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[Turbo_J]

FellishBeast wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

woah i totally quoted the wrong post. how the heck...


editL woah... organic reaper. failed reaper experiment maybe? spores the equivilent of nanides? man i wish i played ME1.

I'm not sure. I think the Thorian was supposedly an ancient, sentient plant. It was alive during the Protheans cycle and contained the Cypher, I believe. I guess the Reapers didn't see it as a threat?

I've always been fascinated and intimidated by it. It seems like a creature straight out of the original Star Trek, to me x]
But yeah, I want to think it is significant. It definitely had it's own form of "indoctrination." It even turned it's thralls into zombies.

If you have Shiala alive it sheds a little more light on the nature of the Thorian and the potential that the plant spores could if fact be used in some way to develop a vaccine against Indoctrination. It would be like some sort of receptor blocker.

As for the creepers, they were not actual converted sapiens, they were clones of some sort, similar to the Shiala clone, but based on their limited function, created from memory rather than copied from something inside a sack like Shiala was.

Note on Indoctrination: Info from Legion here is important. There are clues to how human/sapien Indoctrination works based on the info you get from Legion in ME2 on how the Heretics were converted. It's minor alterations to low level programs in the Geth. As you know in the case of mathematical equations, an alteration or error at the every beginning of a process can have dramatic consequences down the road. This can be the same for organic minds. Slight changes in the way a person thinks about certain things can drastically alter their perceptions in the course of months or years. Further more, Reapers don't just push changes of perception along, they also alter the synaptic pathways of the brain making these thought processes permanent. Almost hard coded.

Finding a way to prevent that, undo it, or even using something to bypass it (like what the Genophage cure does for the Krogan, but on a cellular level) could be the key to turning the tide against the Reapers. Without sleeper agents or the ability to sucker people into voluntarily becoming husks, they would have limited fire ground support. It would in a sense be cutting off their supply line and it would removing that demoralization tactical advantage.

[Starbuck8]

DrTsoni wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

What the hell?  Just because something's unique doesn't mean it should be preserved.  That weed got what it had coming to it.  If there's more of them somewhere... well, that's what we make hydrogen bombs for.

So we should kill them all just for existing? And what if they're not all like the one we encounter in ME1?
Unless of course they (it?) really are the Protheans' failed attempt to "grow their own Reaper." In which case...I'll loan you a grenade

Seriously though, I hadn't considered that before. TIM wanted to do it, so it's reasonable to think the Protheans may have wanted to, as well.

Or maybe the thorians designed the first reaper, or the reapers just liked how the thorians looked and copied their style.

[LT123]

Bill Casey wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Is there a link to a video regarding the "screen bob" that's being discussed?

After beam, before beam and weapon bench clips...
www.youtube.com/watch

That's trippy. And here I thought all the really weird stuff didn't start until after the laser hits Shepard.

Edit: The gun stuff (Carnifex switching to M3 Predator) was talked about pages and pages ago, but I thought it was interesting. The M3 Predator is the heavy pistol you start with in ME 2, but does it ever appear in ME 1? I know there's green Predator armor.

Modifié par LT123, 17 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[Nightingale]

Turbo_J wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

deltacypresss wrote...

woah i totally quoted the wrong post. how the heck...


editL woah... organic reaper. failed reaper experiment maybe? spores the equivilent of nanides? man i wish i played ME1.

I'm not sure. I think the Thorian was supposedly an ancient, sentient plant. It was alive during the Protheans cycle and contained the Cypher, I believe. I guess the Reapers didn't see it as a threat?

I've always been fascinated and intimidated by it. It seems like a creature straight out of the original Star Trek, to me x]
But yeah, I want to think it is significant. It definitely had it's own form of "indoctrination." It even turned it's thralls into zombies.

If you have Shiala alive it sheds a little more light on the nature of the Thorian and the potential that the plant spores could if fact be used in some way to develop a vaccine against Indoctrination. It would be like some sort of receptor blocker.

As for the creepers, they were not actual converted sapiens, they were clones of some sort, similar to the Shiala clone, but based on their limited function, created from memory rather than copied from something inside a sack like Shiala was.

Note on Indoctrination: Info from Legion here is important. There are clues to how human/sapien Indoctrination works based on the info you get from Legion in ME2 on how the Heretics were converted. It's minor alterations to low level programs in the Geth. As you know in the case of mathematical equations, an alteration or error at the every beginning of a process can have dramatic consequences down the road. This can be the same for organic minds. Slight changes in the way a person thinks about certain things can drastically alter their perceptions in the course of months or years. Further more, Reapers don't just push changes of perception along, they also alter the synaptic pathways of the brain making these thought processes permanent. Almost hard coded.

Finding a way to prevent that, undo it, or even using something to bypass it (like what the Genophage cure does for the Krogan, but on a cellular level) could be the key to turning the tide against the Reapers. Without sleeper agents or the ability to sucker people into voluntarily becoming husks, they would have limited fire ground support. It would in a sense be cutting off their supply line and it would removing that demoralization tactical advantage.

That's...actually pretty brilliant.

But the problem still remains that, even with time to properly study the effects, we'd have to deal with the Thorian's "indoctrination." Unless you think the spores and Reaper indoctrination would just cancel each other out? Not sure how that would work and while you make indoctrination itself so easy to understand, I'm not quite sure I follow

Edit: By that, I just mean that I thought Shiala was a special case.

Starbuck8 wrote...
Or maybe the thorians designed the first reaper, or the reapers just liked how the thorians looked and copied their style.

Lol, Reaper fashion?

Modifié par DrTsoni, 17 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[Turbo_J]

LT123 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Is there a link to a video regarding the "screen bob" that's being discussed?

After beam, before beam and weapon bench clips...
www.youtube.com/watch

That's trippy. And here I thought all the really weird stuff didn't start until after the laser hits Shepard.

The crap hits the fan as soon as Shep gets knocked across the committee hall at Alliance HQ. Look at the video in my signature.

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

What the hell?  Just because something's unique doesn't mean it should be preserved.  That weed got what it had coming to it.  If there's more of them somewhere... well, that's what we make hydrogen bombs for.

So we should kill them all just for existing? And what if they're not all like the one we encounter in ME1?
Unless of course they (it?) really are the Protheans' failed attempt to "grow their own Reaper." In which case...I'll loan you a grenade

Seriously though, I hadn't considered that before. TIM wanted to do it, so it's reasonable to think the Protheans may have wanted to, as well.

Or maybe the thorians designed the first reaper, or the reapers just liked how the thorians looked and copied their style.

Yeah they both look like alien squittlefish (just made that up. yeah, pretty awesome, I know) to me.

Maybe the Thorian and Reapers are counterparts? Since the Thorian has it's own mind control that counteracts the Reapers? *squints eyes, frowns, and speculates pretty hard*

The first thought that came to mind is that the Thorian was some sort of precursor to the Reapers. It semed like the Thorian could absorb the "essence" of a species (i.e. the Cypher, clones). The Reapers seem to do this but in a much more forceful and destructive way.

Edit: Actually, regarding that last paragraph, that just sounds more like they're counterparts rather than ancestors.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 17 juin 2012 - 03:54 .

[LT123]

Turbo_J wrote...

The crap hits the fan as soon as Shep gets knocked across the committee hall at Alliance HQ. Look at the video in my signature.

I did watch that, actually, and it blew my mind a little bit.  I was mainly referring to everything turning really surreal.

[Turbo_J]

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

There are definitely a lot of similarities. In ME1 throian creepers were pretty much the same as husks. I've always felt bad for killing such an ancient, unique creature. Maybe there are more of them somewhere...

What the hell?  Just because something's unique doesn't mean it should be preserved.  That weed got what it had coming to it.  If there's more of them somewhere... well, that's what we make hydrogen bombs for.

So we should kill them all just for existing? And what if they're not all like the one we encounter in ME1?
Unless of course they (it?) really are the Protheans' failed attempt to "grow their own Reaper." In which case...I'll loan you a grenade

Seriously though, I hadn't considered that before. TIM wanted to do it, so it's reasonable to think the Protheans may have wanted to, as well.

Or maybe the thorians designed the first reaper, or the reapers just liked how the thorians looked and copied their style.

Yeah they both look like alien squittlefish (just made that up. yeah, pretty awesome, I know) to me.

Maybe the Thorian and Reapers are counterparts? Since the Thorian has it's own mind control that counteracts the Reapers? *squints eyes, frowns, and speculates pretty hard*

The first thought that came to mind is that the Thorian was some sort of precursor to the Reapers. It semed like the Thorian could absorb the "essence" of a species (i.e. the Cypher, clones). The Reapers seem to do this but in a much more forceful and destructive way.

Actually, it was nondestructive but with long term consequences because the spors cannot be removed. Yet. Baria Frontiers was looking into it.

[Auralius Carolus]

FellishBeast wrote...
Yeah they both look like alien squittlefish (just made that up. yeah, pretty awesome, I know) to me.

Maybe the Thorian and Reapers are counterparts? Since the Thorian has it's own mind control that counteracts the Reapers? *squints eyes, frowns, and speculates pretty hard*

The first thought that came to mind is that the Thorian was some sort of precursor to the Reapers. It semed like the Thorian could absorb the "essence" of a species (i.e. the Cypher, clones). The Reapers seem to do this but in a much more forceful and destructive way.

Edit: Actually, regarding that last paragraph, that just sounds more like they're counterparts rather than ancestors.

The Thorian certainly was sailing on the same mind-control ship.

[Turbo_J]

LT123 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The crap hits the fan as soon as Shep gets knocked across the committee hall at Alliance HQ. Look at the video in my signature.

I did watch that, actually, and it blew my mind a little bit.  I was mainly referring to everything turning really surreal.

It's like that throughout the game, mostly hidden in dialog. The park and child at the beginning are the most prominent 'strange tangible elements' weather they are hallucinations or not. The majority of what follows is more subtle. The best way to view it would be through the eyes of Mass Effect anti-lore. Anything that goes against the grain is likely rooted in Indoctrination.

[D.Sharrah]

Starbuck8 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Not to freak anyone out...but I noticed there was some discussion about different things that seem to follow Shep (like the baby Reaper's eye on Cronos)...I remember seeing somewhere recently that Microsoft is working on a way to improve the software for the Kinect, so that it can actually pinpoint where you are looking by tracking your eye movement...so we actually get to the point very soon where our "entertainment" devices can "follow" out gaze...just saying...

Not to mention that one of the most famous pieces of art ever is famous for that very reason...

And then it will be able to read lips, find out our secret plan, become paranoid, and try to kill us all!

Cue evil laughter...

Mwah...Mwah ha...Mwah ha ha ha ha...

[FellishBeast]

Random thought while playing campaign:

I'm pretty sure Bailey was with Cerberus.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

If you have Shiala alive it sheds a little more light on the nature of the Thorian and the potential that the plant spores could if fact be used in some way to develop a vaccine against Indoctrination. It would be like some sort of receptor blocker.

As for the creepers, they were not actual converted sapiens, they were clones of some sort, similar to the Shiala clone, but based on their limited function, created from memory rather than copied from something inside a sack like Shiala was.

Note on Indoctrination: Info from Legion here is important. There are clues to how human/sapien Indoctrination works based on the info you get from Legion in ME2 on how the Heretics were converted. It's minor alterations to low level programs in the Geth. As you know in the case of mathematical equations, an alteration or error at the every beginning of a process can have dramatic consequences down the road. This can be the same for organic minds. Slight changes in the way a person thinks about certain things can drastically alter their perceptions in the course of months or years. Further more, Reapers don't just push changes of perception along, they also alter the synaptic pathways of the brain making these thought processes permanent. Almost hard coded.

Finding a way to prevent that, undo it, or even using something to bypass it (like what the Genophage cure does for the Krogan, but on a cellular level) could be the key to turning the tide against the Reapers. Without sleeper agents or the ability to sucker people into voluntarily becoming husks, they would have limited fire ground support. It would in a sense be cutting off their supply line and it would removing that demoralization tactical advantage.

I like the way you word all this information, because it can sometimes be a very difficult concept to convey. 

I've tried explaining it to literalists once in awhile outside this topic. Their response usually boils down to "wh....what?" Sometimes I wonder whether Bioware expected too much from the players, or if they actually wanted all this stuff to fly over their heads so the ending twist would hit them like a sack of bricks. 

[Turbo_J]

DrTsoni wrote...

That's...actually pretty brilliant.

But the problem still remains that, even with time to properly study the effects, we'd have to deal with the Thorian's "indoctrination." Unless you think the spores and Reaper indoctrination would just cancel each other out? Not sure how that would work and while you make indoctrination itself so easy to understand, I'm not quite sure I follow

Low level process

Me.... 0.0000001+0.0000001=0.0000002

You... 0.0000001+0.0000002=0.0000003

Anything you do to the results of those equations is now going to affect high level processes. A vastly different 'conclusion' can be drawn over time because of compounding divergence as higher level processes reference this low level result.

Lets say the conclusion we come to at the end of all this results in...

Me... I like Vanilla Ice cream

You.. I like Vanilla Ice

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

Random thought while playing campaign:

I'm pretty sure Bailey was with Cerberus.

Can you elaborate? I've never considered that. Interested in hearing your thoughts. 

[Starbuck8]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...
Yeah they both look like alien squittlefish (just made that up. yeah, pretty awesome, I know) to me.

Maybe the Thorian and Reapers are counterparts? Since the Thorian has it's own mind control that counteracts the Reapers? *squints eyes, frowns, and speculates pretty hard*

The first thought that came to mind is that the Thorian was some sort of precursor to the Reapers. It semed like the Thorian could absorb the "essence" of a species (i.e. the Cypher, clones). The Reapers seem to do this but in a much more forceful and destructive way.

Edit: Actually, regarding that last paragraph, that just sounds more like they're counterparts rather than ancestors.

The Thorian certainly was sailing on the same mind-control ship.

Now, if I remember correctly, Saren got the cipher from the thorian, who then betrayed the thorian, trying to kill it. So the thorian seems to have been acting in self defense, using the colonists to fight off the geth. This is also why it was so uncooperative with Shepard. Now I do feel bad for killing it...

Also, why was Saren trying to have it killed? To prevent the cipher from falling into someone else's hands? Because the thorian knew to much about the reapers? Because the thorian is a threat, a previous enemy, to the reapers?

[Turbo_J]

FellishBeast wrote...

Random thought while playing campaign:

I'm pretty sure Bailey was with Cerberus.

I thought that too, but if he really is, he does not know it.

It seemed odd that he got shot and never had a wound or bled. At all. Save Liara firing up her omni-tool when she got to him, it didn't look like he took any medi-gel either.

In fact, not once did shep ever give anyone any medi-gel in this game.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

That's...actually pretty brilliant.

But the problem still remains that, even with time to properly study the effects, we'd have to deal with the Thorian's "indoctrination." Unless you think the spores and Reaper indoctrination would just cancel each other out? Not sure how that would work and while you make indoctrination itself so easy to understand, I'm not quite sure I follow

Low level process

Me.... 0.0000001+0.0000001=0.0000002

You... 0.0000001+0.0000002=0.0000003

Anything you do to the results of those equations is now going to affect high level processes. A vastly different 'conclusion' can be drawn over time because of compounding divergence as higher level processes reference this low level result.

Lets say the conclusion we come to at the end of all this results in...

Me... I like Vanilla Ice cream

You.. I like Vanilla Ice

Start with:



End with:


Reaper bastards!!!!!!!! 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[ZerebusPrime]

Just got those dark energy javelin missiles for my war assets**. Should have used those in London instead of "thanix missiles," thought I*. And then I remembered something else that was strange: why were the missile trucks still intact in that final real fight in Priority: Earth? It's like the soldiers were dragged away without too much of a fight. It's also like the Reapers didn't feel like zapping the trucks with the big honking Reaper-killing missiles on them. All it would have taken would be one or two shots from that destroyer and the entire alley would have been toast, armored vehicles and all. It's just... odd.

*Yes, the spacetime distorting javelin missiles might be too much for poor London to handle. The collateral damage of forming small black holes over a city could be immense.
**Speaking of war assets, my N7 assets from multiplayer just kicked in: 2550 war assets before readiness modification. Yowzers.

[Auralius Carolus]

Turbo_J wrote...

LT123 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Is there a link to a video regarding the "screen bob" that's being discussed?

After beam, before beam and weapon bench clips...
www.youtube.com/watch

That's trippy. And here I thought all the really weird stuff didn't start until after the laser hits Shepard.

The crap hits the fan as soon as Shep gets knocked across the committee hall at Alliance HQ. Look at the video in my signature.

The Chinchillas, working diligently in their labs, long ago hypothesized that it was this moment that Shepard first began to notice unusual happenings, whether the player caught on or not. Note the audio tracks playing in the background are those from the dreams, including disembodied wispers. Such auditory hallucinations are telling of alterations occuring in the pariental lobe; it is possible that, if it were not for that jolt from the Reapers back on Earth, Shepard may have never experienced reoccuring nightmares. Such as some psychics, sudden trauma seems to have the ability to awaken certain senses that would otherwise lay dormant.

If this, or similar, is the case, Shepard is experiencing a steady progression of symptoms from the beginning onward, stemming from a part of the mind previously silenced. From the quietest of wispers to full blown lucid nightmares intermingling with reality, Shepard is experiencing- violently- the full on effects of EMF exposure that would, in most people, be far more subtle.

[HellishFiend]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

The Chinchillas, working diligently in their labs....

I remember that!!!

Auralius Carolus wrote... 

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I was thinking, what is the implications of the dreams Shepard is having? Certainly she has seen much more terrible things than a kid dying. Why this one kid would haunt her so much? This isn't a psychological horror game where these kinds of tricks are used. Using a nightmare in a ME game is just out of place unless it serves some other purpose.

Also, on the third and final dream; There are two Shepards. One who is chasing the kid and the other whom the kid finds at the end; that Shepard looks at you (the other Shepard) then the kid and she burns. Could it signify Shepard finally giving in to indoctrination? In the earlier dreams the kid would bun alone, now Shepard is burning too.

All this has surely been discussing before, I'm just trying to figure things out by myself xD

It has been discussed before, and fortunately I was able to track down the post rather quickly. It's by our very own Auralius Carolus. =P 

http://social.biowar...3/1575#11531173 

The other Shepard is a doppleganger. 

The chinchillas are experts in the parapsychological field, as well as fluent in certain forms of mythology and symbology.

One of my favorite posts. 

[Rifneno]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Lol ok, but it seemed like it could have been useful, provide us with more information about past cycles, the reapers, were they came from, how to fight them (possibly using the spores) etc.

If you could get it to cooperate. That one on Feros wasn't exactly willing to have a friendly chat. Granted, Saren just screwed it over, but I don't think it thought much of us "meatsacks" to begin with.

DrTsoni wrote...

So we should kill them all just for existing? And what if they're not all like the one we encounter in ME1?
Unless of course they (it?) really are the Protheans' failed attempt to "grow their own Reaper." In which case...I'll loan you a grenade

I speak under the assumption that the one on Feros wasn't the Thorian equivalent of a skinhead, of course. If others are willing to view organics like us as equals or at least willing to live peacefully together (sans slavery) that'd be great. I very highly doubt they would be though. Whether by evolution or by genetic engineering, they have that spore-control ability for a reason. We're free labor and/or food.

...

Hmmm. I wonder... The Leviathan of Dis was described as an organic starship. We always found that odd because while Reapers use people milkshakes to make new ones, they appear very much synthetic. Yet the LoD was obviously a Reaper because its indoctrination made the scientists aid the Reapers. Perhaps the LoD is the missing link between thorians and Reapers. ... Shame somebody let those filthy four-eyes have it.

FellishBeast wrote...

Random thought while playing campaign:

I'm pretty sure Bailey was with Cerberus.

Yeah, we discussed that. I think that's the likely scenario. After Thane's mission in ME2 they even mention that they may try to recruit him.

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

If you have Shiala alive it sheds a little more light on the nature of the Thorian and the potential that the plant spores could if fact be used in some way to develop a vaccine against Indoctrination. It would be like some sort of receptor blocker.

As for the creepers, they were not actual converted sapiens, they were clones of some sort, similar to the Shiala clone, but based on their limited function, created from memory rather than copied from something inside a sack like Shiala was.

Note on Indoctrination: Info from Legion here is important. There are clues to how human/sapien Indoctrination works based on the info you get from Legion in ME2 on how the Heretics were converted. It's minor alterations to low level programs in the Geth. As you know in the case of mathematical equations, an alteration or error at the every beginning of a process can have dramatic consequences down the road. This can be the same for organic minds. Slight changes in the way a person thinks about certain things can drastically alter their perceptions in the course of months or years. Further more, Reapers don't just push changes of perception along, they also alter the synaptic pathways of the brain making these thought processes permanent. Almost hard coded.

Finding a way to prevent that, undo it, or even using something to bypass it (like what the Genophage cure does for the Krogan, but on a cellular level) could be the key to turning the tide against the Reapers. Without sleeper agents or the ability to sucker people into voluntarily becoming husks, they would have limited fire ground support. It would in a sense be cutting off their supply line and it would removing that demoralization tactical advantage.

I like the way you word all this information, because it can sometimes be a very difficult concept to convey. 

I've tried explaining it to literalists once in awhile outside this topic. Their response usually boils down to "wh....what?" Sometimes I wonder whether Bioware expected too much from the players, or if they actually wanted all this stuff to fly over their heads so the ending twist would hit them like a sack of bricks. 

Thanks,

I've been saying that since a week after release. I've lost acquaintances over it. People who I thought had greater intellect. Even core ME fans that should or even do know the lore and the codex by heart seemed to have forgotten what Mass Effect was about.

I think in some ways ME2 dropped the ball here. There was not enough mystery and a touch more 'action/reaction' was needed in the style of Arrival. The magic husk making machine side mission should have been a full mission with assignment and debriefing as to solidify it's impact. A headache or FIVE (not just one) on Sheps part would have been good foreshadowing as well.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Random thought while playing campaign:

I'm pretty sure Bailey was with Cerberus.

Can you elaborate? I've never considered that. Interested in hearing your thoughts. 

I will do my best.

I heard some people propose the idea a few months back, I'm not sure where the thread is, but anywho...

You find him up by the door (behind Cerberus lines, as you were fighting them to GET to the door) by some dead C-Sec officers, supposedly injured, but ignored beyond that for some reason. Basically, there's no reason for him to be alive. He also says some things like he's trying to make it clear he was attacked by them. I assume he just shot himself when he saw Shepard coming since he knew Shep would blow through all the Cerberus troops, so he could keep his cover.

The camera pans to his face suspiciously for a brief moment as you're walking through the door (this is 100% pure opinion on my part)

When you finally get to the Counsel, and Cerberus is supposedly about to come through the door, it happens to be Bailey and some other guy. They something along the lines of "we scared them off" which is absurd, considering Kai Leng was there and Bailey was wounded. That never made sense to me.

And now for evidence from ME2: he's been known to take bribes before.
You find this out on Thane's loyalty mission. I don't remember any names, but I just remember he took money from that criminal lord guy in exchange for him turning a blind eye towards him as long as he doesn't get too out of hand.

So I see Bailey as a dirty cop with the best of intentions. I doubt he actually believes in what Cerberus does, but he's doesn't really believe in his current job either. He just takes what he can get. I think his involvement with Cerberus ended when he (maybe) shot himself when Shepard blew in. It would help explain the security breach.

Just speculations. I'm playing the mission now so if I see anything else I'll add it.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

I will do my best.

I heard some people propose the idea a few months back, I'm not sure where the thread is, but anywho...

You find him up by the door (behind Cerberus lines, as you were fighting them to GET to the door) by some dead C-Sec officers, supposedly injured, but ignored beyond that for some reason. Basically, there's no reason for him to be alive. He also says some things like he's trying to make it clear he was attacked by them. I assume he just shot himself when he saw Shepard coming since he knew Shep would blow through all the Cerberus troops, so he could keep his cover.

The camera pans to his face suspiciously for a brief moment as you're walking through the door (this is 100% pure opinion on my part)

When you finally get to the Counsel, and Cerberus is supposedly about to come through the door, it happens to be Bailey and some other guy. They something along the lines of "we scared them off" which is absurd, considering Kai Leng was there and Bailey was wounded. That never made sense to me.

And now for evidence from ME2: he's been known to take bribes before.
You find this out on Thane's loyalty mission. I don't remember any names, but I just remember he took money from that criminal lord guy in exchange for him turning a blind eye towards him as long as he doesn't get too out of hand.

So I see Bailey as a dirty cop with the best of intentions. I doubt he actually believes in what Cerberus does, but he's doesn't really believe in his current job either. He just takes what he can get. I think his involvement with Cerberus ended when he (maybe) shot himself when Shepard blew in. It would help explain the security breach.

Just speculations. I'm playing the mission now so if I see anything else I'll add it.

That actually makes quite a bit of sense. I always thought the "Kai Leng beat it because he knew we were coming" thing was silly. And his character also seems to be in just the right mindset to be fed up with the complacency and inaction, and be easily swayed into believing Cerberus has legitimate goals. Nice speculations!

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 04:30 .