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[FellishBeast]

This keeps coming to mind from reading all this:

"Would you rather die a good man, or live as a monster?"

Kudos if you get the reference

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

I thought there was going to be more interest in RSDT upon publication.

EDIT: Maybe later...

Oh paxxton...

[Rifneno]

munnellyladt wrote...

Idont get why she's being indoctrinated.
she doesn't affect you in anyway so what does it........
hold on i just thought of something,if she's being indoctrinated does that mean her baby is being indoctrinated?

This should be a webcomic.  Little Timmy the Indoctrinated Baby.  "Must obey Reaper masters.  Must obey Reaper m--Oooo, candy!"

[ZerebusPrime]

Ok, I can't take screenshots because I'm playing on the Xbox 360 and don't have one of those pricey video capture modules like I did in the good ol' days.

That said, I'm on Eden Prime in the day one dlc. I just encountered one of those surreal read and blue pictures on the wall of an apartment. Reused asset, surely, but this proves that they're not just in the London mission.

[paxxton]

FellishBeast wrote...

This keeps coming to mind from reading all this:

"Would you rather die a good man, or live as a monster?"

Kudos if you get the reference

Either way you wouldn't know what you have become.

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I thought there was going to be more interest in RSDT upon publication.

EDIT: Maybe later...

Oh paxxton...

Oh Starbuck8...

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 02:12 .

[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...

@Salient Archer: Have you posted that wall of text you announced a few days ago?

I sure did post a wall of text, last night when it was really quiet. I am currently working on a new wall'o'text® but this time based around the idea of the citadel being a mass indoctrination device...

Last night WoT® can be found here: http://social.biowar...32/817#12603654

Modifié par Salient Archer, 17 juin 2012 - 05:28 .

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Any thoughts on the Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)?

I cant get behind any theory that suggests the entirety of ME3 didnt actually occur, but I would be open to the idea that Shepard experiences increasing amounts of waking hallucinations throughout the game, and that it starts to peak beginning with Cronos. We dont have much evidence to support the idea that there are any hallucinations prior to the Rannoch destroyer, though. 

I think that would be another attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, regardless. Shepard even says it in a conversation with EDI that anybody that comes into contact with a Reaper is going to be indoctrinated.

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Salient Archer: Have you posted that wall of text you announced a few days ago?

I sure did post a wall of text, last night when it was really quiet; but this I'm currently working on a new wall'o'text based around the idea of the citadel being a mass indoctrination device.

Last nights came be found here: http://social.biowar...32/817#12603654

Very well. Speaking of walls of text check out my new theory!

http://social.biowar...32/827#12611367

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 02:20 .

[TJBartlemus]

deltacypresss wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I asked this question once before...but has anyone not proved that after an amount of time next to reaper devices that even after being away from them it continues to manifest itself in your mind?

Yes, the process perpetuates itself by constant repetition of Reaper ideas. The victim thinks about them, analyzes them and then accepts them.

But husks are mindless and still obey Reapers even when not in the presence of. Anyway, if what you say is true then it does manifest it's self cause somepart of your brain (subconscous) would accept it then it would spread like a disease. It would manifest because you would think it was your ideas but really it was the reapers who planted the original idea. Just look at Inception. It''s possible.

It's because real husks are injected with nanides. They can't resist obeying the Reapers.

Indoctrination (according to my other theory - UNIT) is also based on nanide technology but is much slower than Dragon's Tooth method.

Well indoctrination is also infrasnic noise which could spread the idea to your subconsious.

Problem with this is shep is in armor. also, it is way too dark to be day time, even indoors.

Paxxton, i find that interesting but in my opinion taking things a little too far with too little evidence.

If you look hard enough for something, you will find it. that doesn't mean it is real though. thats just a general messege for everyone in the thread.

Well, this conversation was quite different from his theory. It was a seperate one that I was getting evidence for my own theory or future possibilities. Might have been smarter to quote the correct conversation to reference to. (about giving evidence to prove his theory in another conversation earlier)  Also I am only being kind to Paxton cause no one else seems to be talking about his theory. Same is happening with WNT and I want to be kind. I don't support his theory personally, I just like debating about it. This way he can improve it into something I could support. also the daytime/night thing you don't know how long he was out. He did have a dream the length of a game. I also thought about the armor. Sorry Paxxton, but it IS unlikely.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 17 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I thought there was going to be more interest in RSDT upon publication.

EDIT: Maybe later...

Oh paxxton...

Oh Starbuck8...

[FellishBeast]

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I asked this question once before...but has anyone not proved that after an amount of time next to reaper devices that even after being away from them it continues to manifest itself in your mind?

Yes, the process perpetuates itself by constant repetition of Reaper ideas. The victim thinks about them, analyzes them and then accepts them.

But husks are mindless and still obey Reapers even when not in the presence of. Anyway, if what you say is true then it does manifest it's self cause somepart of your brain (subconscous) would accept it then it would spread like a disease. It would manifest because you would think it was your ideas but really it was the reapers who planted the original idea. Just look at Inception. It''s possible.

I think that's more or less the point of the current ending. The Starchild is limiting your options to the three he presents you with and the whole charade is so overwhelming you accept those as your only options.

I mean look at all the people defending control and synthesis. Some people will accept what is given to them, and the Reapers seem to manipulate one's perception of reality and blocks out most of the options. If they stray from the intended course, maybe the Reapers grip them tighter and take more of their free will away.

Remember when those who have been indoctrinated try to resist and do something out of the Reapers' will? Saren, the Illusive Man, they both seemed to suffer instantaneous, piercing headaches, like punishment and as if the Reapers are tightening their grip on their mind. The less they resist, the more useful they are, as they maintain most of their sanity.

So I'm thinking that for special cases (Saren, TIM, Shepard) the Reapers go through seemingly great lengths to convince their potential pawn that what they are doing is the ONLY option, so they don't even try to resist and by doing so force the Reapers to damage their intellect and charisma. I'd be willing to bet both Saren and TIM had an experience similar to Shepard's in the ending. Maybe not so dramatic, but you know...something that changed the way they saw things, since they both accepted options that were presented to Shepard.

This was just meant to be the first few sentences...but I started pooping out my mouth, sorry! 

Edit: Actually, when I was thinking of examples of indoctrinated people, I originally thought of that guy you meet on Feros who seems to be going crazy and having terrible headaches. But then I remembered he was being controlled by the Thorian. Has anyone considered the similarities between the Reapers and the Thorian? I've always wondered if it was more important to the overarching plot than we thought. It was a pretty epic and powerful creature, that seemed to have very Reaper-like capabilities, like an organic Reaper. It even sort of had the look...sort of. *grasping* 

Modifié par FellishBeast, 17 juin 2012 - 02:30 .

[deltacypresss]

woah i totally quoted the wrong post. how the heck...


editL woah... organic reaper. failed reaper experiment maybe? spores the equivilent of nanides? man i wish i played ME1.

Modifié par deltacypresss, 17 juin 2012 - 03:13 .

[FellishBeast]

deltacypresss wrote...

woah i totally quoted the wrong post. how the heck...


editL woah... organic reaper. failed reaper experiment maybe? spores the equivilent of nanides? man i wish i played ME1.

I'm not sure. I think the Thorian was supposedly an ancient, sentient plant. It was alive during the Protheans cycle and contained the Cypher, I believe. I guess the Reapers didn't see it as a threat?

I've always been fascinated and intimidated by it. It seems like a creature straight out of the original Star Trek, to me x]
But yeah, I want to think it is significant. It definitely had it's own form of "indoctrination." It even turned it's thralls into zombies.

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

woah i totally quoted the wrong post. how the heck...


editL woah... organic reaper. failed reaper experiment maybe? spores the equivilent of nanides? man i wish i played ME1.

I'm not sure. I think the Thorian was supposedly an ancient, sentient plant. It was alive during the Protheans cycle and contained the Cypher, I believe. I guess the Reapers didn't see it as a threat?

I've always been fascinated and intimidated by it. It seems like a creature straight out of the original Star Trek, to me x]
But yeah, I want to think it is significant. It definitely had it's own form of "indoctrination." It even turned it's thralls into zombies.

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

[deltacypresss]

after reading the wiki. the thorian sounds exactlly like an organic reaper. sleeps for thousands of yeas, awekening for a few centuries.  also at least 50 thousand years old. perhaps the protheans were experimenting with making their own reaper. 

 www.gamespot.com/mass-effect/images/user/atJa5hok7hmV4BvgkQ/ to compare the two. im not really seeing a resemblance.

[LazyTechGuy]

Bill Casey wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Is there a link to a video regarding the "screen bob" that's being discussed?

After beam, before beam and weapon bench clips...
www.youtube.com/watch

Whoa, that's trippy.  And that happens without anyone moving the controls?  Interesting that the weapon follows along with the movement, almost as if it's you starting to unravel rather than the "hallucinating scenery" before your eyes. If that's what it is, of course. 

It's pretty cool and a little freaky. Could be an active clue. Could be remnants of the "indoctrinated control" mechanic that BW admittedly abandoned.  Could be something interesting though. 

[Rifneno]

Yeah, the Thorian definitely has some curious similarities. Creepers look and behave a lot like husks too. And let's not forget that the asari there, can't remember her name, is the only known case of someone recovering from indoctrination. She was indoctrinated by Sovereign but the Thorian's lingering spores allowed her to fight it off indefinitely.

[Rifneno]

Starbuck8 wrote...

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

What the hell?  Just because something's unique doesn't mean it should be preserved.  That weed got what it had coming to it.  If there's more of them somewhere... well, that's what we make hydrogen bombs for.

[Starbuck8]

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah, the Thorian definitely has some curious similarities. Creepers look and behave a lot like husks too. And let's not forget that the asari there, can't remember her name, is the only known case of someone recovering from indoctrination. She was indoctrinated by Sovereign but the Thorian's lingering spores allowed her to fight it off indefinitely.

Shiala.  Yeah it's interesting that thorian indoctrination can cancel out reaper indoctrination, at least when around others infected with the spores, part of a collective consciousness.

[Starbuck8]

Rifneno wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

What the hell?  Just because something's unique doesn't mean it should be preserved.  That weed got what it had coming to it.  If there's more of them somewhere... well, that's what we make hydrogen bombs for.

Lol ok, but it seemed like it could have been useful, provide us with more information about past cycles, the reapers, were they came from, how to fight them (possibly using the spores) etc.

[Starbuck8]

deltacypresss wrote...

after reading the wiki. the thorian sounds exactlly like an organic reaper. sleeps for thousands of yeas, awekening for a few centuries.  also at least 50 thousand years old. perhaps the protheans were experimenting with making their own reaper. 

 www.gamespot.com/mass-effect/images/user/atJa5hok7hmV4BvgkQ/ to compare the two. im not really seeing a resemblance.

Oh wow...

[Nightingale]

Rifneno wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

What the hell?  Just because something's unique doesn't mean it should be preserved.  That weed got what it had coming to it.  If there's more of them somewhere... well, that's what we make hydrogen bombs for.

So we should kill them all just for existing? And what if they're not all like the one we encounter in ME1?
Unless of course they (it?) really are the Protheans' failed attempt to "grow their own Reaper." In which case...I'll loan you a grenade

Seriously though, I hadn't considered that before. TIM wanted to do it, so it's reasonable to think the Protheans may have wanted to, as well.

[D.Sharrah]

Not to freak anyone out...but I noticed there was some discussion about different things that seem to follow Shep (like the baby Reaper's eye on Cronos)...I remember seeing somewhere recently that Microsoft is working on a way to improve the software for the Kinect, so that it can actually pinpoint where you are looking by tracking your eye movement...so we actually get to the point very soon where our "entertainment" devices can "follow" out gaze...just saying...

Not to mention that one of the most famous pieces of art ever is famous for that very reason...

[Starbuck8]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Not to freak anyone out...but I noticed there was some discussion about different things that seem to follow Shep (like the baby Reaper's eye on Cronos)...I remember seeing somewhere recently that Microsoft is working on a way to improve the software for the Kinect, so that it can actually pinpoint where you are looking by tracking your eye movement...so we actually get to the point very soon where our "entertainment" devices can "follow" out gaze...just saying...

Not to mention that one of the most famous pieces of art ever is famous for that very reason...

And then it will be able to read lips, find out our secret plan, become paranoid, and try to kill us all!