.

I must admit that I've never bought into the shuttle crash theory as the evidence supporting it I've always found a little thin but I'm happy to hear why you think it's a possibility.

I never said the BEAM makes us question everthing, the idea that there are a mixture of hallucinations and realtiy is what does, I see it as an excuse to explain bugs and explain away things people don't like, the hallucination should have a fairly clear beginning, a clear divide between reality and hallucination, not this blurring the lines between conciousness and dreaming, it's a thematic thing, the dreams were distinct from reality, everything after Harbinger's beam is distinct from reality, and for the most part, London itself is not, well quite itself; limited scenery, places that are thematic carbon copies of other places, ect.

It just doesn't feel right for "a blurred reality" I say it is either a full blown hallucination, in which Shepard, comatose and unable to move is playing out events in his mind, or it's an augmented reality and NOTHING he sees is real, merely an overlay to something that is real.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel right.

And I never referenced the shuttle crash theory, that's the one that says the hallucination starts when the tank that Anderson and Shepard are in (commonly confused with a shuttle) crashes just prior to the beam run, which, from the way the camera angles were working, didn't feel paticuarly normal or real either.

What I am saying is that Cortez crashed with Shepard and crew inside, the rest of the squad landed, and Shepard, having been sorely wounded in the crash is stuck in the rubble, waiting for medical evac, as his crew dare not move him for fear of making the situation worse. The goodbyes happened, in that every member of the crew took turns watching him and making sure he stayed stable, while the others kept Reaper forces off their backs, defending their wounded commander. Shepard never stepped into London, never brought down a Hades Cannon, and the EC will start with Shepard waking up in a triage center, having either failed or beaten back indoctrination, and then will go on to fight the Reapers in London, Vancouver and Rio as Sword fights in the atmosphere above, and the Crucible is somehow involved.

I could be wrong, but having more missions and a more traditional trench war rather than this climactic final battle feels right for some reason.

augmented reality sounds more like what Hellish and I were thinking of, though I shouldn't presume to speak for him.