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[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Found it:


Wear headphones or turn your speakers up really loud, because its very quiet.

Thanks 

It's REEEEALLY quiet. Any ideas as to what it means? Cause laughter doesn't have anything to do with IT and it didn't sound like the kid. Very strange, still...

I think it's a clue that Shepard is suffering some form of Reaper influence while on the Normandy. We're close to producing some evidence that there is infrasonic noise on the ship too, so that lends some credibility to the idea. I'm also in the process of trying to determine if the laughter increases in frequency as you progress through the game.  

Normally I would be more willing to write it off as ambient noise, but its too suspcious for that. Its barely noticable, never changes volume, and heck, its laughter instead of chit chat. If its ambient, why laughter? 

You mean, increase in volume, right?

No, that's just an English fail. I mean frequency as in how often the laughter occurs, not the pitch of the sound.  Silly English and it's homonyms.... Shame it's the only language I know. 

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

idk if you guys will love or hate this but I just discovered something amazing...ish.
if you play the video Arian linked earlier, the one by Audiomachine and play the Destroy ending scene at the same time the music actually fits well with the scene.  when I put them together and looked at the ending with IT in mind it made the scene feel more epic and victorious.  I know alot of people probably don't want to watch the scene again but just in case you're curious
(I do like the original song from the scene, pretty much the only good part about it.)

EDIT, I forgot to mention that turning the mucis from the scene off as the Audiomachine music goes quieter also helps.

Love it when things just fall into sync like thatl.  Tou should also check out this video Byne made:

 

That song syncs up perfectly with the Synthesis ending. The chorus and verses match the tempo and events of the ending, and my favorite part is where there is a beat and pause as the mass relay locks up, followed by an epic guitar solo while the space magic spreads across the galaxy. 

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Found it:


Wear headphones or turn your speakers up really loud, because its very quiet.

Thanks 

It's REEEEALLY quiet. Any ideas as to what it means? Cause laughter doesn't have anything to do with IT and it didn't sound like the kid. Very strange, still...

I think it's a clue that Shepard is suffering some form of Reaper influence while on the Normandy. We're close to producing some evidence that there is infrasonic noise on the ship too, so that lends some credibility to the idea. I'm also in the process of trying to determine if the laughter increases in frequency as you progress through the game.  

Normally I would be more willing to write it off as ambient noise, but its too suspcious for that. Its barely noticable, never changes volume, and heck, its laughter instead of chit chat. If its ambient, why laughter? 

You mean, increase in volume, right?

No, that's just an English fail. I mean frequency as in how often the laughter occurs, not the pitch of the sound.  Silly English and it's homonyms.... Shame it's the only language I know. 

Yeah, sorry about that, Andromidius was kind enough to point that out. Of course the regularity makes sense.

But if the laughter really does that, then once again, the EMS could be an explaination. The moral seems increasing with the EMS. That of course, would require the laughter regularity to increase with the EMS. That is hard to imagine...but hey who knows how far BioWare went.

[Jadebaby]

So after 12 or so hours on and off spent in other threads trying to educate people about IT, anything new going on in here? Err other than Riot's speculative screenshots?

[paxxton]

@Riot86: What an insightful post you made!

References to the shadows of buildings from Vancouver are all music to my ears and honey on my heart.  It reinforces the idea that Shepard is still lying on the floor in Vancouver HQ and the whole game is happening in his mind. References to other parts of the game in London even further reinforce that idea. In London Shepard's mind is tired (the brain is overheated at that moment) and everything he lived through starts to collapse into a single reality. Different times of the dream weave together to form a subconcious, subliminal framework for London. Partially visible to Shepard because of the deficiencies of human brain which simply cannot process the vast amounts of dreamtime simultaneously.

The Cronos Station mission seems to figuratively present TIM's viewpoint (Control) while London presents Anderson's viewpoint (Destroy). Moreover, London looks like a compilation (Synthesis) of hints pointing to various parts of the game (from the beginning till the end) as if it was meant as a twisted psychedelic ride through Mass Effect 3 (a kind of "refresher" before the final choice has to be made).

Perhaps Cronos Station is also a compilation of sorts. Then both Cronos Station and London would be meant as presenting Synthesis along the respective other viewpoints.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juin 2012 - 10:05 .

[HellishFiend]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So after 12 or so hours on and off spent in other threads trying to educate people about IT, anything new going on in here? Err other than Riot's speculative screenshots?

I've ventured out a few times in the past week with that goal in mind, but it usually just end with me counter trolling the trolls. If you really want to educate people, you just gotta post good info and hope that the lurkers see it and take it to heart rather than following the troll doctrines. Regardless, positive feedback is hard to come by, despite that IT is actually at an all time high in popularity. It just seems to have made the trolls more feisty. 

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

idk if you guys will love or hate this but I just discovered something amazing...ish.
if you play the video Arian linked earlier, the one by Audiomachine and play the Destroy ending scene at the same time the music actually fits well with the scene.  when I put them together and looked at the ending with IT in mind it made the scene feel more epic and victorious.  I know alot of people probably don't want to watch the scene again but just in case you're curious
(I do like the original song from the scene, pretty much the only good part about it.)

EDIT, I forgot to mention that turning the mucis from the scene off as the Audiomachine music goes quieter also helps.

Love it when things just fall into sync like thatl.  Tou should also check out this video Byne made:

 

That song syncs up perfectly with the Synthesis ending. The chorus and verses match the tempo and events of the ending, and my favorite part is where there is a beat and pause as the mass relay locks up, followed by an epic guitar solo while the space magic spreads across the galaxy. 

That's the Space Magic vid right? ya I saw that one.  Pretty hilarious how that song and scene could go together so well.

[Nightingale]

Brilliant post back on page 817, Archer. You make incredibly good points and while it may not be new information, it's nice to see it all in one place

Riot, you're right, things certainly seem off. I can't argue with that, but in your second point, I think the shadow on that building is meant to be the rubble just to Shepard's left (over his shoulder). Unless I'm missing something (I don't think it's exactly accurate either) or I'm just flat out wrong. Anyway, that's just what it looks like to me
Nice catch with that Cerberus logo, too, by the way. I'm always too busy screaming and running from Banshees to look around me. Probably a side effect of always playing on Insanity, rather than something I could pay attention to my surroundings on

As for the comment about Anderson not mentioning the beam after Thessia, the Citadel wasn't moved until Cronos Station, so the beam itself wouldn't have been there yet. This probably is the "something big" he mentioned but what he was doing in London in the first place instead of the smaller areas he said he was keeping to previously, I'm not sure. Does anybody know if he mentions it? Surely it's not just a "I was born here so I'd rather die here too" sort of thing. And while I'm on the topic, someone mentions the Reapers would have had to have started setting the beam up before TIM told them (what was his reasoning for telling them, anyway? If he doesn't realize he's indoctrinated he shouldn't think he'd have reason to tell the enemy...) so any ideas on that?

Modifié par DrTsoni, 16 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[Jadebaby]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So after 12 or so hours on and off spent in other threads trying to educate people about IT, anything new going on in here? Err other than Riot's speculative screenshots?

I've ventured out a few times in the past week with that goal in mind, but it usually just end with me counter trolling the trolls. If you really want to educate people, you just gotta post good info and hope that the lurkers see it and take it to heart rather than following the troll doctrines. Regardless, positive feedback is hard to come by, despite that IT is actually at an all time high in popularity. It just seems to have made the trolls more feisty. 

Agreed, but it's okay, I've said this analogy before...

When you're venturing into the darkness of a cave in search of a bit of light.. expect to find a troll or two. It's about getting passed those trolls to find that light.

The fellowship would have been killed by Balrog had they stopped and tried to fight the trolls.

edit: To be clear, the cave is BSN and the light is well.. Hope.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 16 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[TJBartlemus]

Finally got my theory down about an hour ago. It's my explaination to the strangeness of London and ties in to the IT. I wrote it before Riot86's post with new evidence on London so it doesn't have that yet but I hope to get some of it in if it fits.

Anyway, you guys should check it out. http://social.biowar...87/blog/214072/

Edit: It seems that BSN isn't friendly to changing from Microsoft Word on my computer.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 16 juin 2012 - 09:32 .

[Riot86]

DrTsoni wrote...


Riot, you're right, things certainly seem off. I can't argue with that, but in your second point, I think the shadow on that building is meant to be the rubble just to Shepard's left (over his shoulder). Unless I'm missing something (I don't think it's exactly accurate either) or I'm just flat out wrong. Anyway, that's just what it looks like to me

Trust me, in-game you can clearly see that it is a futuristic skyscraper, as there is also another tower right beside it (thus looking exactly like the twin towers all over Vancouver)

DrTsoni wrote...
Nice catch with that Cerberus logo, too, by the way. I'm always too busy screaming and running from Banshees to look around me. Probably a side effect of always playing on Insanity, rather than something I could pay attention to my surroundings on

Actually, I cleared the area first...there won't come any new enemies until you access the control panel of the first Thanix missle

Modifié par Riot86, 16 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[Starbuck8]

DrTsoni wrote...

*snip*

As for the comment about Anderson not mentioning the beam after Thessia, the Citadel wasn't moved until Cronos Station, so the beam itself wouldn't have been there yet. This probably is the "something big" he mentioned but what he was doing in London in the first place instead of the smaller areas he said he was keeping to previously, I'm not sure. Does anybody know if he mentions it? Surely it's not just a "I was born here so I'd rather die here too" sort of thing. And while I'm on the topic, someone mentions the Reapers would have had to have started setting the beam up before TIM told them (what was his reasoning for telling them, anyway? If he doesn't realize he's indoctrinated he shouldn't think he'd have reason to tell the enemy...) so any ideas on that?

I have also wondered about this. The best speculation I can come up with is that he wanted the Alliance to connect the crucible to the citadel, but needed the reapers and alliance distracted, fighting each other, in order to move in and use it himself. But doesn't make sense that he would think the reapers would just let him hang out and use the crucible to control the reapers. And also, if the part on the citadel is a hallucination, we actually don't know if he's on the citadel, he could be somewhere else entirely...

[Nightingale]

Riot86 wrote...
Trust me, in-game you can clearly see that it is a futuristic skyscraper, as there is also another tower right beside it (thus looking exactly like the twin towers all over Vancouver)

Ah, I see. I did indeed miss something then. Thanks for clearing that up!

Actually, I cleared the area first...there won't come any new enemies until you access the control panel of the first Thanix missle

Oh...now that's actually a good idea

[olshi]

I just finished my second playthrough and I have 4 things to say:

1) I have absolutely no doubt, that everything after Harbinger's beam is a hallucination. It's all the little clues, the inconsistencies, the sound effects, the style... it's so typical.

2) I payed close attetion but I couldn't see any screen bob during the entire game except after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger. Once I was on the Citadel it was gone again. Did I miss something here?

3) When you are on the Citadel and the door to the chasm opens, the room where you came from goes from pretty intense red lighting to a desaturated blue tone - almost black and white. It probably doesn't mean anything, but it seems weird.

4) Why doesn't the game let me look down when I'm on the Citadel?

Modifié par olshi, 16 juin 2012 - 09:42 .

[Starbuck8]

olshi wrote...

I just finished my second playthrough and I have 4 things to say:

1) I have absolutely no doubt, that everything after Harbinger's beam is a hallucination. It's all the little clues, the inconsistencies, the sound effects, the style... it's so typical.

2) I payed close attetion but I couldn't see any screen bob during the entire game except after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger. Once I was on the Citadel it was gone again. Did I miss something here?

3) When you are on the Citadel and the door to the chasm opens, the room where you came from goes from pretty intense red lighting to a desaturated blue tone - almost black and white. It probably doesn't mean anything, but it seems weird.

4) Why doesn't the game let me look down when I'm on the Citadel?

Okay I'm curious about this screen bob inconsistency. I know I got it after leaving the FOB, but I'm pretty sure that it went away after I shut down and reloaded the game later in the Thanix missile area. Did you load the game at any time after leaving the London FOB?

I also was bothered by not being able to look down, like they don't want you to examine your surroundings too closely.

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

*snip*

As for the comment about Anderson not mentioning the beam after Thessia, the Citadel wasn't moved until Cronos Station, so the beam itself wouldn't have been there yet. This probably is the "something big" he mentioned but what he was doing in London in the first place instead of the smaller areas he said he was keeping to previously, I'm not sure. Does anybody know if he mentions it? Surely it's not just a "I was born here so I'd rather die here too" sort of thing. And while I'm on the topic, someone mentions the Reapers would have had to have started setting the beam up before TIM told them (what was his reasoning for telling them, anyway? If he doesn't realize he's indoctrinated he shouldn't think he'd have reason to tell the enemy...) so any ideas on that?

I have also wondered about this. The best speculation I can come up with is that he wanted the Alliance to connect the crucible to the citadel, but needed the reapers and alliance distracted, fighting each other, in order to move in and use it himself. But doesn't make sense that he would think the reapers would just let him hang out and use the crucible to control the reapers. And also, if the part on the citadel is a hallucination, we actually don't know if he's on the citadel, he could be somewhere else entirely...

Right. That seems most likely, since that's pretty much what he did for the rest of the game. They actually might let him hang around, since he's indoctrinated. They won't actually let him do anything and it's good bait for Shepard.
But it still doesn't explain why the Reapers were already setting up, since supposedly TIM was the one that told them the Citadel was the Catalyst. If we assume they knew of the Crucible's existence and that it was based off their own tech/Dark Energy/whatever, I don't think they would have waited so long to take the Citadel. Maybe they were just then learing how far along the Crucible project really was? It makes sense for them to wait from a gameplay standpoint, but I'm really not sure story-wise.

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

olshi wrote...

I just finished my second playthrough and I have 4 things to say:

1) I have absolutely no doubt, that everything after Harbinger's beam is a hallucination. It's all the little clues, the inconsistencies, the sound effects, the style... it's so typical.

2) I payed close attetion but I couldn't see any screen bob during the entire game except after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger. Once I was on the Citadel it was gone again. Did I miss something here?

3) When you are on the Citadel and the door to the chasm opens, the room where you came from goes from pretty intense red lighting to a desaturated blue tone - almost black and white. It probably doesn't mean anything, but it seems weird.

4) Why doesn't the game let me look down when I'm on the Citadel?

Okay I'm curious about this screen bob inconsistency. I know I got it after leaving the FOB, but I'm pretty sure that it went away after I shut down and reloaded the game later in the Thanix missile area. Did you load the game at any time after leaving the London FOB?

I also was bothered by not being able to look down, like they don't want you to examine your surroundings too closely.

I've never tested it much (I will my next playthrough) but I didn't notice the bob much until I was at the Thanix missiles. Aside from the obnoxious AA at the beginning, that is. London really isn't kind to snipers...

[Starbuck8]

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

*snip*

As for the comment about Anderson not mentioning the beam after Thessia, the Citadel wasn't moved until Cronos Station, so the beam itself wouldn't have been there yet. This probably is the "something big" he mentioned but what he was doing in London in the first place instead of the smaller areas he said he was keeping to previously, I'm not sure. Does anybody know if he mentions it? Surely it's not just a "I was born here so I'd rather die here too" sort of thing. And while I'm on the topic, someone mentions the Reapers would have had to have started setting the beam up before TIM told them (what was his reasoning for telling them, anyway? If he doesn't realize he's indoctrinated he shouldn't think he'd have reason to tell the enemy...) so any ideas on that?

I have also wondered about this. The best speculation I can come up with is that he wanted the Alliance to connect the crucible to the citadel, but needed the reapers and alliance distracted, fighting each other, in order to move in and use it himself. But doesn't make sense that he would think the reapers would just let him hang out and use the crucible to control the reapers. And also, if the part on the citadel is a hallucination, we actually don't know if he's on the citadel, he could be somewhere else entirely...

Right. That seems most likely, since that's pretty much what he did for the rest of the game. They actually might let him hang around, since he's indoctrinated. They won't actually let him do anything and it's good bait for Shepard.
But it still doesn't explain why the Reapers were already setting up, since supposedly TIM was the one that told them the Citadel was the Catalyst. If we assume they knew of the Crucible's existence and that it was based off their own tech/Dark Energy/whatever, I don't think they would have waited so long to take the Citadel. Maybe they were just then learing how far along the Crucible project really was? It makes sense for them to wait from a gameplay standpoint, but I'm really not sure story-wise.

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

[Starbuck8]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Finally got my theory down about an hour ago. It's my explaination to the strangeness of London and ties in to the IT. I wrote it before Riot86's post with new evidence on London so it doesn't have that yet but I hope to get some of it in if it fits.

Anyway, you guys should check it out. http://social.biowar...87/blog/214072/

Edit: It seems that BSN isn't friendly to changing from Microsoft Word on my computer.

I do kinda like your theory about the beam as an indoctrination device. Was it you or someone else here who mentioned that the artifact on Aequitas drew people to it and appeared to glow as they became indoctrinated?

[Lord Luc1fer]

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

But why move it at all? Their numbers have gotta be high enough to secure Earth and the Citadel without having to risk someone doing what Shepard does (you know, if any of it was real). Besides, they've proven by coming from dark space without the relays/Citadel that they can move fast enough to claim it right away so it's not like they were just strolling through the galaxy, casually taking planets along the way.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

Nah, the Citadel as a Reaper shipyard? No way. That would be too simple and there's only one Citadel (at least only one that we know of ) so it would have to work 24/7 to build new units. Totally ineffective. But can be done.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Finally got my theory down about an hour ago. It's my explaination to the strangeness of London and ties in to the IT. I wrote it before Riot86's post with new evidence on London so it doesn't have that yet but I hope to get some of it in if it fits.

Anyway, you guys should check it out. http://social.biowar...87/blog/214072/

Edit: It seems that BSN isn't friendly to changing from Microsoft Word on my computer.

I do kinda like your theory about the beam as an indoctrination device. Was it you or someone else here who mentioned that the artifact on Aequitas drew people to it and appeared to glow as they became indoctrinated?

That used to be my favorite theory about the Crucible too, but now we have another, I think it was Raistlin that came up with it, which postulates that maybe it's the device that allows for the Citadel to act as a Relay back to darkspace after the cullings are over. 

That would not only make sense, but it would also give us a way to fight back. If it were an indoctrination device, that would make it significantly harder to actually resolve the story. 

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

Wow, now there's something to think about. That had never occured to me before...