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[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The sound stuff is interesting. But i think now we need to find some sources and some explanations as to why Shepard is the only one effected by this.

If The sound can cause ghost sightings, why doesn't everyone on earth and on the Normandy see something similar? We know Vega hears the hum but that's the extent. We also know that Vega at first is dealing with his own issues of letting people die to save intel that ended up being worthless. This could have been exploited by the reapers much like Shepard, yet we don't see Vega wanting to be friends with the reapers.

If the sound is being produced by the ship, wouldn't EDI pick up on this foreign sound pattern? Wouldn't the hum be heard by others all around the ship?

If the source is Shepard, then how is he broadcasting these sounds without having any reaper tech in his body? We know he doesn't because of Vendetta.

The only one I can agree with is Coates. Since he's the only character that admits to being isolated for three days and is making these sounds. But then why is Coates encouraging Shepard instead of agreeing with him about how worthless he is?

Again, an interesting find but it's not very useful until we get some solid sources.

EpyonX3 this is pretty solid. This is intentional extra work on Bioware's part. I know you are a doubter but even you have to admit this is pretty damning.

I do! I just want some sources of the sounds for the reasons stated above.

It's been mentioned that people who are in the process of indoctrination or are completely indoctrinated can act as broadcasting units for indoctrination. How this works, I don't know, but I'm guessing it's those nanides paxxton loves so much.

Also, Coates would encourage Shepard because the beam seems to be, with some of the evidence we've gathered, an indoctrination device. If he's working for the Reapers, he wants Shepard to come around to their point of view.

Right there would have to be foreign reaper objects in Shepard's body. This would tip off Vendetta or EDI since EDI is also Monitoring Shepards Vitals through his suit.

True about Coates, but wouldn't it make sense for him to send more people including Shepard into the arms of the reapers instead of telling them to retreat?

when he says retreat, that's the dream.

at face value, Harbinger already has Shepard under his thumb-er appendage, why would Coates not pull back so Harbinger can mindrape the galaxy's savior?

[estebanus]

You know, I've also noticed that the catalyst itself is not really a catalyst.

A catalyst is someone who takes part in an event without itself being changed by it.

What does the catalyst say?

"The crucible changed me. Created new... possibilities."

DOES NOT COMPUTE. FAILURE. FAILURE. ENGAGING LOCKDOWN MODE. CATALYST IDENTIFIED AS A LIE.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The sound stuff is interesting. But i think now we need to find some sources and some explanations as to why Shepard is the only one effected by this.

If The sound can cause ghost sightings, why doesn't everyone on earth and on the Normandy see something similar? We know Vega hears the hum but that's the extent. We also know that Vega at first is dealing with his own issues of letting people die to save intel that ended up being worthless. This could have been exploited by the reapers much like Shepard, yet we don't see Vega wanting to be friends with the reapers.

If the sound is being produced by the ship, wouldn't EDI pick up on this foreign sound pattern? Wouldn't the hum be heard by others all around the ship?

If the source is Shepard, then how is he broadcasting these sounds without having any reaper tech in his body? We know he doesn't because of Vendetta.

The only one I can agree with is Coates. Since he's the only character that admits to being isolated for three days and is making these sounds. But then why is Coates encouraging Shepard instead of agreeing with him about how worthless he is?

Again, an interesting find but it's not very useful until we get some solid sources.

Noone in Sheaprds crew has had the same proximity to Reapers and reapers artifacts as Shepard. As the only one has he been on every mission, as the only one did he spend two days near Object Rho and he is the one the Reapers are focusing on so it stands to reason Shepard is the only one seeing it because he is the most affected.

But maybe he is not the only one seeing things? Shepard dosent speak much of the kid he saw or his nightmares to the others in the crew, maybe they are experiencing similar things, but not speaking about it?

We may different in opinions about what prolonged exposure to reaper tech means so I'm not going to get into that.

I'm pretty sure if they were seeing things, the crew would tell someone, like Chakwas if she's stationed there. They would probably start behaving oddly enough so that Traynor would advise you to check up on them. Shepard also tells Garrus about the child, but he doesn't refer to him a a ghost so how would Garrus know that Shepard is seeing things too?

EDIT: Also Indoctrination is talked about a lot on the Normandy. I'm sure the crew is well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination at this point.

"How do you fight something which worms its way into your head?": Ashley.

Even if they know of Indoctrination clearly there is no definitive way of identifying if a person is beeing Indoctrinated, which is part of it. It is subtle, it is hard to detect, that is what makes it so dangerous.

And your comment about Shepard mentioning the kid to Shepard only solidifies that. To Shepard it is nothing but bad dreams about a kid he couldnt save, he never himself thinks it is not real, so if anyone else from the crew saw things why would they think different?

A person becoming Indoctrinated dosent start acting strange and the symptoms are bad dreams, headaches, feelings of beeing watched, hearing noises and in extreme cases seeing things...well all of those a pretty much centered around the person himself and completely unnoticable to others unless the person starts talking about it.

Until the Indoctrinated indvidual actually makes his move in accordance to the Reapers plans he indistinguishable from the person he was before.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Yes, I have an unusually strong interest in nukes. Problem?

meh

What? did I do something I'm not supposed to do?

[HellishFiend]

Ok, for anyone curious, or doubting the validity of the intentional nature of the infrasound, I direct you to this post:

http://social.biowar...32/838#12618332 

Specifically, the file he put up for download:

http://www.sendspace...om/file/unhhv1 

TSA not only discovered the infrasound, but went a step further and furnished undeniable proof that the sounds are intentional by isolating and pitch shifting them upwards. When pitch shifted, the sounds become playable by speakers and audible by human ears. Think of it like using Autotune on a bad singer. Normally you wouldnt listen to them, but Autotune makes it to where you can hear it without becoming nauseated (usually). They are clearly engineered sounds, rather than unintentional noise bleeding down the spectrum. 

In my opinion, this is the most tangible, un-debunkable evidence that we've uncovered to date. It cant be dismissed.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[Rosewind]

estebanus wrote...

You know, I've also noticed that the catalyst itself is not really a catalyst.

A catalyst is someone who takes part in an event without itself being changed by it.

What does the catalyst say?

"The crucible changed me. Created new... possibilities."

DOES NOT COMPUTE. FAILURE. FAILURE. ENGAGING LOCKDOWN MODE. CATALYST IDENTIFIED AS A LIE.

This...sentence...is...false....

[estebanus]

Rosewind wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You know, I've also noticed that the catalyst itself is not really a catalyst.

A catalyst is someone who takes part in an event without itself being changed by it.

What does the catalyst say?

"The crucible changed me. Created new... possibilities."

DOES NOT COMPUTE. FAILURE. FAILURE. ENGAGING LOCKDOWN MODE. CATALYST IDENTIFIED AS A LIE.

This...sentence...is...false....

Nuke this so-called "catalyst!";)

[FFZero]

BatmanTurian wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Very well done Hellishfiend! Also thanks for adding me in the credits, feels good to have finally contributed something the indoc theory.

Also I've been finding even more instances of infra sound in the game, the ardat yakshi mission has quite a few, one of which is particularly interesting since there's no audible bass. Found a few from the Geth dreadnought mission, which isn't surprising, and found a few on the mission where you save the Cerberus scientists.

Do you guys think the Banshees emit infrasonic in their screams? Has that been analyzed? They consistantly create terror as soon as I hear them in SP and MP. Some of it might have to do with the Slenderman power they exibit, jumping at you so fast, having an instakill move. But I think it's more than that.

I thought the same thing about their screams but sadly no, there's no infra sound. However their crazy violin music cues do have infrasound, this is the sound I was referring to as having no audible bass. Here’s the analysis



And here is the analysis for the track for that mission that’s on the OST.

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, I just wanted to see what's going on. I'll be off again. There are a lot of peoples' pages on facebook that still need to be nuked!

You are obssessed with nuclear warfare!  jk

Nah, it's because I lost a bet about nuclear deterrence.

I was playing a pen and paper game with some friends, and in the end, I nuked the entire world into oblivion because I had received false information about a soviet missile strike.

The person who lost the game had to nuke 50 facebook profiles, and I lost.

But yeah, I'm also interested by the idea of nuclear warfare, deterrence, and "nukes for peace!" Did you know that Ronald Reigan called one of the USA's nukes "Peacemaker?"

I think I heard that.  Anyway, with the liberal usage of nukes, you'd make a great leader for the end of times.  jk

[HellishFiend]

FFZero wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Very well done Hellishfiend! Also thanks for adding me in the credits, feels good to have finally contributed something the indoc theory.

Also I've been finding even more instances of infra sound in the game, the ardat yakshi mission has quite a few, one of which is particularly interesting since there's no audible bass. Found a few from the Geth dreadnought mission, which isn't surprising, and found a few on the mission where you save the Cerberus scientists.

Do you guys think the Banshees emit infrasonic in their screams? Has that been analyzed? They consistantly create terror as soon as I hear them in SP and MP. Some of it might have to do with the Slenderman power they exibit, jumping at you so fast, having an instakill move. But I think it's more than that.

I thought the same thing about their screams but sadly no, there's no infra sound. However their crazy violin music cues do have infrasound, this is the sound I was referring to as having no audible bass. Here’s the analysis



And here is the analysis for the track for that mission that’s on the OST.

Wow, infrasound in the music? That's actually a surprise to me. 

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Yes, I have an unusually strong interest in nukes. Problem?

*snip*

meh

What? did I do something I'm not supposed to do?

it means I'm saying I don't care one way or the other in the least offensive way possible. I have no problem with what you did. It doesn't bother me.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

We may different in opinions about what prolonged exposure to reaper tech means so I'm not going to get into that.

I'm pretty sure if they were seeing things, the crew would tell someone, like Chakwas if she's stationed there. They would probably start behaving oddly enough so that Traynor would advise you to check up on them. Shepard also tells Garrus about the child, but he doesn't refer to him a a ghost so how would Garrus know that Shepard is seeing things too?

EDIT: Also Indoctrination is talked about a lot on the Normandy. I'm sure the crew is well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination at this point.

Epyon, not to be rude, but that is pretty ironic of you to cite that as a counter-point. Considering we as the players are also well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination, yet there are still so many, including yourself, that doubt the validity of IT. 

Ok I'm missing something here. Is the crew talking about Indoctrination evidence for IT?

[lex0r11]

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

We may different in opinions about what prolonged exposure to reaper tech means so I'm not going to get into that.

I'm pretty sure if they were seeing things, the crew would tell someone, like Chakwas if she's stationed there. They would probably start behaving oddly enough so that Traynor would advise you to check up on them. Shepard also tells Garrus about the child, but he doesn't refer to him a a ghost so how would Garrus know that Shepard is seeing things too?

EDIT: Also Indoctrination is talked about a lot on the Normandy. I'm sure the crew is well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination at this point.

Epyon, not to be rude, but that is pretty ironic of you to cite that as a counter-point. Considering we as the players are also well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination, yet there are still so many, including yourself, that doubt the validity of IT. 

Ok I'm missing something here. Is the crew talking about Indoctrination evidence for IT?

No, youre basically trying to use "well, the crew knows about indoctrination symptoms, so they would know if they were indoctrinated!" as a counterpoint.

Not only is that completely illogical since the whole point of subtle indoctrination is that you dont know its happening, but we, as the players, also know about the symptoms and effects of indoctrination, and we see them everywhere throughout ME3. 

In my opinion, your doubt of IT, considering how much you know about indoctrination, simply parallels the same denial that the indoctrinated characters display in the games. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 05:43 .

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

Ok, for anyone curious, or doubting the validity of the intentional nature of the infrasound, I direct you to this post:

http://social.biowar...32/838#12618332 

Specifically, the file he put up for download:

http://www.sendspace...om/file/unhhv1 

TSA not only discovered the infrasound, but went a step further and furnished undeniable proof that the sounds are intentional by isolating and pitch shifting them upwards. When pitch shifted, the sounds become playable by speakers and audible by human ears. Think of it like using Autotune on a bad singer. Normally you wouldnt listen to them, but Autotune makes it to where you can hear it without becoming nauseated (usually). They are clearly engineered sounds, rather than unintentional noise bleeding down the spectrum. 

In my opinion, this is the most tangible, un-debunkable evidence that we've uncovered to date. It cant be dismissed.

It can't be, but you know people will try. Or just outright dismiss it out of spite.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Yes, I have an unusually strong interest in nukes. Problem?

*snip*

meh

What? did I do something I'm not supposed to do?

it means I'm saying I don't care one way or the other in the least offensive way possible. I have no problem with what you did. It doesn't bother me.

Ah. Ok then.

Actually, it's kinda funny to see peoples' reaction to me posting nukes on their pages.

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

We may different in opinions about what prolonged exposure to reaper tech means so I'm not going to get into that.

I'm pretty sure if they were seeing things, the crew would tell someone, like Chakwas if she's stationed there. They would probably start behaving oddly enough so that Traynor would advise you to check up on them. Shepard also tells Garrus about the child, but he doesn't refer to him a a ghost so how would Garrus know that Shepard is seeing things too?

EDIT: Also Indoctrination is talked about a lot on the Normandy. I'm sure the crew is well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination at this point.

Epyon, not to be rude, but that is pretty ironic of you to cite that as a counter-point. Considering we as the players are also well educated on the effects and symptoms of indoctrination, yet there are still so many, including yourself, that doubt the validity of IT. 

Ok I'm missing something here. Is the crew talking about Indoctrination evidence for IT?

No, youre basically trying to use "well, the crew knows about indoctrination symptoms, so they would know if they were indoctrinated!" as a counterpoint.

Not only is that completely illogical since the whole point of subtle indoctrination is that you dont know its happening, but we, as the players, also know about the symptoms and effects of indoctrination, and we see them everywhere throughout ME3. 

In my opinion, your doubt of IT, considering how much you know about indoctrination, simply parallels the same denial that the indoctrinated characters display in the games. 

EpyonX3: " NO! I'm in control! "

okay, sure you are...

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 juin 2012 - 05:44 .

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It can't be, but you know people will try. Or just outright dismiss it out of spite.

At the risk of sounding overly harsh, I dont really care about those people. They arent going to change the contents of the EC with pure seething malice and spite. My video, and the evidence it presents, is aimed at people on the fence, or IT believers that dont know what infrasound is or how it applies. Those are the people I care about. 

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, I just wanted to see what's going on. I'll be off again. There are a lot of peoples' pages on facebook that still need to be nuked!

You are obssessed with nuclear warfare!  jk

Nah, it's because I lost a bet about nuclear deterrence.

I was playing a pen and paper game with some friends, and in the end, I nuked the entire world into oblivion because I had received false information about a soviet missile strike.

The person who lost the game had to nuke 50 facebook profiles, and I lost.

But yeah, I'm also interested by the idea of nuclear warfare, deterrence, and "nukes for peace!" Did you know that Ronald Reagan called one of the USA's nukes "Peacemaker?"

I think I heard that.  Anyway, with the liberal usage of nukes, you'd make a great leader for the end of times.  jk

Nuke all the countries!

[Lokanaiya]

Is there any infrasound during the first part on Earth? That could explain why only Shepard (even one that didn't do Arrival) is being indoctrinated. There probably isn't (after all, where would it come from?) but it's worth checking out.

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

when he says retreat, that's the dream.

at face value, Harbinger already has Shepard under his thumb-er appendage, why would Coates not pull back so Harbinger can mindrape the galaxy's savior?

I disagree. If the goal of the Reapers is to have the beam be an indoctrination device, then the more people around it the better. Shepard being there shouldn't make a difference. Unless you're saying that reapers can only inodctrinate one person at a time.

[D.Sharrah]

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone thought about the two extra tracks in the CE (Betrayal and Creation)...where they might fit in story wise etc.?

Betrayal plays when you kill Mordin/wiks, and creation is the CC theme.

That would explain why I didn't remember them from the game...never killed Mordin...usually use the default faces, so I don't spend a bunch of time with the CC.  I was hoping that they might alternative tracks...and perhaps hint at "something".

[Eryri]

HellishFiend wrote...

Ok, for anyone curious, or doubting the validity of the intentional nature of the infrasound, I direct you to this post:

http://social.biowar...32/838#12618332 

Specifically, the file he put up for download:

http://www.sendspace...om/file/unhhv1 

TSA not only discovered the infrasound, but went a step further and furnished undeniable proof that the sounds are intentional by isolating and pitch shifting them upwards. When pitch shifted, the sounds become playable by speakers and audible by human ears. Think of it like using Autotune on a bad singer. Normally you wouldnt listen to them, but Autotune makes it to where you can hear it without becoming nauseated (usually). They are clearly engineered sounds, rather than unintentional noise bleeding down the spectrum. 

In my opinion, this is the most tangible, un-debunkable evidence that we've uncovered to date. It cant be dismissed.

First of all brilliant video! I can't even imagine the technical skill and dedication needed to look into this kind of thing.

Apologies if you've already addressed this, but just to play devil's advocate for a minute, have you analysed any of the "benign" scenes in the game, without any indoctrination related weirdness or Reapers, to check that they don't have any infra-sound?

My inner science geek is interested in things like falsifiable hypothesese. If there are any instances of creepy infrasound being there for no thematic reason it could just be some weird glitch with the sound software. But if there are absolutely no instances of infrasound where it shouldn't be, then it makes your proof all the more solid.

Modifié par Eryri, 18 juin 2012 - 05:48 .

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It can't be, but you know people will try. Or just outright dismiss it out of spite.

At the risk of sounding overly harsh, I dont really care about those people. They arent going to change the contents of the EC with pure seething malice and spite. My video, and the evidence it presents, is aimed at people on the fence, or IT believers that dont know what infrasound is or how it applies. Those are the people I care about. 

I know. I'm just forecasting how the Literalists will react. Obviously those people are a lost cause and will eat crow in a month or two. But they won't do that to us publicly. Not the dishonest, hypocritical ones.

[FFZero]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Is there any infrasound during the first part on Earth? That could explain why only Shepard (even one that didn't do Arrival) is being indoctrinated. There probably isn't (after all, where would it come from?) but it's worth checking out.

I'm still going through the ardat yakshi files but once I'm finished I'll take a look at the ones to do with the intro on earth.