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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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HellishFiend wrote...

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Lol yeah I imported my character and started playing ME3 when my friend told me the ME2 DLC was important to the story. Full stop! Plunk down some money for MS points. Replay ME2 with the DLC :P


My pitstop was even less graceful than that. :( Instead of importing my character and jumping in, I got hit with the unreadable face data bug. I had to spend several hours finding and using a workaround before I could play. 

So basically, my manshep phoned the Reapers and told them to wait a few more hours while he "put his face on". So vain.....


Oh man I got that too. I was like NO that is NOT my Shepard! Finally got her to look almost the same (a little better actually) but still took a while to get used to it. Lol now I'm playing a NG+ with that same Shep in ME1, and she looks like a younger version of how she looked in ME3, which is kinda cool.

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How's it going, folks?  Anything of note occur today?

I just made peace between the Quarians and Reapers, and I've got to say - being able to put an end to this tragic war is, for me, the most satisfying thing in the whole game.  Because of that, I absolutely, unequivocally, categorically deny that Bioware would just throw that whole beautiful storyline into the trash by forcing us to accept Starbinger's nonsense about organics and synthetics being inescapably mortal enemies.   I refuse to accept that premise.  When the EC comes out, if the ending is in any way based on this premise, I will consider it to be an abject failure, and I doubt I will ever finish the game again (though I'll stay play it because everything else is so ****ing fun!). 

Thankfully, I'm fairly confident that the EC will repudiate Starbinger's BS, so I'm very hopeful about what we're in store for.  :)

edit:  Also, if Bioware released DLC that made FemShep slightly less insanely skinny, I would totally shell out cash for it.  Looking at her arms and trying to imagine her putting the mele smack down on a Brute is completing immersion-breaking!  Somebody give that girl some protein!

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HellishFiend wrote...

The Chinchillas are pro-nanide now? Never would have guessed....


Of course. Nanites appear to be the cruch beind most forms of interaction between the Reapers and organics. How else would you magically afflict a being, who isn't around a device, with a device's energies? You need something in or on that person to act as a transmitter...

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Walking around inside a dead Reaper is kind of up there. Also, having a blown up Reaper almost fall on you (ME1) probably didn't do Shep any good either. Then there's spending 6-7 minute killing a proto-Reaper... Arrival may be canon, but it's hardly necessary for Shep to be affected by long term mental indoctrination.

Couple the main exposures with the husk making device in ME2 (optional) and all the side quests and mission in ME3 that are indirect and direct exposures... I'm not sure how Shepard is holding on. That is something I would not mind at least partially revealed. What helped Shepard stay who they were for as long as they did, and perhaps permanently depending on what 'destroy' actually does. I'm pretty convinced that no matter what, the affects of the process are still going to be there. One wrong move, one pang of doubt...


I imagine a great deal of that will be covered in the EC, assuming we're right. I suspect there will be an "aha!" moment, followed by, say, flashbacks of when the event occured and how it progressed... a sort of explanation without spelling it out vocally.

And as to Shepard's fate, I supposed it would depend on exactly what force controls the indoctrination process. Clearly, those who were indoctrinated by Sovereign were still suffering years later, but perhaps if all the Reapers were taken out... or perhaps there is a central device?

There is the real possibility, too, that there could be a KOTOR ending, with Shepard going out to find where the Reapers came from in order to save himself and future peoples. If the Reapers weren't from the Milky Way originally/ expanded to other galaxies, then... infinite expansion potential.


To the bolded...I was always under the impression that the only reason that those that had been indoctrinated by Sovereign (i.e. Shiala), were still "indoctrinated" was because of the other Reapers...I would hate to think that we don't have a "take away the Reapers, take away indoctrination" situation.  In fact, that is the only answer that ever makes sense to me when people ask, "Well if Shep got indoctrinated what happens after the Reaper War?".

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Could the EC include an IT version? One where if you played Arrival that's what happened.

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So I was catching up on today's conversations, and the whole debate over the Catalyst as the "master" of the cycle. Without getting into that, I had a thought about the Catalyst's logic. I imagine that the reapers probably used similar "logic" when convincing the geth to work with them, only backwards. "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life" (lol a line from the thief AI in ME1) honestly sounds a lot more convincing that what the Catalyst tells Shepard given current galactic history, and seems like a plausible way to convince the geth to work with the reapers and fight organics. Anyway, just a thought.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

The Reapers are real!  And synthesis really can happen...



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So name-brand iced tea is the secret behind space magic? :o Never would have guessed..... 


It's true...just look at the leaves. Posted Image


For any that missed this video...it is a must watch, try not to watch just before going to bed or it might give you nightmares about the Reapers taking over in real life...Posted Image

And on that note...I am off to bed.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

The Reapers are real!  And synthesis really can happen...



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So name-brand iced tea is the secret behind space magic? :o Never would have guessed..... 


It's true...just look at the leaves. Posted Image


For any that missed this video...it is a must watch, try not to watch just before going to bed or it might give you nightmares about the Reapers taking over in real life...Posted Image

And on that note...I am off to bed.


Wow synthesis really is magical and wonderous.

On a serious note, that's really bad. lol

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The Chinchillas are pro-nanide now? Never would have guessed....


Of course. Nanites appear to be the cruch beind most forms of interaction between the Reapers and organics. How else would you magically afflict a being, who isn't around a device, with a device's energies? You need something in or on that person to act as a transmitter...


Yeah but I think the nanides are unable to cause indoctrination without physically altering the body. So at that point, there is no possibility of covert/subtle indoctrination, where the host doesnt realize what's happening to them. 

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alberto4395 wrote...

Could the EC include an IT version? One where if you played Arrival that's what happened.


We believe EC = IT, essentially. 

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Starbuck8 wrote...

So I was catching up on today's conversations, and the whole debate over the Catalyst as the "master" of the cycle. Without getting into that, I had a thought about the Catalyst's logic. I imagine that the reapers probably used similar "logic" when convincing the geth to work with them, only backwards. "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life" (lol a line from the thief AI in ME1) honestly sounds a lot more convincing that what the Catalyst tells Shepard given current galactic history, and seems like a plausible way to convince the geth to work with the reapers and fight organics. Anyway, just a thought.


Seems likely, for sure. Would be an easy sell. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So I was catching up on today's conversations, and the whole debate over the Catalyst as the "master" of the cycle. Without getting into that, I had a thought about the Catalyst's logic. I imagine that the reapers probably used similar "logic" when convincing the geth to work with them, only backwards. "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life" (lol a line from the thief AI in ME1) honestly sounds a lot more convincing that what the Catalyst tells Shepard given current galactic history, and seems like a plausible way to convince the geth to work with the reapers and fight organics. Anyway, just a thought.


Seems likely, for sure. Would be an easy sell. 


Ok inadvertently thinking more about it, wouldn't the reapers make more sense if the catalyst told this to Shepard? "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life." So they prune advanced organic races and preserve them in reaper form in order to save synthetics/reapers from organics.

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Ok inadvertently thinking more about it, wouldn't the reapers make more sense if the catalyst told this to Shepard? "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life." So they prune advanced organic races and preserve them in reaper form in order to save synthetics/reapers from organics.


Sure, that would make more sense, but how would that do a better job of convincing Shepard to pick Control or Synthesis?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So I was catching up on today's conversations, and the whole debate over the Catalyst as the "master" of the cycle. Without getting into that, I had a thought about the Catalyst's logic. I imagine that the reapers probably used similar "logic" when convincing the geth to work with them, only backwards. "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life" (lol a line from the thief AI in ME1) honestly sounds a lot more convincing that what the Catalyst tells Shepard given current galactic history, and seems like a plausible way to convince the geth to work with the reapers and fight organics. Anyway, just a thought.


Seems likely, for sure. Would be an easy sell. 


Ok inadvertently thinking more about it, wouldn't the reapers make more sense if the catalyst told this to Shepard? "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life." So they prune advanced organic races and preserve them in reaper form in order to save synthetics/reapers from organics.


Then where are the synthetic races??? :?

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So...does anyone else find it a tad odd that the Crucible energy just happens to "open up" right before it passes through the Normandy? almost like it is eating it?

seems more and more like a hallucination the more you look at it....

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Probably has been brought up over the last 2 threads, but does this look like Major Coates to anyone? It's kind of hard to see. I had a look at his hair style. It's the exact same. He was the guy on the radio talking, remember?

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HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok inadvertently thinking more about it, wouldn't the reapers make more sense if the catalyst told this to Shepard? "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life." So they prune advanced organic races and preserve them in reaper form in order to save synthetics/reapers from organics.


Sure, that would make more sense, but how would that do a better job of convincing Shepard to pick Control or Synthesis?


... uh yeah only synthesis would really make sense as a choice here as a possible alternative to end the cycle. unless the catalyst was admitting defeat and letting Shepard use the crucible to do whatever he/she wants. Anyway lol not making a theory out of this, just thinking ^_^

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magnetite wrote...

Probably has been brought up over the last 2 threads, but does this look like Major Coates to anyone? It's kind of hard to see. I had a look at his hair style. It's the exact same. He was the guy on the radio talking, remember?

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You know I saw that guy too and thought it looked like Coats, but kinda just dismissed it... Interesting someone else thought the same thing.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So I was catching up on today's conversations, and the whole debate over the Catalyst as the "master" of the cycle. Without getting into that, I had a thought about the Catalyst's logic. I imagine that the reapers probably used similar "logic" when convincing the geth to work with them, only backwards. "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life" (lol a line from the thief AI in ME1) honestly sounds a lot more convincing that what the Catalyst tells Shepard given current galactic history, and seems like a plausible way to convince the geth to work with the reapers and fight organics. Anyway, just a thought.


Seems likely, for sure. Would be an easy sell. 


Ok inadvertently thinking more about it, wouldn't the reapers make more sense if the catalyst told this to Shepard? "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life." So they prune advanced organic races and preserve them in reaper form in order to save synthetics/reapers from organics.


Then where are the synthetic races??? :?


Lol ok youre right. Not trying to make a complete theory out of it, just thought it sounded like it would be more believable if the catalyst had said something like this than something that contradicted everything that had happened in the game/series and the whole circular logic thing he does.

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Sorry I was gone folks. I was banned for some reason. Anyway, it's good to be back!

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 Aaaand it's done!

The Sounds of Possession

Let me know what you guys think! I'm especially interested in feedback from those who are NOT already knowledgable on infrasound. Do my explanations make sense? Or is there anything you arent clear on? If so, please let me know so I can alter it and reupload. 

Thank you!

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HellishFiend wrote...

 Aaaand it's done!

The Sounds of Possession

Let me know what you guys think! I'm especially interested in feedback from those who are NOT already knowledgable on infrasound. Do my explanations make sense? Or is there anything you arent clear on? If so, please let me know so I can alter it and reupload. 

Thank you!


Woohoo, will watch now!

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alberto4395 wrote...

Question: If Shepard didn't take part in Arrival is IT still valid?


What I like to think of as the "official" IT video (more and better things in 20 minutes than the documentary had in 1+ hours, in my humble opinion) describes the likely contact point as being either Object Rho or (the one many people miss) the human reaper.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So I was catching up on today's conversations, and the whole debate over the Catalyst as the "master" of the cycle. Without getting into that, I had a thought about the Catalyst's logic. I imagine that the reapers probably used similar "logic" when convincing the geth to work with them, only backwards. "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life" (lol a line from the thief AI in ME1) honestly sounds a lot more convincing that what the Catalyst tells Shepard given current galactic history, and seems like a plausible way to convince the geth to work with the reapers and fight organics. Anyway, just a thought.


Seems likely, for sure. Would be an easy sell. 


Ok inadvertently thinking more about it, wouldn't the reapers make more sense if the catalyst told this to Shepard? "All organics must destroy or control synthetic life." So they prune advanced organic races and preserve them in reaper form in order to save synthetics/reapers from organics.


Though it makes sense, would you try to convince an organic of something by framing them as the bad guys?

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I just finished watching The Sounds of Possession HellisFiend, now I'll do what I promised to do on youtube.

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