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[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

it's too subtle when Javik reads her. Obviously Protheans themselves can't tell if their own race was indoctrinated through their senses or they wouldn't have needed VIs. Also, certain crewmembers that you bring along with you to Chronos mention around the proto reaper's remains that they feel they are being watched etc. Some of them are partially indoctrinated as well. But Shepard is the Reaper's focus, not only because he's the protagonist and it's natural for the antagonist to focus on the protagonist, but also because of how important Shepard is.

It's not about detecting indoctrination itself, but studying the changes in behavior in the people around you. Look at the example of the derelect reaper scientists. Some started behaving odd before others and the other picked up on it. Unfortunately for them, they didn't understand what was happening until it was too late.

Behaving like that on the Normandy would get you thrown out of the airlock.

Yes I remember that. Did you know that early on when you attack the cerberus research lab to collect reaper tech, if you take Garrus, Garrus says, "Yup that's Reaper tech my brain hurts just looking at it." Does that mean that Garrus is now in the process of indoctrination and should be dreaming weird things and becoming paranoid?

Given Garrus's position as the "adviser fro all things against the Reaper threat" in ME 3...he would make as much sense as a target for indoctrination as Shep...

For that matter, look at the rest of the crew...there is a arguement that you can make why each and everyone would be a viable target...

Tali - Fleet Admiral
Liara - Shadow Broker
Garrus - as mentioned above
VS - as close to Shep (in terms of galactic importance) as possible
James - ?, not exactly sure, Can anyone help?
EDI - AI
Javik - last of his race?

Tali was exiled in my playthrough, but even as an Admiral, the actions of the Quarians didn't really depend much on her word.

Liara's no longer the Shadow broker, or at least a very capable one from the start of the game.

Garrus' power is limited as he explains his what his tasks force's resposibilities were. Victus would have been a proper target.

VS depends if that person is a love interest. Otherwise, VS is a standard crew member.

James' regret for letting those people die for the intel. That gets some closure if you do some sparring with him.

EDI an unshackled AI that controls the very ship Shepard rides on would have been a great target. But since she was developed using reaper code as the base, it wouldn't have been very easy.

Javik being the last is enough for wanting reaper blood. Being the last also makes him usless to reapers since they already have a prothean based reaper from the last cycle.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Finally finished looking through the ardat yakshi mission files and it would probably be easier to list which files DON’T have infra sound. It’s all over the place and I’ve got a headache to prove it...

Also found something else that’s interesting, in one of the background music files I’m pretty sure I can hear the music that plays at the end when we see star brat, just at a slightly lower volume.

I also found something interesting when I was recording footage that is very similar to that. I did one of my recordings with no music or sound effects so I could capture a clean version of the Reaperish "...choose.." whisper as the Starbinger says his very last line (props if you caught it in my video). After I captured it, I turned sound effects back on so I could capture some sounds of the gun firing, and I noticed something new. 

The same ascending "Shepard Tone" we hear after waking up from harby's beam is also present in the decision chamber. It is very, very quiet, but there. 

-SPOILER-

"...choose wisely..."

And why did that immediately make my mind flash to the grail scene in IJ3...

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Finally finished looking through the ardat yakshi mission files and it would probably be easier to list which files DON’T have infra sound. It’s all over the place and I’ve got a headache to prove it...

Also found something else that’s interesting, in one of the background music files I’m pretty sure I can hear the music that plays at the end when we see star brat, just at a slightly lower volume.

I also found something interesting when I was recording footage that is very similar to that. I did one of my recordings with no music or sound effects so I could capture a clean version of the Reaperish "...choose.." whisper as the Starbinger says his very last line (props if you caught it in my video). After I captured it, I turned sound effects back on so I could capture some sounds of the gun firing, and I noticed something new. 

The same ascending "Shepard Tone" we hear after waking up from harby's beam is also present in the decision chamber. It is very, very quiet, but there. 

-SPOILER-

"...choose wisely..."

And why did that immediately make my mind flash to the grail scene in IJ3...

Because similar thematics apply in both cases, especially related to the Control option. 

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 06:51 .

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Finally finished looking through the ardat yakshi mission files and it would probably be easier to list which files DON’T have infra sound. It’s all over the place and I’ve got a headache to prove it...

Also found something else that’s interesting, in one of the background music files I’m pretty sure I can hear the music that plays at the end when we see star brat, just at a slightly lower volume.

I also found something interesting when I was recording footage that is very similar to that. I did one of my recordings with no music or sound effects so I could capture a clean version of the Reaperish "...choose.." whisper as the Starbinger says his very last line (props if you caught it in my video). After I captured it, I turned sound effects back on so I could capture some sounds of the gun firing, and I noticed something new. 

The same ascending "Shepard Tone" we hear after waking up from harby's beam is also present in the decision chamber. It is very, very quiet, but there. 

-SPOILER-

"...choose wisely..."

And why did that immediately make my mind flash to the grail scene in IJ3...

It was " choose." and its last echo sounds just like Harbinger.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 juin 2012 - 06:50 .

[Lord Luc1fer]

Might be a little late to the party saying this but that video was AMAZING Hellish. Cool use of soundtrack actually made it engaging, and the evidence? WOW!

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sorry I've been responding to multiple people.

Ahh but they do! Vega hears a hum, Garrus says his head hurts when looking at reaper tech, conversations about indoctrination going on around the ship. Some one is bound to say something about it, especially Chakwas, since she's responsible for the health and well being of the entire crew.

Also about outward symptoms, I'll refer you to the crew on the Derelict Reaper. The crew didn't get mind freaked all at once, and the changes in behavior were noticed by other crew members.

Isn't a witch hunt exactly what the reapers want when they indoctrinate? Divide and conquer, in fighting between organic civilizations. That's in the lore as well.

We also don't know many of the people stationed on the Normandy. There are new faces who may have been in contact or is even indoctrinated. It would be easy for bioware to plant one of these random agents on the normandy.  And this wouldn't be known until the agent is caught aiding the enemy. It would even explain the hum on the normandy.

Look around you, Epyon. You're not convincing anyone but yourself. I could counter every point in that post using in game lore and events instead of mere speculation, but I dont think it would work on you at this point. I'm satisfied that this evidence is solid, and so is everyone else. 

Well then let's just leave it at that.

[D.Sharrah]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Snip...

I hope that you didn't think that I was supporting Epyon's argument...I was more trying to point out that everyone aboard the Normandy in ME 3 would fit as candidates to be turned into Reaper Agents (with the slow subtle process) - trying to make the point, that who on the Normandy would be "clean" that would be calling the others on these changes that Epyon says that they would "see".

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 18 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Finally finished looking through the ardat yakshi mission files and it would probably be easier to list which files DON’T have infra sound. It’s all over the place and I’ve got a headache to prove it...

Also found something else that’s interesting, in one of the background music files I’m pretty sure I can hear the music that plays at the end when we see star brat, just at a slightly lower volume.

I also found something interesting when I was recording footage that is very similar to that. I did one of my recordings with no music or sound effects so I could capture a clean version of the Reaperish "...choose.." whisper as the Starbinger says his very last line (props if you caught it in my video). After I captured it, I turned sound effects back on so I could capture some sounds of the gun firing, and I noticed something new. 

The same ascending "Shepard Tone" we hear after waking up from harby's beam is also present in the decision chamber. It is very, very quiet, but there. 

-SPOILER-

"...choose wisely..."

And why did that immediately make my mind flash to the grail scene in IJ3...

Because similar thematics apply in both cases, especially related to the Control option. 

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

That clip is classic...

[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Might be a little late to the party saying this but that video was AMAZING Hellish. Cool use of soundtrack actually made it engaging, and the evidence? WOW!

Thank you! I am quite pleased people are enjoying the manner in which I presented these finds. :happy:

[Lord Luc1fer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Might be a little late to the party saying this but that video was AMAZING Hellish. Cool use of soundtrack actually made it engaging, and the evidence? WOW!

Thank you! I am quite pleased people are enjoying the manner in which I presented these finds. :happy:

Billy Buskell was complaining about the difficulty of making trailers for the EC on twitter, maybe you should offer your services?

[Arashi08]

EpyonX3 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

it's too subtle when Javik reads her. Obviously Protheans themselves can't tell if their own race was indoctrinated through their senses or they wouldn't have needed VIs. Also, certain crewmembers that you bring along with you to Chronos mention around the proto reaper's remains that they feel they are being watched etc. Some of them are partially indoctrinated as well. But Shepard is the Reaper's focus, not only because he's the protagonist and it's natural for the antagonist to focus on the protagonist, but also because of how important Shepard is.

It's not about detecting indoctrination itself, but studying the changes in behavior in the people around you. Look at the example of the derelect reaper scientists. Some started behaving odd before others and the other picked up on it. Unfortunately for them, they didn't understand what was happening until it was too late.

Behaving like that on the Normandy would get you thrown out of the airlock.

Yes I remember that. Did you know that early on when you attack the cerberus research lab to collect reaper tech, if you take Garrus, Garrus says, "Yup that's Reaper tech my brain hurts just looking at it." Does that mean that Garrus is now in the process of indoctrination and should be dreaming weird things and becoming paranoid?

Given Garrus's position as the "adviser fro all things against the Reaper threat" in ME 3...he would make as much sense as a target for indoctrination as Shep...

For that matter, look at the rest of the crew...there is a arguement that you can make why each and everyone would be a viable target...

Tali - Fleet Admiral
Liara - Shadow Broker
Garrus - as mentioned above
VS - as close to Shep (in terms of galactic importance) as possible
James - ?, not exactly sure, Can anyone help?
EDI - AI
Javik - last of his race?

Tali was exiled in my playthrough, but even as an Admiral, the actions of the Quarians didn't really depend much on her word.

Liara's no longer the Shadow broker, or at least a very capable one from the start of the game.

Garrus' power is limited as he explains his what his tasks force's resposibilities were. Victus would have been a proper target.

VS depends if that person is a love interest. Otherwise, VS is a standard crew member.

James' regret for letting those people die for the intel. That gets some closure if you do some sparring with him.

EDI an unshackled AI that controls the very ship Shepard rides on would have been a great target. But since she was developed using reaper code as the base, it wouldn't have been very easy.

Javik being the last is enough for wanting reaper blood. Being the last also makes him usless to reapers since they already have a prothean based reaper from the last cycle.

1) Tali as an admiral adds a point to the point system that determines whether it is possible to broker peace between quarians and geth or not.  the wiki page elaborates on how it is a contributing factor.

2) Liara is STILL the Shadow Broker.  Did you not go into her office and read her messages? Or speak to Barla Von when prompted? She still has her information newtork, her network of agents, her connections.   The only thing she doesn't have is her ship, which she destroyed to stop TIM from getting it.  The essential equipment from her ship was put on the Normandy when she (and possibly Feron) loaded it onto their shuttle and escaped.

Those are the only points I wanted to bring up that were factually incorrect, the others are really based on speculation and personal interpretation.

Edited for grammar

Modifié par Arashi08, 18 juin 2012 - 07:05 .

[SubAstris]

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

[D.Sharrah]

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Finally finished looking through the ardat yakshi mission files and it would probably be easier to list which files DON’T have infra sound. It’s all over the place and I’ve got a headache to prove it...

Also found something else that’s interesting, in one of the background music files I’m pretty sure I can hear the music that plays at the end when we see star brat, just at a slightly lower volume.

I also found something interesting when I was recording footage that is very similar to that. I did one of my recordings with no music or sound effects so I could capture a clean version of the Reaperish "...choose.." whisper as the Starbinger says his very last line (props if you caught it in my video). After I captured it, I turned sound effects back on so I could capture some sounds of the gun firing, and I noticed something new. 

The same ascending "Shepard Tone" we hear after waking up from harby's beam is also present in the decision chamber. It is very, very quiet, but there. 

-SPOILER-

"...choose wisely..."

And why did that immediately make my mind flash to the grail scene in IJ3...

It was " choose." and its last echo sounds just like Harbinger.

Listen again...

Eyes closed, headphones on pressed into my skull...I clearly hear, "choose wisely".

Here is the vid

The Sounds of Possession

It's right at 5:00 to 5:01...there is alot of echo there, but there are two words...at least by my ears.

[Arashi08]

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

Darn it! I had this elaborate summoning ritual all planned out, but your here already...

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

hypocritical statement.

[Lord Luc1fer]

Arashi08 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

Darn it! I had this elaborate summoning ritual all planned out, but your here already...

Know any good banishing rituals?

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Finally finished looking through the ardat yakshi mission files and it would probably be easier to list which files DON’T have infra sound. It’s all over the place and I’ve got a headache to prove it...

Also found something else that’s interesting, in one of the background music files I’m pretty sure I can hear the music that plays at the end when we see star brat, just at a slightly lower volume.

I also found something interesting when I was recording footage that is very similar to that. I did one of my recordings with no music or sound effects so I could capture a clean version of the Reaperish "...choose.." whisper as the Starbinger says his very last line (props if you caught it in my video). After I captured it, I turned sound effects back on so I could capture some sounds of the gun firing, and I noticed something new. 

The same ascending "Shepard Tone" we hear after waking up from harby's beam is also present in the decision chamber. It is very, very quiet, but there. 

-SPOILER-

"...choose wisely..."

And why did that immediately make my mind flash to the grail scene in IJ3...

It was " choose." and its last echo sounds just like Harbinger.

Listen again...

Eyes closed, headphones on pressed into my skull...I clearly hear, "choose wisely".

Here is the vid

The Sounds of Possession

It's right at 5:00 to 5:01...there is alot of echo there, but there are two words...at least by my ears.

I have headphones. It is choose and the word is echoed 2-3 times. There is no other word.

[HellishFiend]

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

Normally your posts dont amuse me enough to bother responding, but I'd love to see your attempt at debunking or dismissing this evidence without looking like more of a tool than you already do. 

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

Normally your posts dont amuse me enough to bother responding, but I'd love to see your attempt at debunking or dismissing this evidence without looking like more of a tool than you already do. 

If he looked any more like a tool, the universe might divide by zero.

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Listen again...

Eyes closed, headphones on pressed into my skull...I clearly hear, "choose wisely".

Here is the vid

The Sounds of Possession

It's right at 5:00 to 5:01...there is alot of echo there, but there are two words...at least by my ears.

I have headphones. It is choose and the word is echoed 2-3 times. There is no other word.

BT is correct, as the filmer/editor of the video I can confirm it is just the word "choose" with echo. 

[Lord Luc1fer]

HellishFiend wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

Normally your posts dont amuse me enough to bother responding, but I'd love to see your attempt at debunking or dismissing this evidence without looking like more of a tool than you already do. 

It involves doing exactly the same with a wellington boot on his head

[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Might be a little late to the party saying this but that video was AMAZING Hellish. Cool use of soundtrack actually made it engaging, and the evidence? WOW!

Thank you! I am quite pleased people are enjoying the manner in which I presented these finds. :happy:

Billy Buskell was complaining about the difficulty of making trailers for the EC on twitter, maybe you should offer your services?

lol, that would be cool. I know you're joking, but there are really a lot of video editors out there with just as much and even more of a talent than I possess for filling a video with drama and flair. If directing/editing a video and putting it on youtube was enough to get people noticed and hired by the industry, there would be no need for higher education in that particular field. 

[Lord Luc1fer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Might be a little late to the party saying this but that video was AMAZING Hellish. Cool use of soundtrack actually made it engaging, and the evidence? WOW!

Thank you! I am quite pleased people are enjoying the manner in which I presented these finds. :happy:

Billy Buskell was complaining about the difficulty of making trailers for the EC on twitter, maybe you should offer your services?

lol, that would be cool. I know you're joking, but there are really a lot of video editors out there with just as much and even more of a talent than I possess for filling a video with drama and flair. If directing/editing a video and putting it on youtube was enough to get people noticed and hired by the industry, there would be no need for higher education in that particular field. 

I was joking, but only meant it in a nice way, I really liked the vid and it's clearly a skill you learn yourself through trial and error rather than something that needs teaching

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Listen again...

Eyes closed, headphones on pressed into my skull...I clearly hear, "choose wisely".

Here is the vid

The Sounds of Possession

It's right at 5:00 to 5:01...there is alot of echo there, but there are two words...at least by my ears.

I have headphones. It is choose and the word is echoed 2-3 times. There is no other word.

BT is correct, as the filmer/editor of the video I can confirm it is just the word "choose" with echo. 

Oh and actually this is a good time to mention something else weird I noticed when doing my no music/sound effect recording of that scene. There is a very, very strange effect applied to the dialog. The effect seems to add echo that changes positionally from right to left and warps the pitch slightly. Not sure if it means anything really, but that is the effect that contributes to the echo sounding so strange to the point where it almost sounds like another word entirely. 

[Arashi08]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honestly the thematic resonance that supports IT is so strong, I'm completely convinced that any Literalist at this point is simply averse to the idea of looking beneath the surface of things being presented to them in all forms of literature. 

Haha and the hubris is present again

Darn it! I had this elaborate summoning ritual all planned out, but your here already...

Know any good banishing rituals?

good ones? nah.  if I did this thread would be a troll-free utopia