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[olshi]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Okay I'm curious about this screen bob inconsistency. I know I got it after leaving the FOB, but I'm pretty sure that it went away after I shut down and reloaded the game later in the Thanix missile area. Did you load the game at any time after leaving the London FOB?

I also was bothered by not being able to look down, like they don't want you to examine your surroundings too closely.

I died twice during the final battle with those banshees. No bob.

Modifié par olshi, 16 juin 2012 - 10:10 .

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

Lol maybe

But I think its possible given that no one knows about the inner workings of the citadel, plus the mention of protein vats. And the citadel looks like a seed when it's closed. Well it's just my guess

[Lord Luc1fer]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Modifié par Lord Luc1fer, 16 juin 2012 - 10:11 .

[Starbuck8]

olshi wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Okay I'm curious about this screen bob inconsistency. I know I got it after leaving the FOB, but I'm pretty sure that it went away after I shut down and reloaded the game later in the Thanix missile area. Did you load the game at any time after leaving the London FOB?

I also was bothered by not being able to look down, like they don't want you to examine your surroundings too closely.

I died twice during the final battle with those banshees. No bob.

Ah, well I died plenty of times, playing on insanity, but only shutting the game down and loading seemed to get rid of the bob from what I could tell.

[paxxton]

So no one sees my interpretation of Riot86's evidence worth a comment? I tried so hard to put it together.  It's a wall of text (at least I consider it as such)!

paxxton wrote...

@Riot86: What an insightful post you made!

References to the shadows of buildings from Vancouver are all music to my ears and honey on my heart. It reinforces the idea that Shepard is still lying on the floor in Vancouver HQ and the whole game is happening in his mind. References to other parts of the game in London even further reinforce that idea. In London Shepard's mind is tired (the brain is overheated at that moment) and everything he lived through starts to collapse into a single reality. Different times of the dream weave together to form a subconcious, subliminal framework for London. Partially visible to Shepard because of the deficiencies of human brain which simply cannot process the vast amounts of dreamtime simultaneously.

The Cronos Station mission seems to figuratively present TIM's viewpoint (Control) while London presents Anderson's viewpoint (Destroy). Moreover, London looks like a compilation (Synthesis) of hints pointing to various parts of the game (from the beginning till the end) as if it was meant as a twisted psychedelic ride through Mass Effect 3 (a kind of "refresher" before the final choice has to be made).

Perhaps Cronos Station is also a compilation of sorts. Then both Cronos Station and London would be meant as presenting Synthesis along the respective other viewpoints.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juin 2012 - 10:21 .

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

Lol maybe

But I think its possible given that no one knows about the inner workings of the citadel, plus the mention of protein vats. And the citadel looks like a seed when it's closed. Well it's just my guess

Wait. Are you saying the protein vats are somehow used to turn people into liquid to form a Reaper?

Ew.

[deltacypresss]

holy balls its hot outside right now.

On the reapers not taking the citadel. That is one of the things that bothered me most about ME3. Why didn't they attack it and turn all the relays off. Then i thought it might have something to do with the keepers being unable to accept reaper signals anymore. A Reaper seems a little big to fit inside the citadel, and they also don't seem to be the type to use fail safes.

Riot- Similar, yes. Same, no. But similar enough to make me rethink where the major hallucinations start. the door, where is that in london, sorry if it has already been answered, so if it has don't answer i'll find it later.

on laughing in the normandy. my take is that its Shepard hearing the child from Vancouver. laughing. It is so quite it is pretty much subliminal. if bioware wanted it to be background noise of the crew they would have made it a lot more obvious.

I like the idea that hallucinations start before the beam. But going to far back cheapens parts of the game. London being a complete hallucination... no... just no.

[Starbuck8]

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

But why move it at all? Their numbers have gotta be high enough to secure Earth and the Citadel without having to risk someone doing what Shepard does (you know, if any of it was real). Besides, they've proven by coming from dark space without the relays/Citadel that they can move fast enough to claim it right away so it's not like they were just strolling through the galaxy, casually taking planets along the way.

Right. And that reminds me I really wondered how they moved the citadel all the way to earth. Isn't that thing bigger than (or at least as big as) a mass relay? Could a mass relay propel something that big? And then they'd have to get it from Pluto to Earth, that would take years, decades, without FTL. Does the citadel have FTL?

Maybe we're not supposed to think too hard about it, for the story's sake.

[Riot86]

HellishFiend wrote...

That used to be my favorite theory about the Crucible too, but now we have another, I think it was Raistlin that came up with it, which postulates that maybe it's the device that allows for the Citadel to act as a Relay back to darkspace after the cullings are over. 

That would not only make sense, but it would also give us a way to fight back. If it were an indoctrination device, that would make it significantly harder to actually resolve the story. 

I still think the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap...I had some thoughts about it while talking with balance5050 about Javik and some hints at the odds of a conventional victory. Since I feel lazy and don't want to write my thoughts down again, I'll just quote myself

Riot86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

balance 5050 wrote...

Yeah, didnt Javik say that the diverse ways of thinking and fighting all
the different species had was our greatest strength in the war?

He did

Also he said, he didn't put any faith in the Crucible in the Prothean Cicle...he rather trusted his weapons, meaning Javik believed a conventinal victory could have been possible. In his cicle this ultimately failed due to the lack of diversity among the Protheans...but diversity is something this Cicle surely has.

I think his (Javic's) raw emotion helped him to fight indoctrination, no?

I believe they hint at his raw emotions at least playing a part in his survival...which goes hand-in-hand with NOT being indoctrinated of course...so yeah

Another interesting fact about Javik are his similarities to Shepard. On several occasions during the game, it is stated that they have a lot in common. So Javik is the Shepard of the Prothean Cycle so to speak.

So the fact that he, someone who didn't believe in some magic-save-the-day-superweapon, is the ONLY Prothean left might be a hint that the Shepard shouldn't put all his faith in the Crucible, but in himself instead.

I still think there is a possibility that the Crucible is in fact a Reaper-Device. I actually thought about it as some sort of "fail save" for the Reapers: should a cycle ever be strong enough to finish it, then this cycle has proven to be an actuall threat to the Reapers - so the Reapers let them destroy/indoctrinate themselves by using the Crucible.

We know that self-preservation is one of the Reapers' key motives, so it isn't that far fetched, that they have
an emergency plan in case a cycle should get too dangerous. And having a final battle sounds pretty dangerous to me, as I don't believe many  other cycles had even the chance to rally all the fleets. Remember, normally the Reapers would launch a surprise(!) attack from the Citadel, immediately crippling all ways of communication and cutting off Mass  Relay travel.

Modifié par Riot86, 16 juin 2012 - 10:25 .

[Starbuck8]

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

Lol maybe

But I think its possible given that no one knows about the inner workings of the citadel, plus the mention of protein vats. And the citadel looks like a seed when it's closed. Well it's just my guess

Wait. Are you saying the protein vats are somehow used to turn people into liquid to form a Reaper?

Ew.

Yes, maybe

[Lord Luc1fer]

deltacypresss wrote...

 But going to far back cheapens parts of the game.

This.
I'm a strong IT supporter but the issue I have with interpreting too much of the tenuous links as earlier hallucination signals would take any sincerity out of some of the rather poignant farewell scenes. I for one still want to see how the Anderson death scene pans out if IT is confirmed. It's a really emotional scene and simply bringing  Anderson back with no change to that scene would be too much of a soulf*ck (my way of expressing a mindf*ck for the emotions)

[Starbuck8]

deltacypresss wrote...

holy balls its hot outside right now.

On the reapers not taking the citadel. That is one of the things that bothered me most about ME3. Why didn't they attack it and turn all the relays off. Then i thought it might have something to do with the keepers being unable to accept reaper signals anymore. A Reaper seems a little big to fit inside the citadel, and they also don't seem to be the type to use fail safes.

*snip*

Well Sovereign wasn't even as big as the citadel tower.

[Lord Luc1fer]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

[infinite_regress]

Starbuck8 wrote...

olshi wrote...

I just finished my second playthrough and I have 4 things to say:

1) I have absolutely no doubt, that everything after Harbinger's beam is a hallucination. It's all the little clues, the inconsistencies, the sound effects, the style... it's so typical.

2) I payed close attetion but I couldn't see any screen bob during the entire game except after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger. Once I was on the Citadel it was gone again. Did I miss something here?

3) When you are on the Citadel and the door to the chasm opens, the room where you came from goes from pretty intense red lighting to a desaturated blue tone - almost black and white. It probably doesn't mean anything, but it seems weird.

4) Why doesn't the game let me look down when I'm on the Citadel?

Okay I'm curious about this screen bob inconsistency. I know I got it after leaving the FOB, but I'm pretty sure that it went away after I shut down and reloaded the game later in the Thanix missile area. Did you load the game at any time after leaving the London FOB?

I also was bothered by not being able to look down, like they don't want you to examine your surroundings too closely.

This is probably not related at all, but the fact that you couldn't look down reminded me of conversations I have had with people about dreaming, and how some theorize that in order to take control of your dream (induce lucid dreaming) or to recognize that you are dreaming is to look down at your hands, which some have argued is difficult to do and takes practice. Can you look down in the dream sequences? I can't seem to remember. 


Edit: just to clarify, these 'theories' I mentioned are not scientific (aka published in psych journals). They are merely ideas others have talked to me about and mentioned online.

Modifié par infinite_regress, 16 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[paxxton]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

Yes, it was. Though it's unclear what he is refering to in this tweet. It'd be great if it was the EC.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juin 2012 - 10:23 .

[Lord Luc1fer]

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

Yes, it was. Though it's unclear what he is refering to in this tweet. It'd be great if it was the EC.

I think we can apply the same logic as with the priestly quote and assume he must realise this would be interpreted as EC related even if it wasn't, so he wouldbn't post it unless it actually was actually about the EC

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

But why move it at all? Their numbers have gotta be high enough to secure Earth and the Citadel without having to risk someone doing what Shepard does (you know, if any of it was real). Besides, they've proven by coming from dark space without the relays/Citadel that they can move fast enough to claim it right away so it's not like they were just strolling through the galaxy, casually taking planets along the way.

Right. And that reminds me I really wondered how they moved the citadel all the way to earth. Isn't that thing bigger than (or at least as big as) a mass relay? Could a mass relay propel something that big? And then they'd have to get it from Pluto to Earth, that would take years, decades, without FTL. Does the citadel have FTL?

Maybe we're not supposed to think too hard about it, for the story's sake.

Yes, thinking about things too much does seem to break parts of the story
I didn't even think the Citadel was moveable in that way, so...maybe it's got hidden Reaper tech that enables it to move as fast as they do? You're right, I can't see how it would fit through a Relay. Think they just threw on a giant backpack and carried it?


And about the protein vats..."Soylent green is people!" anyone?

[paxxton]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

Yes, it was. Though it's unclear what he is refering to in this tweet. It'd be great if it was the EC.

I think we can apply the same logic as with the priestly quote and assume he must realise this would be interpreted as EC related even if it wasn't, so he wouldbn't post it unless it actually was actually about the EC

That's indeed a very reassuring logic.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees my interpretation of Riot86's evidence worth a comment? I tried so hard to put it together.  It's a wall of text (at least I consider it as such)!

paxxton wrote...

@Riot86: What an insightful post you made!

References to the shadows of buildings from Vancouver are all music to my ears and honey on my heart. It reinforces the idea that Shepard is still lying on the floor in Vancouver HQ and the whole game is happening in his mind. References to other parts of the game in London even further reinforce that idea. In London Shepard's mind is tired (the brain is overheated at that moment) and everything he lived through starts to collapse into a single reality. Different times of the dream weave together to form a subconcious, subliminal framework for London. Partially visible to Shepard because of the deficiencies of human brain which simply cannot process the vast amounts of dreamtime simultaneously.

The Cronos Station mission seems to figuratively present TIM's viewpoint (Control) while London presents Anderson's viewpoint (Destroy). Moreover, London looks like a compilation (Synthesis) of hints pointing to various parts of the game (from the beginning till the end) as if it was meant as a twisted psychedelic ride through Mass Effect 3 (a kind of "refresher" before the final choice has to be made).

Perhaps Cronos Station is also a compilation of sorts. Then both Cronos Station and London would be meant as presenting Synthesis along the respective other viewpoints.

Sorry paxxton but I dont think you'll find much support for the idea that Shepard never got up from getting knocked down in Vancouver.... Too many unpleasant implications...

Modifié par HellishFiend, 16 juin 2012 - 10:28 .

[Lord Luc1fer]

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

Yes, it was. Though it's unclear what he is refering to in this tweet. It'd be great if it was the EC.

I think we can apply the same logic as with the priestly quote and assume he must realise this would be interpreted as EC related even if it wasn't, so he wouldbn't post it unless it actually was actually about the EC

That's indeed a very reassuring logic.

reassuring logic is pretty much what IT is built of. Talk of building blocks, look at this quote pyramid! It's only small, so if we stop quoting it now Starbinger will only destroy a small franchise, like angry birds..

[MaximizedAction]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

Yes, it was. Though it's unclear what he is refering to in this tweet. It'd be great if it was the EC.

I think we can apply the same logic as with the priestly quote and assume he must realise this would be interpreted as EC related even if it wasn't, so he wouldbn't post it unless it actually was actually about the EC

Don't want to be the crusher of hopes and dreams, but Chris also posted a tweet back during eastern with an inuendo, that if read within the ME3 context, connected Shepard's fate at the end of ME3 with Jesus's resurrection.

My hopes were raised, only to be once more slowly and painfully crushed. So I hesitate to take his tweets too serious.

[Lord Luc1fer]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees my interpretation of Riot86's evidence worth a comment? I tried so hard to put it together.  It's a wall of text (at least I consider it as such)!

paxxton wrote...

@Riot86: What an insightful post you made!

References to the shadows of buildings from Vancouver are all music to my ears and honey on my heart. It reinforces the idea that Shepard is still lying on the floor in Vancouver HQ and the whole game is happening in his mind. References to other parts of the game in London even further reinforce that idea. In London Shepard's mind is tired (the brain is overheated at that moment) and everything he lived through starts to collapse into a single reality. Different times of the dream weave together to form a subconcious, subliminal framework for London. Partially visible to Shepard because of the deficiencies of human brain which simply cannot process the vast amounts of dreamtime simultaneously.

The Cronos Station mission seems to figuratively present TIM's viewpoint (Control) while London presents Anderson's viewpoint (Destroy). Moreover, London looks like a compilation (Synthesis) of hints pointing to various parts of the game (from the beginning till the end) as if it was meant as a twisted psychedelic ride through Mass Effect 3 (a kind of "refresher" before the final choice has to be made).

Perhaps Cronos Station is also a compilation of sorts. Then both Cronos Station and London would be meant as presenting Synthesis along the respective other viewpoints.

Sorry paxxton but I dont think you'll find much support for the idea that Shepard never got up from getting knocked down in Vancouver.... Too many unpleasant implications...

.... Problematic

[HellishFiend]

infinite_regress wrote...

This is probably not related at all, but the fact that you couldn't look down reminded me of conversations I have had with people about dreaming, and how some theorize that in order to take control of your dream (induce lucid dreaming) or to recognize that you are dreaming is to look down at your hands, which some have argued is difficult to do and takes practice. Can you look down in the dream sequences? I can't seem to remember. 


Edit: just to clarify, these 'theories' I mentioned are not scientific (aka published in psych journals). They are merely ideas others have talked to me about and mentioned online.

Could very well be related. Moving slowly is another symptom of dreaming. Maybe there are other symptoms too?

[Lord Luc1fer]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Is the wait nearly up?

https://twitter.com/...780625507880960

This was posted yesterday and is consistent with Priestly's 'trolling'

Bumping as it's a nice tidbit

Shameless 2nd bump as Gamble clearly states they're nearly there, apologies if this has been posted and i missed it

Yes, it was. Though it's unclear what he is refering to in this tweet. It'd be great if it was the EC.

I think we can apply the same logic as with the priestly quote and assume he must realise this would be interpreted as EC related even if it wasn't, so he wouldbn't post it unless it actually was actually about the EC

Don't want to be the crusher of hopes and dreams, but Chris also posted a tweet back during eastern with an inuendo, that if read within the ME3 context, connected Shepard's fate at the end of ME3 with Jesus's resurrection.

My hopes were raised, only to be once more slowly and painfully crushed. So I hesitate to take his tweets too serious.

Like the Hardest. Day. Ever. Tweet?

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one sees my interpretation of Riot86's evidence worth a comment? I tried so hard to put it together.  It's a wall of text (at least I consider it as such)!

paxxton wrote...

@Riot86: What an insightful post you made!

References to the shadows of buildings from Vancouver are all music to my ears and honey on my heart. It reinforces the idea that Shepard is still lying on the floor in Vancouver HQ and the whole game is happening in his mind. References to other parts of the game in London even further reinforce that idea. In London Shepard's mind is tired (the brain is overheated at that moment) and everything he lived through starts to collapse into a single reality. Different times of the dream weave together to form a subconcious, subliminal framework for London. Partially visible to Shepard because of the deficiencies of human brain which simply cannot process the vast amounts of dreamtime simultaneously.

The Cronos Station mission seems to figuratively present TIM's viewpoint (Control) while London presents Anderson's viewpoint (Destroy). Moreover, London looks like a compilation (Synthesis) of hints pointing to various parts of the game (from the beginning till the end) as if it was meant as a twisted psychedelic ride through Mass Effect 3 (a kind of "refresher" before the final choice has to be made).

Perhaps Cronos Station is also a compilation of sorts. Then both Cronos Station and London would be meant as presenting Synthesis along the respective other viewpoints.

Sorry paxxton but I dont think you'll find much support for the idea that Shepard never got up from getting knocked down in Vancouver.... Too many unpleasant implications...

Wasn't there a theory running for a while that Shepard's still out cold on the Normandy after being hit by the Prothean beacon way back in ME1 and that pretty much everything that's happened over the course of the series was actually just in his/her head? I suppose if that's possible, this is, though neither seem likely to me. Sorry