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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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HellishFiend wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

After talking with Coates (you can't skip his dialog, very interesting)

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To quote the VS: What the hell??



Nothing wrong with it, is there?

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Can somebody link or create a quick video with coats conversation

Edit: heres a lets play

Looks like the blue effect may be shepards shields recharging after the cut scene

Modifié par Dendio1, 18 juin 2012 - 05:15 .


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Humakt83 wrote...

After talking with Coates (you can't skip his dialog, very interesting)

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I've had that same thing happening when choosing my armor before.

Are you a vanguard? Cause when it happened to me it was just the Nova graphic randomly appearing.

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byne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

After talking with Coates (you can't skip his dialog, very interesting)

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I've had that same thing happening when choosing my armor before.

Are you a vanguard? Cause when it happened to me it was just the Nova graphic randomly appearing.


I'm infiltrator.

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byne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

After talking with Coates (you can't skip his dialog, very interesting)

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I've had that same thing happening when choosing my armor before.

Are you a vanguard? Cause when it happened to me it was just the Nova graphic randomly appearing.


That makes sense, because I cant imagine having missed something like that. 

edit: :ph34r: Nevermind.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 05:13 .


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estebanus wrote...

Hmm... I think nuking threads is much more fun than spamming spiderman picks!


what'd you nuke now?

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I blame the literalist!

#21583
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Rosewind wrote...

I blame the literalist!

wut

#21584
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BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hmm... I think nuking threads is much more fun than spamming spiderman picks!


what'd you nuke now?



A bunch of facebook pages. Problem?

I lost a bet while playing a pen and paper game with a few guys. I received false information and proved the deterrence teory wrong by launching a long series of nuclear missile strikes against soviet territory. The world was nuked into oblivion.

The loser of the bet had to nuke 50 different facebook pages. The person who started the war loses, naturally, since there is no winner in nuclear war.

The whole game was essentially about who loses his nerves first, and the world was at the brink of nuclear war about five times before that!

Modifié par estebanus, 18 juin 2012 - 05:18 .


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Rosewind wrote...

I blame the literalist!


For anything specific, or just in general?

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Anyone thought about the two extra tracks in the CE (Betrayal and Creation)...where they might fit in story wise etc.?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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The sound stuff is interesting. But i think now we need to find some sources and some explanations as to why Shepard is the only one effected by this.

If The sound can cause ghost sightings, why doesn't everyone on earth and on the Normandy see something similar? We know Vega hears the hum but that's the extent. We also know that Vega at first is dealing with his own issues of letting people die to save intel that ended up being worthless. This could have been exploited by the reapers much like Shepard, yet we don't see Vega wanting to be friends with the reapers.

If the sound is being produced by the ship, wouldn't EDI pick up on this foreign sound pattern? Wouldn't the hum be heard by others all around the ship?

If the source is Shepard, then how is he broadcasting these sounds without having any reaper tech in his body? We know he doesn't because of Vendetta.

The only one I can agree with is Coates. Since he's the only character that admits to being isolated for three days and is making these sounds. But then why is Coates encouraging Shepard instead of agreeing with him about how worthless he is?

Again, an interesting find but it's not very useful until we get some solid sources.


Noone in Sheaprds crew has had the same proximity to Reapers and reapers artifacts as Shepard. As the only one has he been on every mission, as the only one did he spend two days near Object Rho and he is the one the Reapers are focusing on so it stands to reason Shepard is the only one seeing it because he is the most affected.

But maybe he is not the only one seeing things? Shepard dosent speak much of the kid he saw or his nightmares to the others in the crew, maybe they are experiencing similar things, but not speaking about it?




We may different in opinions about what prolonged exposure to reaper tech means so I'm not going to get into that.

I'm pretty sure if they were seeing things, the crew would tell someone, like Chakwas if she's stationed there. They would probably start behaving oddly enough so that Traynor would advise you to check up on them. Shepard also tells Garrus about the child, but he doesn't refer to him a a ghost so how would Garrus know that Shepard is seeing things too?

EDIT: Also Indoctrination is talked about a lot on the Normandy. I'm sure the crew is well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination at this point.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 18 juin 2012 - 05:19 .


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byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I blame the literalist!


For anything specific, or just in general?



Maybe for me having to nuke facebook pages?

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byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I blame the literalist!


For anything specific, or just in general?


For anything honestly, like your wow guild blames you for whiping. I blame the literalists!!!

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estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hmm... I think nuking threads is much more fun than spamming spiderman picks!


what'd you nuke now?



A bunch of facebook pages. Problem?

I lost a bet while playing a pen and paper game with a few guys. I received false information and proved the deterrence teory wrong by launching a long series of nuclear missile strikes against soviet territory. The world was nuked into oblivion.

The loser of the bet had to nuke 50 different facebook pages. The person who started the war loses, naturally, since there is no winner in nuclear war.

The whole game was essentially about who loses his nerves first, and the world was at the brink of nuclear war about five times before that!


But dont you know? You cant hug your children with nuclear arms!

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone thought about the two extra tracks in the CE (Betrayal and Creation)...where they might fit in story wise etc.?


I think creation played when creating a character i think we figured out.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone thought about the two extra tracks in the CE (Betrayal and Creation)...where they might fit in story wise etc.?



Betrayal plays when you kill Mordin/wiks, and creation is the CC theme.

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Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I blame the literalist!


For anything specific, or just in general?


For anything honestly, like your wow guild blames you for whiping. I blame the literalists!!!


Ah, gotcha.

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byne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

After talking with Coates (you can't skip his dialog, very interesting)

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I've had that same thing happening when choosing my armor before.

Are you a vanguard? Cause when it happened to me it was just the Nova graphic randomly appearing.


Dang it Byne! I was just going to post something similar.

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hmm... I think nuking threads is much more fun than spamming spiderman picks!


what'd you nuke now?



A bunch of facebook pages. Problem?

I lost a bet while playing a pen and paper game with a few guys. I received false information and proved the deterrence teory wrong by launching a long series of nuclear missile strikes against soviet territory. The world was nuked into oblivion.

The loser of the bet had to nuke 50 different facebook pages. The person who started the war loses, naturally, since there is no winner in nuclear war.

The whole game was essentially about who loses his nerves first, and the world was at the brink of nuclear war about five times before that!


But dont you know? You cant hug your children with nuclear arms!


Epic Family Guy reference.

#21596
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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hmm... I think nuking threads is much more fun than spamming spiderman picks!


what'd you nuke now?



A bunch of facebook pages. Problem?

I lost a bet while playing a pen and paper game with a few guys. I received false information and proved the deterrence teory wrong by launching a long series of nuclear missile strikes against soviet territory. The world was nuked into oblivion.

The loser of the bet had to nuke 50 different facebook pages. The person who started the war loses, naturally, since there is no winner in nuclear war.

The whole game was essentially about who loses his nerves first, and the world was at the brink of nuclear war about five times before that!


But dont you know? You cant hug your children with nuclear arms!



Ahhhh... I love family guy...

oh yeah, and:

NUKES FOR PEACE! PEACEMAKER WILL HOLD THE PEACE!

(Peacemaker was the name of the USA's strongest nuke. Its name was granted to it by Ronald Reagan)

#21597
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Yes, I have an unusually strong interest in nukes. Problem?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The sound stuff is interesting. But i think now we need to find some sources and some explanations as to why Shepard is the only one effected by this.

If The sound can cause ghost sightings, why doesn't everyone on earth and on the Normandy see something similar? We know Vega hears the hum but that's the extent. We also know that Vega at first is dealing with his own issues of letting people die to save intel that ended up being worthless. This could have been exploited by the reapers much like Shepard, yet we don't see Vega wanting to be friends with the reapers.

If the sound is being produced by the ship, wouldn't EDI pick up on this foreign sound pattern? Wouldn't the hum be heard by others all around the ship?

If the source is Shepard, then how is he broadcasting these sounds without having any reaper tech in his body? We know he doesn't because of Vendetta.

The only one I can agree with is Coates. Since he's the only character that admits to being isolated for three days and is making these sounds. But then why is Coates encouraging Shepard instead of agreeing with him about how worthless he is?

Again, an interesting find but it's not very useful until we get some solid sources.


EpyonX3 this is pretty solid. This is intentional extra work on Bioware's part. I know you are a doubter but even you have to admit this is pretty damning.


I do! I just want some sources of the sounds for the reasons stated above.


It's been mentioned that people who are in the process of indoctrination or are completely indoctrinated can act as broadcasting units for indoctrination. How this works, I don't know, but I'm guessing it's those nanides paxxton loves so much.

Also, Coates would encourage Shepard because the beam seems to be, with some of the evidence we've gathered, an indoctrination device. If he's working for the Reapers, he wants Shepard to come around to their point of view.


Right there would have to be foreign reaper objects in Shepard's body. This would tip off Vendetta or EDI since EDI is also Monitoring Shepards Vitals through his suit.

True about Coates, but wouldn't it make sense for him to send more people including Shepard into the arms of the reapers instead of telling them to retreat?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

We may different in opinions about what prolonged exposure to reaper tech means so I'm not going to get into that.

I'm pretty sure if they were seeing things, the crew would tell someone, like Chakwas if she's stationed there. They would probably start behaving oddly enough so that Traynor would advise you to check up on them. Shepard also tells Garrus about the child, but he doesn't refer to him a a ghost so how would Garrus know that Shepard is seeing things too?

EDIT: Also Indoctrination is talked about a lot on the Normandy. I'm sure the crew is well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination at this point.



Epyon, not to be rude, but that is pretty ironic of you to cite that as a counter-point. Considering we as the players are also well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination, yet there are still so many, including yourself, that doubt the validity of IT. 

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estebanus wrote...

Yes, I have an unusually strong interest in nukes. Problem?


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meh