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[Nightingale]

deltacypresss wrote...

DrTsoni- there is something about the way the Shepard in the dream looks at you while its burning. I always get this very sinister feeling about it.

Agreed. It's part of the reason I associate the dreams with Indoctrination.

[Flash_Death]

Arashi08 wrote...

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that the pattern the galaxy follows as a result of the Reaper's influence is the "master?" Vendetta does mention they the protheans believed the Reapers were "servants of the pattern," and the fact that the "master" isn't observed, but inferred.

I thought about this then someone here brought up that the Zha'ti, the AIs that took over the Zha in the Protheans' cycle, were rewritten by the Reapers before turning on their creators. not unlike what happened with the Geth during the current cycle, or even the Rachni, when the rachni warriors were indoctrinated to fight the citadel races.

Despite wanting to "protect" organics from synthetics, it is clear the Reapers interfere with the cycles to set events to go the way they want them to. it is almost like they want these events to unfold as they do, as if they WANT synthetics to turn against organics.

Why would they do this you ask? well IMO it is to give themselves purpose, to justify their existence. if they were created to save organics from synthetics, but if synthetics are never a threat to organics, the Reapers are without purpose, and no sentient being want to feel useless. All sentient life wants purpose and for the Reapers their purpose is continuing this same pattern so they can both fulfill the roll they were created for, and to essentially "reproduce" and take something from the galaxy (not exactly giving anything beck really.)

That's just a theory I have about it of course and if IT is true, then we may be able to learn more about how the Reapers may or may not be slaves of the pattern they were created to stop.

Sovereign said when shepard talks with him in mass effect 1 that they (the reapers) built the mass relays and citadel to force organics to develop along the paths that they desire.  Therefore I know that reapers force the cycle.

Modifié par Flash_Death, 18 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[Dwailing]

I should point out that I wasn't COMPLETELY serious when I suggested that ME3 is a social experiment...

[Arashi08]

Flash_Death wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that the pattern the galaxy follows as a result of the Reaper's influence is the "master?" Vendetta does mention they the protheans believed the Reapers were "servants of the pattern," and the fact that the "master" isn't observed, but inferred.

I thought about this then someone here brought up that the Zha'ti, the AIs that took over the Zha in the Protheans' cycle, were rewritten by the Reapers before turning on their creators. not unlike what happened with the Geth during the current cycle, or even the Rachni, when the rachni warriors were indoctrinated to fight the citadel races.

Despite wanting to "protect" organics from synthetics, it is clear the Reapers interfere with the cycles to set events to go the way they want them to. it is almost like they want these events to unfold as they do, as if they WANT synthetics to turn against organics.

Why would they do this you ask? well IMO it is to give themselves purpose, to justify their existence. if they were created to save organics from synthetics, but if synthetics are never a threat to organics, the Reapers are without purpose, and no sentient being want to feel useless. All sentient life wants purpose and for the Reapers their purpose is continuing this same pattern so they can both fulfill the roll they were created for, and to essentially "reproduce" and take something from the galaxy (not exactly giving anything beck really.)

That's just a theory I have about it of course and if IT is true, then we may be able to learn more about how the Reapers may or may not be slaves of the pattern they were created to stop.

Sovereign said when shepard talks with him in mass effect 1 that they (the reapers) built the mass relays and citadel to force organics to develop along the paths that they desire.  Therefore I know that reapers force the cycle.

Yes this, combined with the Reaper's constant interference in the cycles, points to that conclusion as rather likely.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

I should point out that I wasn't COMPLETELY serious when I suggested that ME3 is a social experiment...

LOL. So you happened to bring up a completely serious point.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 12:31 .

[plfranke]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I should point out that I wasn't COMPLETELY serious when I suggested that ME3 is a social experiment...

LOL. So you happened to bring up a completely serious point.

That's the way jokes work they require an element of truth.

[deltacypresss]

plfranke wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I should point out that I wasn't COMPLETELY serious when I suggested that ME3 is a social experiment...

LOL. So you happened to bring up a completely serious point.

That's the way jokes work they require an element of truth.

If IT is planned, then the ending of ME3 is nothing but a social experiment imo.

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

@Rifneno: Because Joker sometimes (usually?) behaves like an idiot.

That's incredibly stupid. First of all, no he doesn't. Second of all, he's scared ****less about his missing family that, oh yeah, Shepard might even know died a horrible death. Yet the PARAGON response just chews him out.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Rifneno: Because Joker sometimes (usually?) behaves like an idiot.

That's incredibly stupid. First of all, no he doesn't. Second of all, he's scared ****less about his missing family that, oh yeah, Shepard might even know died a horrible death. Yet the PARAGON response just chews him out.

Also, remember Joker's line when talking to EDI about the Rachni Wars' joke? "Humour isn't really about being nice. Sometimes it's a way to air out all the ugly things people think." He was just doing that again, and Shepard goes crazy about it

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Rifneno: Because Joker sometimes (usually?) behaves like an idiot.

That's incredibly stupid. First of all, no he doesn't. Second of all, he's scared ****less about his missing family that, oh yeah, Shepard might even know died a horrible death. Yet the PARAGON response just chews him out.

Also, remember Joker's line when talking to EDI about the Rachni Wars' joke? "Humour isn't really about being nice. Sometimes it's a way to air out all the ugly things people think." He was just doing that again, and Shepard goes crazy about it

It's just that there are situations in which jokes are simply not the best way to blow off steam. In my opinion that was one of those.

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

It's just that there are situations in which jokes are simply not the best way to blow off steam. In my opinion that was one of those.

And?  The guy's terrified about his missing (and dead) family and the only option is to be a douche to him over a bad joke.  There's screwed up.  Period.  End of story.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's just that there are situations in which jokes are simply not the best way to blow off steam. In my opinion that was one of those.

And?  The guy's terrified about his missing (and dead) family and the only option is to be a douche to him over a bad joke.  There's screwed up.  Period.  End of story.

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown (and doesn't justify Joker's behavior).

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

OK, I understand. Wasn't refering to the diversity in people's reactions.

Anyway, the bolded part made me laugh. I've never liked Joker too much. And his sense of humor.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[munnellyladt]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

I think paxxtons right.
nomatter what Joker is worying about he should not be making jokes about genocide.

[Dwailing]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

No kidding!  I wanted the option to laugh at the joke, or at least the option let it slide.  It seemed very out of character for Shepard (Well, my Shepard.) to snap like that at Joker.  

Modifié par Dwailing, 18 juin 2012 - 01:23 .

[paxxton]

munnellyladt wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

I think paxxtons right.
nomatter what Joker is worying about he should not be making jokes about genocide.

Thanks munnellyladt! I was starting to think I'm the only one around who thinks that way.

[Arashi08]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

OK, I understand. Wasn't refering to the diversity in people's reactions.

Anyway, the bolded part made me laugh. I've never liked Joker too much. And his sense of humor.

We all make mistakes and lash out at people sometimes when we are under stress.  it did seem out of character for Shepard certainly, but I don't think anything ever affected her like what happened on Thessia, she was beaten (kind of) by Kai Leng and the mission failed.  Shepard isn't used to losing, especially when the galaxy is at stake.  it doesn't excuse her remark, but I understood why she felt that way. 

Is this supposed to be linked to Shepard's indoctrination? if so it is a really weak link imo.  it makes sense to me that Shepard would feel stressed abd angry, especially when everyone is depending on her and her actions alone could make or break the galaxy, and because ME3 was supposed to help us understand Shepard's feelings more than in previous games.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

No kidding!  I wanted the option to laugh at the joke, or at least the option let it slide.  It seemed very out of character for Shepard (Well, my Shepard.) to snap like that at Joker.  

The option to let it slide is what I could choose but I'd never laugh at it after what I saw just a few minutes earlier. C'mon, this is ridiculous.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[munnellyladt]

paxxton wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

I think paxxtons right.
nomatter what Joker is worying about he should not be making jokes about genocide.

Thanks munnellyladt! I was starting to think I'm the only one around who thinks that way.

I just can't believe people think its funny to joke about genocide that just happened!

[paxxton]

munnellyladt wrote...

paxxton wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

I think paxxtons right.
nomatter what Joker is worying about he should not be making jokes about genocide.

Thanks munnellyladt! I was starting to think I'm the only one around who thinks that way.

I just can't believe people think its funny to joke about genocide that just happened!

Yup. Let's hope they don't think it would be ok in RL.

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

No kidding!  I wanted the option to laugh at the joke, or at least the option let it slide.  It seemed very out of character for Shepard (Well, my Shepard.) to snap like that at Joker.  

The option to let it slide is what I could choose but I'd never laugh at it after what I saw just a few minutes earlier. C'mon, this is ridiculous.

No it isn't. Thessia was one of the most emotionally forced events in all of Mass Effect. There are a lot of both positive and negative emotional moments throughout the series, but here it felt like they were trying to shove it down your throat, like "Feel Bad!". I know at HellishFiend agrees with me on this.

[HellishFiend]

Almost done with the Infrasound video, guys. Doing the credits right now. Barring any problems, it should get posted later today.

In addition to crediting the entire thread for being awesome, TSA, MaximizedAction, and FFZero get special mention for doing extra sound analyzing and posting screens. Am I missing anyone?

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Being scared about his family doesn't justify him to make stupid jokes about other's losses. Besides, Shepard reacts to this before Joker tells him about his family. Whether he knew it or not, is unknown.

You don't seem to be getting this.  Your viewpoint isn't everyone's viewpoint.  A lot of people thought Shepard was just an ass, no matter what they did.  That's about the only time that Shepard is an ass no matter what, and it's to a beloved crewmate.  That's very out of character for a lot of people's Shepards.

Exactly, it might as well have been auto dialogue, because there wasn't really a choice.

No kidding!  I wanted the option to laugh at the joke, or at least the option let it slide.  It seemed very out of character for Shepard (Well, my Shepard.) to snap like that at Joker.  

The option to let it slide is what I could choose but I'd never laugh at it after what I saw just a few minutes earlier. C'mon, this is ridiculous.

No it isn't. Thessia was one of the most emotionally forced events in all of Mass Effect. There are a lot of both positive and negative emotional moments throughout the series, but here it felt like they were trying to shove it down your throat, like "Feel Bad!". I know at HellishFiend agrees with me on this.

Well, I don't. The whole game was emotional and usually with emotions comes disagreement on whether they are justified.

Saying that Thessia was forced from that perspective is like saying that BioWare made a wrong decision to make the WHOLE game much more emotionally engaging.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 01:46 .