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[paxxton]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

The Reapers themselves are sentient. I'd like to know how the protheans came to the conclusion that the Reapers werent the masters of the cycle. Just seems like a random conclusion they jumped to.

It's the same thing with evolution and how some people think that there's a concious master behind it.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 07:47 .

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...


The Reapers themselves are sentient. I'd like to know how the protheans came to the conclusion that the Reapers werent the masters of the cycle. Just seems like a random conclusion they jumped to.

Come to think of it, that VI could have been programmed by one of the very indoctrinated Protheans that he mentions. It could be feeding misinformation from the very start. There's no way to know for sure. 

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

*rational, plausible explanation*

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I refreshed the page. The precious monitor would've had to be cleaned.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[SubAstris]

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

Smiley faces and the Catalyst should never be used in the same sentence.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I refreshed the page. The precious monitor would've had to be cleaned.

They make it too easy sometimes. 

[paxxton]

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

In the literal interpretation, yes it is, but in the IT interpretation the Catalyst is Harbinger masking as a child and we still have to verify Vendetta's hypothesis. 

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 07:55 .

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

The Reapers themselves are sentient. I'd like to know how the protheans came to the conclusion that the Reapers werent the masters of the cycle. Just seems like a random conclusion they jumped to.

It could be random, we have no access to their data, but that doesn't really matter, because we are given it and the consideration that the Protheans could be wrong about the data is never brought up. IMO it is vital foreshadowing of the Catalyst. Other explanations are nowhere as satisfactory considering the game we got

[Sero303]

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

that's assuming you believe the catalyst, and if you do, then IFT isn't true, and the point is entirely moot, and you have become indoctrinated by EA...

[Corik]

*comes to see what's going on in the thread
Indoctrinated presence detected. Emergency systems activated.
*goes back to replay Mass Effect. Doctor Heart is not going to kill himself.

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Now seriously, how's it going? Any new info before I go back to ME?

[SubAstris]

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

In the literal interpretation, yes it is, but in the IT interpretaion the Catalyst is Harbinger masking as a child and we still have to verify Vendetta's hypothesis. 

True, but it does stand as good evidence for taking the Catalyst as being a real thing against IT, since it fits so perfectly. But if IT is true, BW will have to make a Catalyst-like character anyway to explain what Vendetta is saying

[paxxton]

Corik wrote...

*comes to see what's going on in the thread
Indoctrinated presence detected. Emergency systems activated.
*goes back to replay Mass Effect. Doctor Heart is not going to kill himself.

-----------------------

Now seriously, how's it going? Any new info before I go back to ME?

Check out RSDT.

Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)
http://social.biowar...32/827#12611367

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 08:02 .

[FellishBeast]

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Great Cthulhu.

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

*comes to see what's going on in the thread
Indoctrinated presence detected. Emergency systems activated.
*goes back to replay Mass Effect. Doctor Heart is not going to kill himself.

-----------------------

Now seriously, how's it going? Any new info before I go back to ME?

byne postulated that the VS might be indoctrinated and/or a Cerberus agent, and so far we havent thought of anything to contradict that hypothesis. We can only think of things that support it. 

TSA also pitch shifted some of the dream whispers and sounds to look for hidden messages. Didnt find any, but the infrasound in them is much more than simple solid tones, which means Bioware put extra effort into something we'd literally never hear or find without analyzing the files. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[Corik]

paxxton wrote...

Check out RSDT.

You will have to tell me what RSDT is

Edit: Nevermind

Modifié par Corik, 17 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[SubAstris]

Sero303 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

that's assuming you believe the catalyst, and if you do, then IFT isn't true, and the point is entirely moot, and you have become indoctrinated by EA...

As I have said, it seems to be, no scrap is, a perfect fit, the Catalyst and what Vendetta is saying. If IT is true, a very similar character will have to appear as well to explain this

[nightcobra]

SubAstris wrote...

As I have said, it seems to be, no scrap is, a perfect fit, the Catalyst and what Vendetta is saying. If IT is true, a very similar character will have to appear as well to explain this

i'd rather it be just implied that there's something behind the reapers pattern but never outright explained, destroying the reapers would mean destroying the enforcers of this pattern while the cause of it is still unknown paving the way for another mass effect game but as far as reapers are concerned that particular arc would be over.

[paxxton]

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

In the literal interpretation, yes it is, but in the IT interpretaion the Catalyst is Harbinger masking as a child and we still have to verify Vendetta's hypothesis. 

True, but it does stand as good evidence for taking the Catalyst as being a real thing against IT, since it fits so perfectly. But if IT is true, BW will have to make a Catalyst-like character anyway to explain what Vendetta is saying

Vendetta isn't all-knowing. He might have been mistaken. We don't know it yet (in IT).

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

Smiley faces and the Catalyst should never be used in the same sentence.

Why the unsubstantiated hate for it?

[SubAstris]

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If IT is correct, who is the master of the cycles?

Forces of the Universe. Not who but what. The Grand Scheme of Things. This is just how it all works.

If true, this would undoubtedly have to be explained in the EC if it turns out that IT is true, since it is clearly foreshadowing a Catalyst-like character

Uhm, on the contrary, I meant there's no Reaper master in the IT interpretation. The cycle just happens. Like evolution.

Although it is heavily implied in the narrative that there is a sentient force behind it all

A way the things happen isn't a character. Vendetta only hypothesizes that there's a master.

And his hypothesis is proven correct by the Catalyst

In the literal interpretation, yes it is, but in the IT interpretaion the Catalyst is Harbinger masking as a child and we still have to verify Vendetta's hypothesis. 

True, but it does stand as good evidence for taking the Catalyst as being a real thing against IT, since it fits so perfectly. But if IT is true, BW will have to make a Catalyst-like character anyway to explain what Vendetta is saying

Vendetta isn't all-knowing. He might have been mistaken. We don't know it yet (in IT).

Possibly, although you would have expected that if BW wanted us to doubt the veracity of Vendetta' statement they would have made it clear before we meet the Catalyst and so put in the main game, as a further reason to not trust the Catalyst. The fact that this doesn't happen IMO adds to the evidence that Catalyst in this respect is not lying.

[Corik]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne postulated that the VS might be indoctrinated and/or a Cerberus agent, and so far we havent thought of anything to contradict that hypothesis. We can only think of things that support it. 

TSA also pitch shifted some of the dream whispers and sounds to look for hidden messages. Didnt find any, but the infrasound in them is much more than simple solid tones, which means Bioware put extra effort into something we'd literally never hear or find without analyzing the files. 

What? VS indoctrinated? No way... sorry! Kaidan is the only one who keep me going on between all that ****. If he's indoctrinated or a traitor my Shepard could perfectly just take a gun and shoot himself.

Modifié par Corik, 17 juin 2012 - 08:03 .

[HellishFiend]

Guys, you're wasting your effort. He'll never concede a rational point whether he agrees with it or not. You might as well type your thoughts into MS Word, because you'd get more valuable feedback from the spelling and grammar checking engine than you're getting from his counterpoints.

[FellishBeast]

I actually heard someone speculate that the Catalyst is actually Sovereign. Sounds ridiculous, but they said that when he was weakened by Saren's defeat, he could have quickly uploaded himself to the Citadel to save a part of himself. This doesn't really make sense, cause I don't think Reapers function like AI's, but I wouldn't complain about meeting my old chum

Could be the reason why the Reapers didn't take the Citadel, either, cause Sovereign had it under control. Indoctrinating the people, keeping them docile and such.

Anyways, silly idea, but I thought it would be a cool twist

[SubAstris]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

As I have said, it seems to be, no scrap is, a perfect fit, the Catalyst and what Vendetta is saying. If IT is true, a very similar character will have to appear as well to explain this

i'd rather it be just implied that there's something behind the reapers pattern but never outright explained, destroying the reapers would mean destroying the enforcers of this pattern while the cause of it is still unknown paving the way for another mass effect game but as far as reapers are concerned that particular arc would be over.

It depends. Some want everything explained out for them, others barely anything, and usually most somewhere in the middle. It seems clear that BW deliberately didn't explain absolutely everything to keep the mystique of the Reapers, although they, as we all know, didn't go too well

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

I actually heard someone speculate that the Catalyst is actually Sovereign. Sounds ridiculous, but they said that when he was weakened by Saren's defeat, he could have quickly uploaded himself to the Citadel to save a part of himself. This doesn't really make sense, cause I don't think Reapers function like AI's, but I wouldn't complain about meeting my old chum

Could be the reason why the Reapers didn't take the Citadel, either, cause Sovereign had it under control. Indoctrinating the people, keeping them docile and such.

Anyways, silly idea, but I thought it would be a cool twist

That would be quite a twist.  Not sure if they could pull it off believably, but it would be awesome just to hear Sovereigns voice again, if nothing else.