Indeed. Suspicious.Dwailing wrote...
paxxton wrote...
So.......?Dwailing wrote...
Hey, did anyone know that Jessica friended Parabolee? I just find it interesting that she did that. And come to think of it, I haven't seen Parabolee posting on this thread since then... (He did post some counter-points in support of IT on one thread five days ago, but still...
Honestly, I'm really not sure if it means anything, but if just seemed interesting that one of IT's biggest supporters in BW friended the guy who runs THE IT website. And it also seemed kind of interesting that since then, he hasn't posted here.
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
#21201
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:34
#21202
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:34
I thought about this then someone here brought up that the Zha'ti, the AIs that took over the Zha in the Protheans' cycle, were rewritten by the Reapers before turning on their creators. not unlike what happened with the Geth during the current cycle, or even the Rachni, when the rachni warriors were indoctrinated to fight the citadel races.
Despite wanting to "protect" organics from synthetics, it is clear the Reapers interfere with the cycles to set events to go the way they want them to. it is almost like they want these events to unfold as they do, as if they WANT synthetics to turn against organics.
Why would they do this you ask? well IMO it is to give themselves purpose, to justify their existence. if they were created to save organics from synthetics, but if synthetics are never a threat to organics, the Reapers are without purpose, and no sentient being want to feel useless. All sentient life wants purpose and for the Reapers their purpose is continuing this same pattern so they can both fulfill the roll they were created for, and to essentially "reproduce" and take something from the galaxy (not exactly giving anything beck really.)
That's just a theory I have about it of course and if IT is true, then we may be able to learn more about how the Reapers may or may not be slaves of the pattern they were created to stop.
#21203
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:35
FellishBeast wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
paxxton wrote...
So.......?Dwailing wrote...
Hey, did anyone know that Jessica friended Parabolee? I just find it interesting that she did that. And come to think of it, I haven't seen Parabolee posting on this thread since then... (He did post some counter-points in support of IT on one thread five days ago, but still...
Honestly, I'm really not sure if it means anything, but if just seemed interesting that one of IT's biggest supporters in BW friended the guy who runs THE IT website. And it also seemed kind of interesting that since then, he hasn't posted here.
We have a website?
Well, website is the wrong word. Technically, I believe it's a blog.
#21204
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:37
Dwailing wrote...
paxxton wrote...
So.......?Dwailing wrote...
Hey, did anyone know that Jessica friended Parabolee? I just find it interesting that she did that. And come to think of it, I haven't seen Parabolee posting on this thread since then... (He did post some counter-points in support of IT on one thread five days ago, but still...
Honestly, I'm really not sure if it means anything, but if just seemed interesting that one of IT's biggest supporters in BW friended the guy who runs THE IT website. And it also seemed kind of interesting that since then, he hasn't posted here.
I think we should stick to the in-game conspiracies, IMO. Once we start seeing conspiracy theories that involve other conspiracy theorists... well... /Councilor Valern
Modifié par HellishFiend, 17 juin 2012 - 11:40 .
#21205
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:37
FellishBeast wrote...
Just got an email from Shiala. I thought this would give us some info about the whole Reaper vs. Thorian thing. I figure I'll write the whole thing for the sake of context. Pay close attention to the third paragraph.
"From: Shiala
Dear Commander Shepard:
I don't know if you've seen the articles, but the people of Zhu's Hope are fighting again. This time it's Reapers instead of the geth.
I'm not sure if you remember me, but you helped me back on Illium. The Thorian is dead now. I can confirm that. But the spores in our bodies remain, and on some level, we are still connected.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. As we fight back the Reapers, we feel each other, and act with one mind, ignoring pain when the need arises. I'm sure I'm still indoctrinated. I remember Sovereign's voice in my mind when I went willingly to the Thorian as its thrall. But my connection to the people of Zhu's Hope is strong. It drowns out the Reaper voices.
This situation is imperfect, and dangerous. Perhaps the colonists should separate, for their own safety. But with one mind, the untrained fight with the skill of veteran commandos. Our force is strong.
I have not forgotten how you helped us, how you spared me. We are leaving Feros soon, and when the time comes, we will fight with you."
So it looks like the spores don't "cure" indoctrination, as we speculated. But look, she seems to be aware that she is indoctrinated, and just ignores it?? What the actual..?
What she says about fighting as one mind, makes me think even more that the thorian is some kind of precurser to the Reapers. you know, the idea that a Reaper's mind is made up of millions of individual minds from the species it was constructed from. Sounds like the Thorian spores could be used to make them one united mind.
#21206
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:37
Modifié par WhisperFire26, 17 juin 2012 - 11:39 .
#21207
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:38
HellishFiend wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
paxxton wrote...
So.......?Dwailing wrote...
Hey, did anyone know that Jessica friended Parabolee? I just find it interesting that she did that. And come to think of it, I haven't seen Parabolee posting on this thread since then... (He did post some counter-points in support of IT on one thread five days ago, but still...
Honestly, I'm really not sure if it means anything, but if just seemed interesting that one of IT's biggest supporters in BW friended the guy who runs THE IT website. And it also seemed kind of interesting that since then, he hasn't posted here.
I think we should stick to the in-game conspiracies, IMO. Once we start seeing conspiracies theories that involve other conspiracy theorists... well... /Councilor Valern
Probably for the best.
#21208
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:38
Yes, I brought up a similar explanation a few pages ago while talking with SubAstris.Arashi08 wrote...
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that the pattern the galaxy follows as a result of the Reaper's influence is the "master?" Vendetta does mention they the protheans believed the Reapers were "servants of the pattern," and the fact that the "master" isn't observed, but inferred.
I thought about this then someone here brought up that the Zha'ti, the AIs that took over the Zha in the Protheans' cycle, were rewritten by the Reapers before turning on their creators. not unlike what happened with the Geth during the current cycle, or even the Rachni, when the rachni warriors were indoctrinated to fight the citadel races.
Despite wanting to "protect" organics from synthetics, it is clear the Reapers interfere with the cycles to set events to go the way they want them to. it is almost like they want these events to unfold as they do, as if they WANT synthetics to turn against organics.
Why would they do this you ask? well IMO it is to give themselves purpose, to justify their existence. if they were created to save organics from synthetics, but if synthetics are never a threat to organics, the Reapers are without purpose, and no sentient being want to feel useless. All sentient life wants purpose and for the Reapers their purpose is continuing this same pattern so they can both fulfill the roll they were created for, and to essentially "reproduce" and take something from the galaxy (not exactly giving anything beck really.)
That's just a theory I have about it of course and if IT is true, then we may be able to learn more about how the Reapers may or may not be slaves of the pattern they were created to stop.
Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 11:39 .
#21209
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:39
#21210
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:40
Arashi08 wrote...
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that the pattern the galaxy follows as a result of the Reaper's influence is the "master?" Vendetta does mention they the protheans believed the Reapers were "servants of the pattern," and the fact that the "master" isn't observed, but inferred.
I thought about this then someone here brought up that the Zha'ti, the AIs that took over the Zha in the Protheans' cycle, were rewritten by the Reapers before turning on their creators. not unlike what happened with the Geth during the current cycle, or even the Rachni, when the rachni warriors were indoctrinated to fight the citadel races.
Despite wanting to "protect" organics from synthetics, it is clear the Reapers interfere with the cycles to set events to go the way they want them to. it is almost like they want these events to unfold as they do, as if they WANT synthetics to turn against organics.
Why would they do this you ask? well IMO it is to give themselves purpose, to justify their existence. if they were created to save organics from synthetics, but if synthetics are never a threat to organics, the Reapers are without purpose, and no sentient being want to feel useless. All sentient life wants purpose and for the Reapers their purpose is continuing this same pattern so they can both fulfill the roll they were created for, and to essentially "reproduce" and take something from the galaxy (not exactly giving anything beck really.)
That's just a theory I have about it of course and if IT is true, then we may be able to learn more about how the Reapers may or may not be slaves of the pattern they were created to stop.
It would certainly serve as a testament to their arrogance, that's for sure.But I like this explanation--It reminds me of when EDI explains that the Reapers are 'more fallible than they claim' (here's looking at Sovereign.)
...And I see that the page numbers have nearly doubled here I was here last time.
#21211
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:42
TSA_383 wrote...
Video link for this:TSA_383 wrote...
I just found something interesting.
Remember the chimes at the end?
I just found a use of them in the game - it plays when you take the VS back onto the normandy after they've been injured.
Can't work out why it plays though, it seems out of place for the scene.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8itl5a
When do the chimes occur during the video?
#21212
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:43
Rifneno wrote...
Humakt83 wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Humakt83 wrote...
Does the sign "No step" and "T78" mean anything? They are on the Normandy.
I'm gonna say "no step" means "do not step here."
T78 is probably tech jargen.
Nothing special to avoid stepping on where the sign is located.
Is it in the cockpit? I can just see the dev conversations now. "Crap, we forgot to fix that bug that paralyzes Shepard when he's standing next to Joker!" "What are we going to do? We don't have time for a code change." "How about we just stick one of those 'do not step here' signs there?" "Ha! That's hilarious!"
It is on the corridor connecting war room and security check.
I know it is a bit far-fetched, but I guess "No step" could be somehow connected to footstep sounds you can hear in Shepard's cabin.
#21213
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:43
Arashi08 wrote...
Why would they do this you ask? well IMO it is to give themselves purpose, to justify their existence.
I thought of something similar as well, and it would certainly work for them. Reapers justifying their existance is much like how many Firefighters hundreds of years ago worked - they started fires so they could come and put them out again.
Only problem with it is the whole concept of organics not being able to comprehend their actions. But then maybe the Reapers have a serious ego problem too.
Ideally I'd rather have no concrete explination for them. I like the mystery and the speculation - it makes them more scary.
#21214
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:44
FellishBeast wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
paxxton wrote...
So.......?Dwailing wrote...
Hey, did anyone know that Jessica friended Parabolee? I just find it interesting that she did that. And come to think of it, I haven't seen Parabolee posting on this thread since then... (He did post some counter-points in support of IT on one thread five days ago, but still...
Honestly, I'm really not sure if it means anything, but if just seemed interesting that one of IT's biggest supporters in BW friended the guy who runs THE IT website. And it also seemed kind of interesting that since then, he hasn't posted here.
I think we should stick to the in-game conspiracies, IMO. Once we start seeing conspiracies theories that involve other conspiracy theorists... well... /Coucilor Valern
Probably for the best.
Yeah, that probably IS a good idea. Still, I just thought it seemed a little weird, that's all. What can I say, I haven't seen Jessica friending anyone ELSE related to IT.
#21215
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:45
deltacypresss wrote...
Demersel- There is quite a few investigate options i found. but you are right about there not being any neutral options anywhere.
I think i should clarify what i mean by "autodialog" - it is when conversation just unfolds, with very little or non input from you. It is a very common situation in ME3 - you star a conversation, or a cutscene - chose one of two given options and then watch a long conversation unfold, with out anyway to influence it, until you're given two options again - etc/
#21216
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:50
demersel wrote...
deltacypresss wrote...
Demersel- There is quite a few investigate options i found. but you are right about there not being any neutral options anywhere.
I think i should clarify what i mean by "autodialog" - it is when conversation just unfolds, with very little or non input from you. It is a very common situation in ME3 - you star a conversation, or a cutscene - chose one of two given options and then watch a long conversation unfold, with out anyway to influence it, until you're given two options again - etc/
Or worse yet, you initiate dialogue...and then you get no imput at all until it ends. And you don't even get a conversation cutscene.
Vainly hoping that it'll all be fleshed out with DLC at some stage. Especially the Elcor mission.
Modifié par Andromidius, 17 juin 2012 - 11:56 .
#21217
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 11:59
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?Andromidius wrote...
demersel wrote...
deltacypresss wrote...
Demersel- There is quite a few investigate options i found. but you are right about there not being any neutral options anywhere.
I think i should clarify what i mean by "autodialog" - it is when conversation just unfolds, with very little or non input from you. It is a very common situation in ME3 - you star a conversation, or a cutscene - chose one of two given options and then watch a long conversation unfold, with out anyway to influence it, until you're given two options again - etc/
Or worse yet, you initiate dialogue...and then you get no imput at all until it ends. And you don't even get a conversation cutscene.
Vainly hoping that it'll all be fleshed out with DLC at some stage. Especially the Elcor mission.
Modifié par paxxton, 17 juin 2012 - 11:59 .
#21218
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:02
paxxton wrote...
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?
The scan mission towards the end of the game where you go to the Elcor Homeworld.
My hope would be all the scan missions are removed and replaced with fully fleshed out side missions. A vain hope, like I said.
#21219
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:04
Andromidius wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?
The scan mission towards the end of the game where you go to the Elcor Homeworld.
My hope would be all the scan missions are removed and replaced with fully fleshed out side missions. A vain hope, like I said.
Maybe all of ME3 is really just a massive social experiment and the rest of the game is yet to come...
#21220
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:04
Dwailing wrote...
Honestly, I'm really not sure if it means anything, but if just seemed interesting that one of IT's biggest supporters in BW friended the guy who runs THE IT website. And it also seemed kind of interesting that since then, he hasn't posted here.
I doubt it means anything. Parabolee has done a lot for IT and Jessica is a big supporter of IT as a fan. Makes sense that she'd friend him. That she works for BW is pretty much happenstance.
Andromidius wrote...
Another thing I'm wondering... Balak.
Does his dialogue change depending if you did Arrival or not? I remember him outright blaming Shepard for those events (I did Arrival), does he do the same regardless? How about if you never did Bring Down The Sky? He appears regardless (unless you kill him in Bring Down The Sky?) doesn't he?
If he does blame Shepard without Arrival being completed, this means either:
1/ He's blaming Shepard by proxy, seeing as he/she is the most famous Human in the galaxy;
2/ He's misinformed;
3/ Arrival is canon regardless of if you actually did it or not (possibly an oversight by Bioware, considering other dialogue talks about other people doing it?).
While /1 would seem most likely, it seems /3 would be interesting evidence to support Arrival as being canon for all Shepards (admittedly shakey, as mentioned above). Which means he/she was exposed to Object Rho.
...its probably nothing, but hey. Just idle thinking. That and Balak really should have had a bigger role, he's an interesting character.
I just looked through the text dump of Balak's dialogue. I didn't see Arrival mentioned at all, whether it was done or not. It was just Terra Nova and the Leviathan of Dis.
Arashi08 wrote...
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that the pattern the galaxy follows as a result of the Reaper's influence is the "master?" Vendetta does mention they the protheans believed the Reapers were "servants of the pattern," and the fact that the "master" isn't observed, but inferred.
Personally I think Vendetta is a Reaper plant to begin with. The most compelling reason is that there is no way he could know about that pattern. The idea that the Protheans could have researched and found out so much information about past cycles while not finding out about the Reapers is simply ludicrous. But we know that the Protheans were taken totally by surprise when the Reapers invaded. The only logical conclusion to me is that Vendetta is full of crap. Perhaps he was tampered with. Perhaps the original scientist that he made from was slightly indoctrinated. Perhaps Flemeth did. Who the hell knows. What I do know is that his story doesn't add up. The only part of it that we know adds up to anything is his pattern and master nonsense that points to Starbinger. And that only adds up if taken as a literalist POV. No, to hell with Vendetta.
Another point is that I always hear a low, barely noticable ringing in the temple where you find him. I don't need to elaborate on that of course. Also, he doesn't fit with what we know about other Prothean VI's or tech. Admittedly, that's very little, but still... Vigil didn't mistake Shepard for a Prothean despite the cipher so why did Vendetta? The Prothean logs on Eden Prime with Javik were in Prothean language and only Shepard and his cipher could understand them. If Vendetta really believed Shepard to be a Prothean, why was he speaking in a language everyone could understand? If he'd monitored their communications to learn some of the language, as Vigil did on Ilos, then he'd know Shepard isn't Prothean. The whole think reeks and I don't trust Vendetta as far as I can throw Jupiter.
WhisperFire26 wrote...
About the videos posted in this thread: It helped alleviate my disappointment considerably, but not entirely. In any case, thanks for the info.
Glad to hear it. We're always happy to hear another disappointed, depressed soul has found solace in IT. Shame the literalists think that we're just accepting a clear falsehood to comfort ourselves. But, fools will be fools.
demersel wrote...
I think i should clarify what i mean by "autodialog" - it is when conversation just unfolds, with very little or non input from you. It is a very common situation in ME3 - you star a conversation, or a cutscene - chose one of two given options and then watch a long conversation unfold, with out anyway to influence it, until you're given two options again - etc/
The autodialogue that bothered me most was talking to Joker after Thessia. Shepard is a total asswad no matter what you pick.
#21221
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:10
Then why until recently the game had a bug in the scanning mechanism that effectively caused me to neglect doing most sidequests? Huh?Dwailing wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?
The scan mission towards the end of the game where you go to the Elcor Homeworld.
My hope would be all the scan missions are removed and replaced with fully fleshed out side missions. A vain hope, like I said.
Maybe all of ME3 is really just a massive social experiment and the rest of the game is yet to come...
Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 12:14 .
#21222
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:12
Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 12:12 .
#21223
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:13
paxxton wrote...
Then why until recently the game had a bug in the scvanning mechanism that effectively caused me to neglect doing most sidequests? Huh?Dwailing wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?
The scan mission towards the end of the game where you go to the Elcor Homeworld.
My hope would be all the scan missions are removed and replaced with fully fleshed out side missions. A vain hope, like I said.
Maybe all of ME3 is really just a massive social experiment and the rest of the game is yet to come...
Because bugs aren't planned?
#21224
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:16
Yes, I know but still a mechanism that is vital to the experiment shouldn't have such an obvious bug caused by simply remapping the key the scanner uses (right mouse button) to a different action.FellishBeast wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Then why until recently the game had a bug in the scvanning mechanism that effectively caused me to neglect doing most sidequests? Huh?Dwailing wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?
The scan mission towards the end of the game where you go to the Elcor Homeworld.
My hope would be all the scan missions are removed and replaced with fully fleshed out side missions. A vain hope, like I said.
Maybe all of ME3 is really just a massive social experiment and the rest of the game is yet to come...
Because bugs aren't planned?
Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 12:18 .
#21225
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 12:19
paxxton wrote...
Yes, I know but still a mechanism that is vital to the experiment shouldn't have such an obvious bug caused by simply remapping the key the scanner used (right mouse button) to a different action.FellishBeast wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Then why until recently the game had a bug in the scvanning mechanism that effectively caused me to neglect doing most sidequests? Huh?Dwailing wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Could you remind me what Elcor mission are you refering to?
The scan mission towards the end of the game where you go to the Elcor Homeworld.
My hope would be all the scan missions are removed and replaced with fully fleshed out side missions. A vain hope, like I said.
Maybe all of ME3 is really just a massive social experiment and the rest of the game is yet to come...
Because bugs aren't planned?
*yawn* I don't know. I thought a few times ME3 might be a social experiment. Not based on the fetch missions, however.
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