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[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

This is the fifth "whisper" file after you've filtered all the audible stuff out as much as possible:


I've pitch shifted it up 200% and I'm almost ready to upload

Jesus! Did you amplify it as well, or is it naturally that loud?

[Ageless Face]

I have a question.

Some IT supporter already told me that they will have no problem considering or that they are even supporting the idea that control and synthesis are not critical mission failure. Some even support that destroy will also lead to indoctrination. But I wanted to ask the majority of the IT supporters.

If BioWare thought about indoctrination at the ending, and they also made destroy as indoctrination, would you still think BioWare was brilliant by thinking about the indoctrination, or will you hate it for leading all of the choices to indoctrination and there will be no way to resist it?

If BioWare didn't think about the indoctrination, but will adopt the IT and make destroy as invalid as the two other choices, would you still support the idea, or would you be mad at BioWare for not making destroy valid?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 17 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[paxxton]

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...

This is the fifth "whisper" file after you've filtered all the audible stuff out as much as possible:


I've pitch shifted it up 200% and I'm almost ready to upload [/quote]
S**t. Cover your ears.

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...

*snip*

I've been too busy completing phase two of "Project: Build a ****ing awesome computer"

*snip*
[/quote]
Nice! The newest from Intel. Piles of RAM  (I have only 2 GB ). Those are quite old GeForces though... Are you building a quad SLI system? [/quote]

I'm building a triple crossfire system - they're not GeForce cards, they're these:
http://www.asus.com/...ies/HD79703GD5/

Sadly, it mostly gets used for boring stuff like bitcoin mining and CFD, which will humble that CPU almost immediately
[/quote][/quote]
Yes, GeForces were 7900. I confused those numbering systems. At least your new system will earn money.  Any way, good luck and let's hope that 1350W PSU won't overload the powergrid in the vicinity.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 04:26 .

[HellishFiend]

HagarIshay wrote...

I have a question.

Some IT supporter already told me that they will have no problem considering or that they are even supporting the idea that control and synthesis are not critical mission failure. Some even support that destroy will also lead to indoctrination. But I wanted to ask the majority of the IT supporters.

If BioWare thought about indoctrination at the ending, and they also made destroy as indoctrination, would you still think BioWare was brilliant by thinking about the indoctrination, or will you hate it for leading all of the choices to indoctrination and there will be no way to resist it?

If BioWare didn't think about the indoctrination, but will adopt the IT and make destroy as invalid as the two other choices, would you still support the idea, or would you be mad at BioWare for not making destroy valid?

I cant speak for everyone, but there are many who hypothesize that very low EMS leads to indoctrination regardless, because you are only offered one choice, based on whether you saved the collector base or not. Others hypothesize that it just means the Reapers no longer care about indoctrinating you. 

I also personally support the idea that Control/Synth dont always lead to indoctrination in completionist playthroughs, but I may be biased since I picked Control on my non-spoiler playthrough, and I dont want to be screwed. 

But even if I'm screwed, I still believe IT is brilliant just on concept alone. The evidence is just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

Let us know if you have any more concerns. Happy to help!

[Ageless Face]

HellishFiend wrote...

I cant speak for everyone, but there are many who hypothesize that very low EMS leads to indoctrination regardless, because you are only offered one choice, based on whether you saved the collector base or not. Others hypothesize that it just means the Reapers no longer care about indoctrinating you. 

I also personally support the idea that Control/Synth dont always lead to indoctrination in completionist playthroughs, but I may be biased since I picked Control on my non-spoiler playthrough, and I dont want to be screwed. 

But even if I'm screwed, I still believe IT is brilliant just on concept alone. The evidence is just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

Let us know if you have any more concerns. Happy to help!

Thank you for the answer . I like the fact indoctrination theory is more about than the three choices and are actually about inodctrination (kind of easy to forget about it this days...).

[D.Sharrah]

@Hellish - IT things that stick out for me...

TIM Confrontation
James - "Do you hear that hum?"
Dream Sequences
The kid - in Vancouver (vent scene, climbing on the shuttle)
Reaperbieber the Starbinger's Logic

[D.Sharrah]

@TSA - Your work with the audio continues to amaze me...can't wait for the upload!

 

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 17 juin 2012 - 04:32 .

[paxxton]

HagarIshay wrote...

I have a question.

Some IT supporter already told me that they will have no problem considering or that they are even supporting the idea that control and synthesis are not critical mission failure. Some even support that destroy will also lead to indoctrination. But I wanted to ask the majority of the IT supporters.

If BioWare thought about indoctrination at the ending, and they also made destroy as indoctrination, would you still think BioWare was brilliant by thinking about the indoctrination, or will you hate it for leading all of the choices to indoctrination and there will be no way to resist it?

If BioWare didn't think about the indoctrination, but will adopt the IT and make destroy as invalid as the two other choices, would you still support the idea, or would you be mad at BioWare for not making destroy valid?

I think this is just the basic idea. The final reception should be based on how well the whole thing would be pulled off. Each choice could have had their consequences after Shepard woke up (different levels of indoctrination) if all of them led to indoctrination.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

I have a question.

Some IT supporter already told me that they will have no problem considering or that they are even supporting the idea that control and synthesis are not critical mission failure. Some even support that destroy will also lead to indoctrination. But I wanted to ask the majority of the IT supporters.

If BioWare thought about indoctrination at the ending, and they also made destroy as indoctrination, would you still think BioWare was brilliant by thinking about the indoctrination, or will you hate it for leading all of the choices to indoctrination and there will be no way to resist it?

If BioWare didn't think about the indoctrination, but will adopt the IT and make destroy as invalid as the two other choices, would you still support the idea, or would you be mad at BioWare for not making destroy valid?

I cant speak for everyone, but there are many who hypothesize that very low EMS leads to indoctrination regardless, because you are only offered one choice, based on whether you saved the collector base or not. Others hypothesize that it just means the Reapers no longer care about indoctrinating you. 

I also personally support the idea that Control/Synth dont always lead to indoctrination in completionist playthroughs, but I may be biased since I picked Control on my non-spoiler playthrough, and I dont want to be screwed. 

But even if I'm screwed, I still believe IT is brilliant just on concept alone. The evidence is just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

Let us know if you have any more concerns. Happy to help!

Almost same here.
On my spoiler-free playthrough I picked Destroy on highest EMS, but I would still enjoy it to the fullest, if indoctrination is not defeated yet. For example if crewmember got indoc'ed, too. I would even love BioWare if they indoc'ed my LI Liara, even though I like her!

It seems to me like there's this picture of us that we only like IT as long as we're not among the victims of it. Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm here because of the idea, not because I'm waiting to rub it in somebody's face that they're indoc'ed and I was not. Since it's just a story, I've got nothing to lose!
It's similar to how in ME2 everyone could die! I didn't like the concept because my crew didn't die, I liked the concept because everybody could die.

So, the more characters in ME3 turn out to be indoc'ed, the better!

[D.Sharrah]

HagarIshay wrote...

I have a question.

Some IT supporter already told me that they will have no problem considering or that they are even supporting the idea that control and synthesis are not critical mission failure. Some even support that destroy will also lead to indoctrination. But I wanted to ask the majority of the IT supporters.

If BioWare thought about indoctrination at the ending, and they also made destroy as indoctrination, would you still think BioWare was brilliant by thinking about the indoctrination, or will you hate it for leading all of the choices to indoctrination and there will be no way to resist it?

If BioWare didn't think about the indoctrination, but will adopt the IT and make destroy as invalid as the two other choices, would you still support the idea, or would you be mad at BioWare for not making destroy valid?

For me it all depends on how  Bioware implements IT...if it is done well, then I don't really care what the outcome is...if that makes sense. "shrugs"

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 17 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[TSA_383]

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

This is the fifth "whisper" file after you've filtered all the audible stuff out as much as possible:


I've pitch shifted it up 200% and I'm almost ready to upload

Jesus! Did you amplify it as well, or is it naturally that loud?

note the "-24dB"
It's actually not excessively loud

Anyway, here's the zip, whispers 1-3 used a different filter that I don't think is as good...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/unhhv1

[HellishFiend]

HagarIshay wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I cant speak for everyone, but there are many who hypothesize that very low EMS leads to indoctrination regardless, because you are only offered one choice, based on whether you saved the collector base or not. Others hypothesize that it just means the Reapers no longer care about indoctrinating you. 

I also personally support the idea that Control/Synth dont always lead to indoctrination in completionist playthroughs, but I may be biased since I picked Control on my non-spoiler playthrough, and I dont want to be screwed. 

But even if I'm screwed, I still believe IT is brilliant just on concept alone. The evidence is just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

Let us know if you have any more concerns. Happy to help!

Thank you for the answer . I like the fact indoctrination theory is more about than the three choices and are actually about inodctrination (kind of easy to forget about it this days...).

You're welcome.  That is one of my favorite things about IT, too. I absolutely love symbolism. It is probably my favorite thing about any form of literature or storytelling. And to see symbolism used in such a powerful fashion in a videogame is exciting in an unprecedented way. Bioware will officially supplant the old Squaresoft as my favorite developer of all time if IT turns out to be true. 

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

note the "-24dB"
It's actually not excessively loud

Anyway, here's the zip, whispers 1-3 used a different filter that I don't think is as good...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/unhhv1

It looks loud as hell compared to most of the other instances of infrasound we've uncovered, no?

[TSA_383]

What's interesting with the beam infrasound is that at the points where it appears to have words in the sound the infrasonic booms - I've included in that zip manipulations of 8 & 9 to make the speech audio easier to hear - the 8th one has "harbinger" in it I think, and 9 has "shepard" (actually incorrectly titled within the zip).
In both cases, there's an infrasound pulse accompanying the spoken word, which is curious...

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

note the "-24dB"
It's actually not excessively loud [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Anyway, here's the zip, whispers 1-3 used a different filter that I don't think is as good...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/unhhv1

It looks loud as hell compared to most of the other instances of infrasound we've uncovered, no?

It might be post-compression I honestly don't remember but I did apply compression to the files at some point to bring the levels up...

Modifié par TSA_383, 17 juin 2012 - 04:41 .

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Hellish - IT things that stick out for me...

TIM Confrontation
James - "Do you hear that hum?"
Dream Sequences
The kid - in Vancouver (vent scene, climbing on the shuttle)
Reaperbieber the Starbinger's Logic

Good ideas! Thanks! I'll record and insert some of those scenes for dramatic effect. 

[Ageless Face]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Almost same here.
On my spoiler-free playthrough I picked Destroy on highest EMS, but I would still enjoy it to the fullest, if indoctrination is not defeated yet. For example if crewmember got indoc'ed, too. I would even love BioWare if they indoc'ed my LI Liara, even though I like her!

It seems to me like there's this picture of us that we only like IT as long as we're not among the victims of it. Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm here because of the idea, not because I'm waiting to rub it in somebody's face that they're indoc'ed and I was not. Since it's just a story, I've got nothing to lose!
It's similar to how in ME2 everyone could die! I didn't like the concept because my crew didn't die, I liked the concept because everybody could die.

So, the more characters in ME3 turn out to be indoc'ed, the better!

Well, first of all I'm sorry if I implied that you are egoistical. I didn't mean to insult. Though I will admit, sometimes, when I see a post of an IT supporter saying that destroy is the only right choice, it's annoys the hell out of me. I know most don't do it on purpose, but they seem fully believe in it. That is actually why I'm asking now, just to have a confirmation that the IT is not only about destroy is the only option. I think I understand now there are a lot who don't think like that.

Second, I didn't know the IT is also considaring other squadmates being indoc . I only saw one thread about Liara being indoc instead of Shepard.  

Modifié par HagarIshay, 17 juin 2012 - 04:47 .

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

What's interesting with the beam infrasound is that at the points where it appears to have words in the sound the infrasonic booms - I've included in that zip manipulations of 8 & 9 to make the speech audio easier to hear - the 8th one has "harbinger" in it I think, and 9 has "shepard" (actually incorrectly titled within the zip).
In both cases, there's an infrasound pulse accompanying the spoken word, which is curious...

I can hear both the Shepard and the Harbinger fairly clearly with those filters. 

So it seems we didnt find any hidden pitch-shifted messages in the infrasound, but there is definitely something going on here besides just solid tones. I'm surprised. That's a lot of work from Bioware just to put into hidden sounds. Great work! :happy:

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 04:49 .

[HellishFiend]

HagarIshay wrote...

Well, first of all I'm sorry if I implied that you are egoistical. I will admit, sometimes, when I see a post of an IT supporter saying that destroy is the only right choice, it's annoys the hell out of me. I know most don't do it on purpose, but they seem fully believe in it. That is actually why I'm asking now, just to have a confirmation that the IT is not only about destroy is the only option. I think I understand now there are a lot who don't think like that.

Second, I didn't know the IT is also considaring other squadmates being indoc . I only saw one thread about Liara being indoc instead of Shepard.  

IT does have its extremists, but none of them post in this topic regularly, so you can always come here for objective information about IT. 

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Looking for a little creative help with my video, guys:

When thinking about the Indoctrination Theory, what are the most significant things that pop into your head? What stands out the most? As in events, cutscenes, dialog, etc. Something you see in the game that just speaks "Indoctrination!" to you personally.

C'mon guys... just lookin' for a few simple ideas....

It's not one thing though. I can't pin it to a single event. It's 6

The park does not exist and the vent scene with the Reaper horn coming from inside the vent when Shep is interrupted.

Liara and the Crucible: On my first playthrough, I was convinced it was a trap and Liara may be indoctrinated. It was far too easy.

Cronso Station

The Hades Cannon LZ

All of London including the Citadel scene

The Normandy crash

(all of this coupled with datapad and dialog clues along the way)

If I were to say what put me over the edge to feel IT was the only possibility? Cronos. It's where the tone of the game changes and where the veil of reality (lore) slips and logic starts to fall apart.

By the way, if you renegade during Shep's reconstruction video, Shep is fully confident in who she is and doesn't waver or show any doubt during that scene. The paragon choice in that section is a will breaker IMO and allows the Reapers to seep into Shep's head a little easier.

I wonder if the actions taken here and elsewhere in the game that can affect self confidence and mental health has an affect on the frequency of, or weather or not you get, 'labored breathing' and 'view bob'.

[Ageless Face]

HellishFiend wrote...


IT does have its extremists, but none of them post in this topic regularly, so you can always come here for objective information about IT. 

Usually I see a lot of posts by extrimsts. Though It's basically four people that write everywhere.

Though I see not only the exrimsts that seem to believe that only destroy is right. I just wanted to ask if it's really THAT important for the IT supporters.

Ashamed to say that I'm glad you don't think it is too important.

[Turbo_J]

HagarIshay wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Almost same here.
On my spoiler-free playthrough I picked Destroy on highest EMS, but I would still enjoy it to the fullest, if indoctrination is not defeated yet. For example if crewmember got indoc'ed, too. I would even love BioWare if they indoc'ed my LI Liara, even though I like her!

It seems to me like there's this picture of us that we only like IT as long as we're not among the victims of it. Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm here because of the idea, not because I'm waiting to rub it in somebody's face that they're indoc'ed and I was not. Since it's just a story, I've got nothing to lose!
It's similar to how in ME2 everyone could die! I didn't like the concept because my crew didn't die, I liked the concept because everybody could die.

So, the more characters in ME3 turn out to be indoc'ed, the better!

Well, first of all I'm sorry if I implied that you are egoistical. I didn't mean to insult. Though I will admit, sometimes, when I see a post of an IT supporter saying that destroy is the only right choice, it's annoys the hell out of me. I know most don't do it on purpose, but they seem fully believe in it. That is actually why I'm asking now, just to have a confirmation that the IT is not only about destroy is the only option. I think I understand now there are a lot who don't think like that.

Second, I didn't know the IT is also considaring other squadmates being indoc . I only saw one thread about Liara being indoc instead of Shepard.  

James may be going through the process too... "Do you hear that hum? Is that just me?"

Quite a few of us headed for Control first. Some intentionally, some out of confusion. The entire section with Starbinger the friendly ghost was intentionally confusing though.

I think Control may be viable but It likely depend of Sheps action through the game. "Even in your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Modifié par Turbo_J, 17 juin 2012 - 04:58 .

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

It's not one thing though. I can't pin it to a single event. It's 6

The park does not exist and the vent scene with the Reaper horn coming from inside the vent when Shep is interrupted.

Cronso Station

The Hades Cannon LZ

All of London including the Citadel scene

The Normandy crash

(all of this coupled with datapad and dialog clues along the way)

If I were to say what put me over the edge to feel IT was the only possibility? Cronos. It's where the tone of the game changes and where the veil of reality (lore) slips and logic starts to fall apart.

Thanks! I'll work some of these in there.

Turbo_J wrote... 
By the way, if you renegade during Shep's reconstruction video, Shep is fully confident in who she is and doesn't waver or show any doubt during that scene. The paragon choice in that section is a will breaker IMO and allows the Reapers to seep into Shep's head a little easier.

I wonder if the actions taken here and elsewhere in the game that can affect self confidence and mental health has an affect on the frequency of, or weather or not you get, 'labored breathing' and 'view bob'.

I noticed that too. The tone of the two answers are very different. Like you say, paragon seems weak-willed and vulnerable, renegade seems confident and strong. It's possible that this along with similar choices earlier in the game could affect the view pop and possibly even the Indoc attempt as a whole.

Turbo_J wrote...  

Liara and the Crucible: On my first playthrough, I was convinced it was a trap and Liara may be indoctrinated. It was far too easy. 

I agree. The closer I look at Liara's behavior, especially on Mars, the more suspicious it seems. Did you catch those two sideways glances she gives to the VS? It's like if she feels threatened. We even see a similar sideways glance from Anderson after the "I was born in London.." line.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 04:58 .

[MaximizedAction]

HagarIshay wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Almost same here.
On my spoiler-free playthrough I picked Destroy on highest EMS, but I would still enjoy it to the fullest, if indoctrination is not defeated yet. For example if crewmember got indoc'ed, too. I would even love BioWare if they indoc'ed my LI Liara, even though I like her!

It seems to me like there's this picture of us that we only like IT as long as we're not among the victims of it. Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm here because of the idea, not because I'm waiting to rub it in somebody's face that they're indoc'ed and I was not. Since it's just a story, I've got nothing to lose!
It's similar to how in ME2 everyone could die! I didn't like the concept because my crew didn't die, I liked the concept because everybody could die.

So, the more characters in ME3 turn out to be indoc'ed, the better!

Well, first of all I'm sorry if I implied that you are egoistical. I didn't mean to insult. Though I will admit, sometimes, when I see a post of an IT supporter saying that destroy is the only right choice, it's annoys the hell out of me. I know most don't do it on purpose, but they seem fully believe in it. That is actually why I'm asking now, just to have a confirmation that the IT is not only about destroy is the only option. I think I understand now there are a lot who don't think like that.

Second, I didn't know the IT is also considaring other squadmates being indoc . I only saw one thread about Liara being indoc instead of Shepard.  

You didn't insult me . I think that most of BSN's regulars by now got a pretty thick skin.

Regarding indoc'ed sqadmembers: It's not 'official' IT material, but there is possible evidence. For example, there is two kind of squadbanter during the Human reaper scene on TIM's base...
If you have time, watch IT's very own Megumi's video on different squad constellations during key moments in that scene: www.youtube.com/watch

It follows -- from other in-game oddness -- that the main suspects are: James, Liara, Ash/Kaiden.

[Ageless Face]

Turbo_J wrote...

James may be going throught the process too... "Do you hear that hum? Is that just me?"

I thought the hum was supposed to be directed from Shepard? 

Though I might read the theory wrong . And the codex...

[HellishFiend]

HagarIshay wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


IT does have its extremists, but none of them post in this topic regularly, so you can always come here for objective information about IT. 

Usually I see a lot of posts by extrimsts. Though It's basically four people that write everywhere.

Though I see not only the exrimsts that seem to believe that only destroy is right. I just wanted to ask if it's really THAT important for the IT supporters.

Ashamed to say that I'm glad you don't think it is too important.

In any case, I think we can safely say that Bioware isnt going to universally screw over everyone that made the "wrong" choice in the decision chamber if IT is true. There wouldnt be enough diversity in that, and we were promised at least 16 unique endings, which I still think we're going to get once all is said and done.