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[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

On a more humerous note, I believe this so should be Shepards theme song. The lyrics just crack me up!!


"You can fight like a krogan, run like a leapard, but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard." 

I'm currently listening to that. Weird.  Exactly that link.

I'm listening it right now too... was about to post about how disappoint I was that the song was nowhere to be found in ME3, except for Wreav kind of  referencing the song once.

Side note, that was basically the point I decided to sabotage the genophage on my evil playthrough. I figured I'd give Wreav one last chance to endear himself to me, and maybe have a 'Thanks for doing all this for me' moment like Wrex does there, but he didnt, and the krogan were thusly doomed.

I didn't cure the genophage too. It was too risky with Wreav as the clan leader. And after Eve died I was certain what to do.  I feel sorry for the krogan people that they have such a stupid leadership. I'm currently runing through the games with the Wrex-saved-on-Virmire playthrough.

Your first playthrough had Wrex dead and the genophage data destroyed?

You ****ed up, son.

It could have been worse. I had another save from ME2 in which I also saved the Collector base but I didn't import it because I lost a big chunk of the crew too.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 07:04 .

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I didn't cure the genophage too. It was too risky with Wreav as the clan leader. And after Eve died I was certain what to do.  I feel sorry for the krogan people that they have such a stupid leadership. I'm currently runing through the games with the Wrex-saved-on-Virmire playthrough.

Your first playthrough had Wrex dead and the genophage data destroyed?

You ****ed up, son.

In my no-spoiler, no do-over playthrough, I lost Legion and Zaeed, so I wasnt able to make peace between Geth and Quarians (and I hate "Geth VI", horrible dialog compared to legion, so it really sucked), but fortunately I had everything set up perfectly to cure the genophage with both Wrex and Eve, alive and well, to keep the Krogan in line. 

If I had to choose between the two, I would do the same thing over again. Curing the genophage for Wrex was very satisfying and dramatic. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[Zabbo]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Almost same here.
On my spoiler-free playthrough I picked Destroy on highest EMS, but I would still enjoy it to the fullest, if indoctrination is not defeated yet. For example if crewmember got indoc'ed, too. I would even love BioWare if they indoc'ed my LI Liara, even though I like her!

It seems to me like there's this picture of us that we only like IT as long as we're not among the victims of it. Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm here because of the idea, not because I'm waiting to rub it in somebody's face that they're indoc'ed and I was not. Since it's just a story, I've got nothing to lose!
It's similar to how in ME2 everyone could die! I didn't like the concept because my crew didn't die, I liked the concept because everybody could die.

So, the more characters in ME3 turn out to be indoc'ed, the better!

Well, first of all I'm sorry if I implied that you are egoistical. I didn't mean to insult. Though I will admit, sometimes, when I see a post of an IT supporter saying that destroy is the only right choice, it's annoys the hell out of me. I know most don't do it on purpose, but they seem fully believe in it. That is actually why I'm asking now, just to have a confirmation that the IT is not only about destroy is the only option. I think I understand now there are a lot who don't think like that.

Second, I didn't know the IT is also considaring other squadmates being indoc . I only saw one thread about Liara being indoc instead of Shepard.  

You didn't insult me . I think that most of BSN's regulars by now got a pretty thick skin.

Regarding indoc'ed sqadmembers: It's not 'official' IT material, but there is possible evidence. For example, there is two kind of squadbanter during the Human reaper scene on TIM's base...
If you have time, watch IT's very own Megumi's video on different squad constellations during key moments in that scene: www.youtube.com/watch

It follows -- from other in-game oddness -- that the main suspects are: James, Liara, Ash/Kaiden.

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I didn't cure the genophage too. It was too risky with Wreav as the clan leader. And after Eve died I was certain what to do.  I feel sorry for the krogan people that they have such a stupid leadership. I'm currently runing through the games with the Wrex-saved-on-Virmire playthrough.

Your first playthrough had Wrex dead and the genophage data destroyed?

You ****ed up, son.

In my no-spoiler, no do-over playthrough, I lost Legion and Zaeed, so I wasnt able to make peace between Geth and Quarians (and I hate "Geth VI", horrible dialog compared to legion, so it really sucked), but fortunately I had everything set up perfectly to cure the genophage with both Wrex and Eve alive and well to keep the Krogan in line. 

If I had to choose between the two, I would do the same thing over again. Curing the genophage for Wrex was very satisfying and dramatic. 

I only lost Legion in my first ME2 playthrough, and I never counted it as my canon playthrough because I only lost him due to Miranda misleading me about who should lead the second fireteam.

She said they needed to be able to command loyalty through experience. Samara has the most experience out of all of them, and her description even had the word experience in it, so I picked her.

Miranda killed Legion, and went down to the bottom of my favorite crewmembers list.

Though to be fair, Miri is only at the bottom of the list because I didnt feel Jacob was worthy of being included on the list at all.

[HellishFiend]

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It's been brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It's been brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

Yknow, didnt James mention at one point that his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors?

And Ash spent like the entire game accusing me of being with Cerberus nonstop? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It's been brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

But it's good to keep in mind for the future, when the suspicious Ash asks you again whether you are sure you're in control of yourself.

[Nightingale]

Asharad Hett wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Random thought while playing campaign:

I'm pretty sure Bailey was with Cerberus.

I thought that too, but if he really is, he does not know it.

It seemed odd that he got shot and never had a wound or bled. At all. Save Liara firing up her omni-tool when she got to him, it didn't look like he took any medi-gel either.

In fact, not once did shep ever give anyone any medi-gel in this game.

Jacob never bled either.... Conspiracy?

Well, TIM shot himself and never bled...so...sure

HellishFiend wrote...

Vanilla Icebinger strikes again!

lol, that joke ended up not being too popular, I'm afraid...

Eh, I enjoyed it

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does
anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the
collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the
seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be
more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It's
been brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a
valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient.
I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS
in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

I imagine once the Collectors are out of range the stasis wears off. They probably just didn't get around to picking A/K up.

[byne]

DrTsoni wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It'sbeen brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

I imagine once the Collectors are out of range the stasis wears off. They probably just didn't get around to picking A/K up.

Except they get frozen feet away from the colonist we see get liquified at the Collector Base. No reason the Collectors wouldnt have taken Ash/Kaidan, especially considering that according to TIM, Ash/Kaidan being there is one of the reasons the Collectors attacked Horizon.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It'sbeen brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

I imagine once the Collectors are out of range the stasis wears off. They probably just didn't get around to picking A/K up.

Except they get frozen feet away from the colonist we see get liquified at the Collector Base. No reason the Collectors wouldnt have taken Ash/Kaidan, especially considering that according to TIM, Ash/Kaidan being there is one of the reasons the Collectors attacked Horizon.

And how Ash/Kaidan suddenly jump out from behind a crate.

[SubAstris]

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It's been brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

Yknow, didnt James mention at one point that his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors?

And Ash spent like the entire game accusing me of being with Cerberus nonstop? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Why does there have to be a master of the cycles? Just because some random prothean scientists thought there was one?

Reapers gonna reap. Dont need any master.

[paxxton]

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 07:23 .

[HellishFiend]

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

The Butt Pirate.

Have a nice day.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It's been brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

Yknow, didnt James mention at one point that his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors?

And Ash spent like the entire game accusing me of being with Cerberus nonstop? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

Well, that depends entirely on what you think I'm suggesting.

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Umm, the reapers?

[nightcobra]

another little thing about sounds...

remember meeting liara on mars?
she made an awful lot of noise moving around inside the vent duct, as it should be.
then let's go back to the kid in the intro, notice something different?
no sound of him moving in the duct whatsoever. either he's not there to begin with, this was a lapse of judgement on the sound team or....he's a ninja.

i doubt it was the second due to the sound design team of mass effect being one of the best and it shows on how much detail they put on each sound effect they implement into their games, also they showed how someone moving in a duct would make a lot of noise with liara right afterwards.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...
Yknow, didnt James mention at one point that his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors?

And Ash spent like the entire game accusing me of being with Cerberus nonstop? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

Well, that depends entirely on what you think I'm suggesting.

What do you think I think you're suggesting? 

[Nightingale]

byne wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Zabbo wrote...

Does anything in ME2 or ME3 explain how Ash/Kaiden got away from the collectors during the Horizon mission? You see them get stung by the seeker swarms but somehow turn up at the end of the mission. Could be more evidence to support squad member indoctrination.

It'sbeen brought up before, but to my knowledge no one has come up with a valid lore-based explanation for it. It seems to simply be convenient. I'm not sure we see any evidence or signs of indoctrination from the VS in ME3 though, so I'm not sure what to make of it. 

I imagine once the Collectors are out of range the stasis wears off. They probably just didn't get around to picking A/K up.

Except they get frozen feet away from the colonist we see get liquified at the Collector Base. No reason the Collectors wouldnt have taken Ash/Kaidan, especially considering that according to TIM, Ash/Kaidan being there is one of the reasons the Collectors attacked Horizon.

....Oh. I hadn't considered that. Plot-armour or is it safe to jump to the idea that the Reapers wanted the VS as a pawn? I think I read in the leaked script something about A/K working with Kai Leng. They didn't know he was with Cerberus, but if an indoctrinated agent wanted to use them against Shepard and they were the reason the Collectors were even on Horizon....Implications unpleasant. Anyway, I know this was cut but maybe they'd considered this back in ME2?

[byne]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

another little thing about sounds...

remember meeting liara on mars?
she made an awful lot of noise moving around inside the vent duct, as it should be.
then let's go back to the kid in the intro, notice something different?
no sound of him moving in the duct whatsoever. either he's not there to begin with, this was a lapse of judgement on the sound team or....he's a ninja.

i doubt it was the second due to the sound design team of mass effect being one of the best and it shows on how much detail they put on each sound effect they implement into their games, also they showed how someone moving in a duct would make a lot of noise with liara right afterwards.

The thing is, the kid originally makes noise, which is what drew Shep's attention to the ductin the first place, but once she gets distracted by Anderson, he just disappears with no sound. It isnt just inconsistent when comparing his vent escapades with Liara's, its inconsistent within the same scene.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...
Yknow, didnt James mention at one point that his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors?

And Ash spent like the entire game accusing me of being with Cerberus nonstop? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

Well, that depends entirely on what you think I'm suggesting.

What do you think I think you're suggesting? 

That Ash is a deep cover agent working for Cerberus? Because thats totally what I was suggesting.

She seems to pretty conveniently make her way to the Council during the coup, after all. Even Shepard wonders why she was with them, and Ash just makes up some "I was tired of being couped (see what I did there?) up in the hospital" excuse.

Also, wasnt Thane supposed to be keeping an eye on her for us, to make sure she stayed safe? And she someone manages to easily slip away from someone as observant as Thane?

[Nightingale]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

another little thing about sounds...

remember meeting liara on mars?
she made an awful lot of noise moving around inside the vent duct, as it should be.
then let's go back to the kid in the intro, notice something different?
no sound of him moving in the duct whatsoever. either he's not there to begin with, this was a lapse of judgement on the sound team or....he's a ninja.

i doubt it was the second due to the sound design team of mass effect being one of the best and it shows on how much detail they put on each sound effect they implement into their games, also they showed how someone moving in a duct would make a lot of noise with liara right afterwards.

Great, so now he's a hallucination of a child that may or may not even exist and a ninja? You know, the idea that he's Morrigan's child is making more sense by the second...

Seriously though, it was always suspicious Anderson never heard him to begin with. He makes noise when Shep first notices him, but you're right that he doesn't make a sound after that. I would think, even if he was trying to sneak away while Shepard's attention was elsewhere, there'd still be some indication. Very suspicious, indeed.

Edit: Looks like byne beat me to the punch. Sorry, ignore me

Modifié par DrTsoni, 17 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Why does there have to be a master of the cycles? Just because some random prothean scientists thought there was one?

Reapers gonna reap. Dont need any master.

Yes, but BW put that line in for a reason, and I think it is pretty obvious that it foreshadows a Catalyst-like character. That begs the question of why BW would even put that in if in fact a "master" doesn't exist.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...
That Ash is a deep cover agent working for Cerberus? Because thats totally what I was suggesting.

She seems to pretty conveniently make her way to the Council during the coup, after all. Even Shepard wonders why she was with them, and Ash just makes up some "I was tired of being couped (see what I did there?) up in the hospital" excuse.

Also, wasnt Thane supposed to be keeping an eye on her for us, to make sure she stayed safe? And she someone manages to easily slip away from someone as observant as Thane?

That's what I thought. It actually seems quite plausible. I cant think of anything that directly contradicts it....