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[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

So I'm idling on the crew deck of the Normandy at the first opportunity (after the first dream), and I'm getting the laughter about once or twice a minute. I'm also noticing what sounds like a nearly ultrasonic whine every couple of minutes or so. Its really hard to hear, but definitely there. It sounds sort of like an old CRT TV. (For those who dont know, CRT TV's used tech that would cause a super high frequency whine near the upper edge of the acoustic range that only some people with sensitive hearing can hear and sometimes even "feel")

CRTs are an abomination!

Lol oh yeah I hate that sound.

Btw hellish, where are you standing on the crew deck? I always would hear the laughter kinda outside of Liara's door. The ambient noise on the Normandy shifts so much from one area to the next even on the same deck.

In this case I was standing right outside the elevator. But I've heard it standing further down the hallway, though. I'll try it in different spots. 

[HellishFiend]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Okay, I kind of need ITers help with this.

When ME3 first came out there was a promotional picture used on the xbox dashboard  feed.

It looked relatively similiar to the picture below, except Shepard had flaming red eyes and there were Reapers directly behind him, almost looking as though he was working with the Reapers.



At first I thought it was be easy to find, however after searching google for about an hour I can't find the picture anywhere.

Can anyone help? Or does anyone who plays on xbox or even pc, know what pic I am talking about?

Doesnt sound like anything I ever saw, unfortunately. 

[HellishFiend]

By the way, it's crazy to see so many people complaining about CRTs like if they were never ubiquitous. You guys are making me feel old.   

Modifié par HellishFiend, 16 juin 2012 - 11:13 .

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

So I'm idling on the crew deck of the Normandy at the first opportunity (after the first dream), and I'm getting the laughter about once or twice a minute. I'm also noticing what sounds like a nearly ultrasonic whine every couple of minutes or so. Its really hard to hear, but definitely there. It sounds sort of like an old CRT TV. (For those who dont know, CRT TV's used tech that would cause a super high frequency whine near the upper edge of the acoustic range that only some people with sensitive hearing can hear and sometimes even "feel")

CRTs are an abomination!

The only thing I miss about CRT's is the responsiveness. A CRT could display an image the very instant it was received. Newer TVs have slight delays that are sometimes problematic for games. I dont miss the high pitched whine, though it didnt usually bother me. I even thought it was kinda cool that I could "hear" when a TV was on even if it wasnt making any sound. 

The last time I used a CRT on a regular basis was 6 years ago. I don't remember the sound but maybe it's because I heard only the loud noise of fans in the PC chassis. Though I remember a noise resembling the sound of electricity flowing through a wire after I turned off my computer.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juin 2012 - 11:22 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

The last time I used an CRT on a regular basis was 6 years ago. I don't remember the sound but maybe it's because I heard only the loud noise of fans in the PC chassis. Though I remember a sound resembling electric flow through a wire after I turned off my computer.

I'm not sure what the percentages are but I do know that not everyone can hear the whine of a CRT, so you might have just been lucky in that regard. In my case, it wasnt too big of a problem because it was easily drowned out if there was actually anything on the TV. But like I just said in my previous post, CRTs used to be ubiquitous, so people didnt have a choice but to tolerate them. :happy:

[HellishFiend]

Anyway, back to the subject, if anyone has sensitive hearing, try listening to the crew deck with the volume up and let me know if you also hear a high pitched whine every couple of minutes.

[ZeogYoru vas Tasi]

That feeling, when you find an audio log of a Quarian who's about to die, and she says "Jona, stay strong for Daddy sweetie, Mommy loves you very much!-" and then she gets killed.

And then you find a dying Quarian in ME3, who says with his last dying breath "And tell my son... Tell my son, his Father, made it to the home world..."

It's that realization, that you heard the last words of both Jona's parents, and now Jona has no parents :c

Damn, this series is so hard on you.

Anyway, any new evidence for the IT?

[HellishFiend]

 Just had to share that feeling, didnt you? 

edit: Oh, and to answer your question, we've uncovered a lot of evidence over the past few days that is implicating events and locations as far back as Cronos station as possibly a partial hallucination.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 16 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[Sajuro]

ZeogYoru vas Tasi wrote...

That feeling, when you find an audio log of a Quarian who's about to die, and she says "Jona, stay strong for Daddy sweetie, Mommy loves you very much!-" and then she gets killed.

And then you find a dying Quarian in ME3, who says with his last dying breath "And tell my son... Tell my son, his Father, made it to the home world..."

It's that realization, that you heard the last words of both Jona's parents, and now Jona has no parents :c

Damn, this series is so hard on you.

Anyway, any new evidence for the IT?

It was then I realized that the universe has it out for Jona.

[HellishFiend]

 Anyone ever notice that the cigarettes at the poker table are lit? 

There's another strange semi-high frequency hum when you approach the poker table, too. 

[BleedingUranium]

Sajuro wrote...

ZeogYoru vas Tasi wrote...

That feeling, when you find an audio log of a Quarian who's about to die, and she says "Jona, stay strong for Daddy sweetie, Mommy loves you very much!-" and then she gets killed.

And then you find a dying Quarian in ME3, who says with his last dying breath "And tell my son... Tell my son, his Father, made it to the home world..."

It's that realization, that you heard the last words of both Jona's parents, and now Jona has no parents :c

Damn, this series is so hard on you.

Anyway, any new evidence for the IT?

It was then I realized that the universe has it out for Jona.

I remember both, but hadn't put that together  There's a lot of this in ME

[deltacypresss]

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, it's crazy to see so many people complaining about CRTs like if they were never ubiquitous. You guys are making me feel old.   

A larg CRT television fell on me when i was a child. Although i did take it with me to college and had fun explaining where the dent came from.


However. CRTs can get a much better resolution than LCDs. at least they used to.


This is as Off Topic as im going to get now. bbl if anything interesting comes up.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Okay, I kind of need ITers help with this.

When ME3 first came out there was a promotional picture used on the xbox dashboard  feed.

It looked relatively similiar to the picture below, except Shepard had flaming red eyes and there were Reapers directly behind him, almost looking as though he was working with the Reapers.



At first I thought it was be easy to find, however after searching google for about an hour I can't find the picture anywhere.

Can anyone help? Or does anyone who plays on xbox or even pc, know what pic I am talking about?

Doesnt sound like anything I ever saw, unfortunately. 

Not sure if I've seen it. Sounds badass, though. I would love to have the option to join the Reapers 

[MaximizedAction]

Wall of text incoming. Sorry..but...have to...comment...argh:

paxxton wrote...

@Riot86: What an insightful post you made!

References to the shadows of buildings from Vancouver are all music to my ears and honey on my heart.  It reinforces the idea that Shepard is still lying on the floor in Vancouver HQ and the whole game is happening in his mind. References to other parts of the game in London even further reinforce that idea. In London Shepard's mind is tired (the brain is overheated at that moment) and everything he lived through starts to collapse into a single reality. Different times of the dream weave together to form a subconcious, subliminal framework for London. Partially visible to Shepard because of the deficiencies of human brain which simply cannot process the vast amounts of dreamtime simultaneously.

The Cronos Station mission seems to figuratively present TIM's viewpoint (Control) while London presents Anderson's viewpoint (Destroy). Moreover, London looks like a compilation (Synthesis) of hints pointing to various parts of the game (from the beginning till the end) as if it was meant as a twisted psychedelic ride through Mass Effect 3 (a kind of "refresher" before the final choice has to be made).

Perhaps Cronos Station is also a compilation of sorts. Then both Cronos Station and London would be meant as presenting Synthesis along the respective other viewpoints.

While I hesitate to believe that everything that happened in the game is a hallucination, I don't have a problem imagining a scenario like the Futurama one where Lila gets stabbed by a spacebee and starts having weird hallucinations, and the revelation of that: priceless.

So if ME3 is going to go with something similar -- and that last DatapadApp message you get from the VS certainly doesn't exclude the possibility that certain stages that we played in ME3 are recapitulations of Shep's mind. IMO, it did all happen, the invasion, the priority missions, but the way we witness it, it could be Shep lying in the hospital/brig, going through all that again.
It would also fit within the way we as players playing through the game over and over again, while the ARG Reaper war seems to progress in stages suggested in the MP, even though we all thought we defeated the Reapers in SP. Who knows, that Aequitas 'bug' Megumi tried to analyse also points towards the direction that somehow the number of playthroughs seems to alter something. And that only makes sense if Shepard is not really going through all of the war, but only in his mind.

So, I don't know if it wouldn't be too cheapening for BioWare to let Shepard lie on the ground in Vancouver HQ after the hit and nothing about the war we saw was real, but he might certainly be lying somewhere after having gone through everything.

But that's just my version of your approach.

And yes, of course, Cronos and London, from a story-smithing p.o.v. represent TIM and Anderson respectively. That Anderson even told to us that he was born in London, it clearly goes personal here. But that could also be just the characters representing those locations and vica verse. Remember, it's just a story, not reality. In a story, not matter if intended surreal or not, the author always designs interpretable connections that real world scenarios seldomly have. Or in other words, yeah, TIM and Anderson do seem like personifications of those missions, but that doesn't mean that this has to have more bearing to it.

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Okay, I kind of need ITers help with this.

When ME3 first came out there was a promotional picture used on the xbox dashboard  feed.

It
looked relatively similiar to the picture below, except Shepard had
flaming red eyes and there were Reapers directly behind him, almost
looking as though he was working with the Reapers. He also had his hand
by
his side tensing as if to say "the world was in his hands". This second
pic tries to illustrate this, I couldn't find a better one so forgive
me.

This is awesome. To my shame, I've never thought about the intention behind the designer choosing to represent Shepard in a powerful position. Yeah, on the cover of ME3 he seems like walking away from Earth, while it's being attacked, abandoning it, but ready to fight.
This pic however is different. It clearly shows him almost like the leader of the Reapers. To someone unfamiliar with the ME story, this can very easily seem that way.
Thanks for posting that and maybe we'll find the real pic.

HellishFiend wrote...

Anyway, back to the subject, if
anyone has sensitive hearing, try listening to the crew deck with the
volume up and let me know if you also hear a high pitched whine every
couple of minutes.

Yeah, I noticed it.
I'm happy that I still can hear those frequencies, but that's probably soon stop, as your upper limit decreases with age.
And I too can hear those CRT TV 'on' sounds. I love that, we still have two of those. But I'm glad the CRT computer monitors have gone away, one wrong frequency setting and it's like my eyes and ears are about to bleed. LCDs don't really allow too much freedom on repeat rate settings.

Oh man, I've tried so many cool things with those analog devices. Earth the CRT screen, touch the radio antenna and make the signal improve with my secret super powers  .

Ah...good times.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[Rifneno]

Hey guys. Been caught up in MP for the past 4 or 5 days. I miss anything major?

But I think its possible given that no one knows about the inner workings of the citadel, plus the mention of protein vats. And the citadel looks like a seed when it's closed.

I recall a while back someone said that the Collector Base looks similar to the Citadel when it's closed. I never got around to comparing them, but maybe the Collector Base was an old, obsolete Citadel?

On the reapers not taking the citadel. That is one of the things that bothered me most about ME3. Why didn't they attack it and turn all the relays off. Then i thought it might have something to do with the keepers being unable to accept reaper signals anymore. A Reaper seems a little big to fit inside the citadel, and they also don't seem to be the type to use fail safes.

Perhaps that's why Cerberus was attempting their coup. We never did get a satisfactory explanation for that.

I like the idea that hallucinations start before the beam. But going to far back cheapens parts of the game. London being a complete hallucination... no... just no.

Anything after Rannoch is fair game IMO. Nothing really important would be cheapened by undoing London. The only part of Cronos Station that mattered was Kei Leng's death.

I still think the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap...

I'll consider it a plot hole if it isn't. There's no frickin' way the Reapers would screw up their cleanup and leave the plans for that omniweapon behind every cycle for millions of years. They clean up thoroughly enough that cycles don't even know what happened to the previous one, they just poofed into thin air like the goddamn dwemer.

I dont think that was ever a legit theory that anyone believed, just a joke....

(in reference to the "hallucination starts on Eden Prime in ME1)
You'd be surprised. I saw that idiotic theory only a few hundred pages into the first thread. Some may be joking with it, but not all are.

That feeling, when you find an audio log of a Quarian who's about to die, and she says "Jona, stay strong for Daddy sweetie, Mommy loves you very much!-" and then she gets killed.

And then you find a dying Quarian in ME3, who says with his last dying breath "And tell my son... Tell my son, his Father, made it to the home world..."

It's that realization, that you heard the last words of both Jona's parents, and now Jona has no parents :c

Damn, this series is so hard on you.

I got another one for you. That soldier on the Citadel that wants to fight Reapers instead of Cerberus because she's afraid her brother joined Cerberus? If you match up the names and notes, Shepard killed her indoctrinated brother on the Sanctum mission. And of course, there's the most well known and horrifying one, that the asari commando in counseling was talking about Joker's family.

Anyway, back to the "Crucible is a trap" theory. The problem many point out with it is that then we have no way to beat the Reapers. Because yes, conventional victory is retardedly unlikely. Allow me to revive a theory I posted in the original thread: we destroy the Reapers by ramming them with starships at FTL.

Background
In the codex The Reaper War/Desperate Measures, it's discussed that a single ship moving at FTL would, and I quote, obliterate a Reaper capital ship if it hit. The problem is that FTL tech has hard-wired safety features that scan to make sure there's no objects in the intended flight path to prevent collisions. This FTL tech was designed by the Reapers. Why would the Reapers put such near-unbreakable protection on the tech if they didn't think that it would be a danger to them? It's not like they care about organics' lives.

How is it possible?
Being a Cerberus Daily News nerd, I instantly recalled that a turian terrorist group successfully hacked the FTL tech and used a ship as a weapon against the capital of Taetrus, Vallum. We only need to find out how they did it. It's very suspicious that the codex mentions of using FTL as a weapon gloss over Taetrus. The only reason I can see why the "armchair generals" forgot about what was the Mass Effect world's equivalent of 9/11 is if it's a coming plot point they want to keep under wraps. This wouldn't be the first time CDN gave us a Chekhov's Mass Accelerator Cannon. Plot points like the Mars achieve and Kalros also made their first appearance there.

What kind of... damage are we talking?
Hard to be even ballpark, but more than enough to destroy the Reapers. The ship used to kamakazi Vallum was only begining FTL and experts said it was very mild compared to what could have been. That "mild" blast left a crater 5 kilometers wide. What do you think it'll do to a Reaper capital ship? Keep in mind that the codex also tells us that even Reapers can't track objects moving at FTL, meaning they cannot possibly prepare for impact. They can't strengthen their barriers for the split second of impact because unlike conventional mass accelerator rounds they can't anticipate the attack. Likely their barriers will be completely useless against a ship moving at FTL. Refer to Sovereign to see how well Reapers can take damage when their shields are out of the picture.

I leave you with these foreshadowing final words of Emily Wong: "I'll show you how a human dies... at ramming speed!"

[HellishFiend]

*is crushed by the massive weight of 2 walls of text*

please...finish...my playthrough...for me....

*bleeds out*

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 12:03 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Gasp! What if in the EC after the reapers are destroyed, if you happen to be romancing Tali, you can have the chance to adopt Jona and live on rannoch with Tali and Jona as a family! Perfect ending!

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yeah, I noticed it.
I'm happy that I still can hear those frequencies, but that's probably soon stop, as your upper limit decreases with age.
And I too can hear those CRT TV 'on' sounds. I love that, we still have two of those. But I'm glad the CRT computer monitors have gone away, one wrong frequency setting and it's like my eyes and ears are about to bleed. LCDs don't really allow too much freedom on repeat rate settings.

Oh man, I've tried so many cool things with those analog devices. Earth the CRT screen, touch the radio antenna and make the signal improve with my secret super powers  .

Ah...good times.

I miss degaussing my 17 inch crt computer monitor. 

Thanks for corroborating that sound for me. Might be worth analyzing with that software to see if any of it goes up into the inaudible range. 

[Rifneno]

HellishFiend wrote...

*is crushed by the massive weight of 2 walls of text*

please...finish...my playthrough...for me....

*bleeds out*

Nah.
*sits down and opens a book*
...  Stop bleeding on the carpet, please.

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys. Been caught up in MP for the past 4 or 5 days. I miss anything major?

We've been uncovering plenty of evidence to suggest partial and/or full hallucination that starts possibly as early as Cronos station. It seems to get worse the further along you get, up to the point where it seems like even the run to the beam is a full hallucination. 

Videos summarizing the evidence should be forthcoming over the next week. 

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

*is crushed by the massive weight of 2 walls of text*

please...finish...my playthrough...for me....

*bleeds out*

Nah.
*sits down and opens a book*
...  Stop bleeding on the carpet, please.

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno, check out this post specifically, its probably the biggest finding we've had so far in the past few weeks.

http://social.biowar...32/771#12581175

[ZerebusPrime]

Continuing my playthrough of ME3 ever so slowly and found what I think is the first real mention of London being important.

Specialist Traynor's parents are there. She mentions it when you talk to her for the second time (first time by the Galaxy map, when asked about family). In the same conversation, Shepard may point out that there are people alive on Earth (implicitly in London specifically) who are waiting to be saved.

Quick! Someone do an infrasonic scan of Traynor's scenes!!!





I kid.

Ok, off to Eden Prime.

EDIT: I apparently have been hearing things that have not been said.  Her parents are in the Traverse.  Her friends are in London.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 17 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[ZerebusPrime]

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno, check out this post specifically, its probably the biggest finding we've had so far in the past few weeks.

http://social.biowar...32/771#12581175

And it happened right after my own big post, dooming me to continued obscurity. 

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, well, it was always strange that they left the citadel alone for so long. I would think they'd attack it around the same time as earth, palaven, thessia, etc. Perhaps they were putting off capturing the citadel (for some reason) but always planned to take it to earth eventually (I think they may use it to grow a new reaper inside). Once learning of the crucible, they accelerated their plans to secure the crucible...?

I kinda tend not to believe that they're planning on making a Reaper at the Citadel. Wouldnt the facility for making a Reaper be too large to hide? Heck, maybe that's what the Crucible is for. 

lol - thats what I joked about a few hundred pages ago... We were talking about it being a trap and I'm like... crap. Did we all just make a Reaper womb?