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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#21701
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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

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lol, that would be cool. I know you're joking, but there are really a lot of video editors out there with just as much and even more of a talent than I possess for filling a video with drama and flair. If directing/editing a video and putting it on youtube was enough to get people noticed and hired by the industry, there would be no need for higher education in that particular field. :P

I was joking, but only meant it in a nice way, I really liked the vid and it's clearly a skill you learn yourself through trial and error rather than something that needs teaching Posted Image


Thanks. :lol: To be honest there are a lot of people that feel the skill/talent of directing is something latent that cant be taught but can only be unlocked, similar to how athletes have different "peaks" to their physical structure. But that never stops me from encouraging people to learn video editing, because it is a useful skill regardless of whether there is such a thing as a "talent ceiling" for it. 

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Anyone notice (I'm sure they have) that the endings we've been given are Ctrl+Alt+Del?

Not directly IT related, but interesting when related to a "galactic reboot".  Just the choices that are presented in an unusual way.

Modifié par Lakeshow1986, 18 juin 2012 - 07:25 .


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IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.

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draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.


The dreams are a good start.

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draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.


Ehm, each of the dreams practically fit many different describtions given of Indoctrination effects throughout the series. Most noteabley the Rachni Queens "Oily shadows"

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Very well done Hellishfiend! Also thanks for adding me in the credits, feels good to have finally contributed something the indoc theory. :)

Also I've been finding even more instances of infra sound in the game, the ardat yakshi mission has quite a few, one of which is particularly interesting since there's no audible bass. Found a few from the Geth dreadnought mission, which isn't surprising, and found a few on the mission where you save the Cerberus scientists.


Do you guys think the Banshees emit infrasonic in their screams? Has that been analyzed? They consistantly create terror as soon as I hear them in SP and MP. Some of it might have to do with the Slenderman power they exibit, jumping at you so fast, having an instakill move. But I think it's more than that.


I thought the same thing about their screams but sadly no, there's no infra sound. However their crazy violin music cues do have infrasound, this is the sound I was referring to as having no audible bass. Here’s the analysis

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And here is the analysis for the track for that mission that’s on the OST.

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You said there was no infrasound in the screams...what about ultrasonic sound?  I made a post earlier, commmenting that the infrsound evidence made me wonder what else about reaper indoctrination can we tease out of the game files...there is no way that we can look at EMF's, but we could look at ultrasonic sound...I was just looking up sonic weaponry (http://en.wikipedia..../Sonic_weaponry )...there seems to be some overlap w/the infrasound effects...

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true but the dreams do not completely explain it to me, Could just be reapers messing with Shepard, not Indoctrinating her....

still have to Explain how mordin, Primarch's son, and legion sacrifices=indoctrination and not just Shepard stressing about losing friends/allies.

Modifié par draken-heart, 18 juin 2012 - 07:31 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

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Listen again...

Eyes closed, headphones on pressed into my skull...I clearly hear, "choose wisely".

Here is the vid

The Sounds of Possession

It's right at 5:00 to 5:01...there is alot of echo there, but there are two words...at least by my ears.


I have headphones. It is choose and the word is echoed 2-3 times. There is no other word.


BT is correct, as the filmer/editor of the video I can confirm it is just the word "choose" with echo. 


My ears be deceived then...It still sounds like "choose wisely"...but that's ok.  Its not the first time I am wrong and it won't be the last. Posted Image

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draken-heart wrote...

true but the dreams do not completely explain it to me, Could just be reapers messing with Shepard, not Indoctrinating her....


How is reapers messing with Shepard not the process of indoctrination? :?

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draken-heart wrote...

true but the dreams do not completely explain it to me, Could just be reapers messing with Shepard, not Indoctrinating her....


Not sure what your angle is on this, but by all means you can feel free to continue believing that, if you'd like. We're simply having fun speculating and finding evidence. What you choose to believe, and the decision that comes with it, is entirely up to you.

Choose wisely. 

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They're big bullies appearantly. :<

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maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm

Modifié par draken-heart, 18 juin 2012 - 07:34 .


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draken-heart wrote...
still have to Explain how mordin, Primarch's son, and legion sacrifices=indoctrination and not just Shepard stressing about losing friends/allies.


I don't even understand this sentence.... :mellow:

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draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.



Take a look at this video...

The Sounds of Possession

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maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm


um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?

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HellishFiend wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

true but the dreams do not completely explain it to me, Could just be reapers messing with Shepard, not Indoctrinating her....


Not sure what your angle is on this, but by all means you can feel free to continue believing that, if you'd like. We're simply having fun speculating and finding evidence. What you choose to believe, and the decision that comes with it, is entirely up to you.

Choose wisely. 


Or you may just rapidly decay...Posted Image

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BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm


um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?


Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 

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Or you may just rapidly decay...Posted Image


The Holy Grail's another Reaper trap? I guess Jesus really wanted the best damned theft-protection, and was willing to go to Cyborg-Cthulu and his buddies for it.

Modifié par Ctoagu, 18 juin 2012 - 07:42 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm


um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?


Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 


Pretty sure they were being sarcastic, hence the sarcasm disclaimer at the end there.  ;)

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draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.



Okay I'm going to assume you haven't checked out any of the links on the first post of this thread that show the evidence we have collected to support the indoc theory. Before you start biting our heads off like the literalists, can you please at least show us some courtesy and look at our research first.

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Ctoagu wrote...


D.Sharrah wrote...

Or you may just rapidly decay...Posted Image


The Holy Grail's another Reaper trap? I guess Jesus really wanted the best damned theft-protection, and was willing to go to Cyborg-Cthulu and his buddies for it.


Or the Reapers "borrowed" the "technology" for the Control console from the Holy Grail. ;)

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Hey! I was rewatching The Sounds of Possession Posted Image and got an idea. Did you notice that the angelic chorus is coupled with bass during the last choice in the Catalyst Chamber? That connection may prove that Shepard is being indoctrinated in both places.

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm


um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?


Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 


Pretty sure they were being sarcastic, hence the sarcasm disclaimer at the end there.  ;)


Hope so. I'd hate to see him disappear from BSN after the EC comes out. Because then I'll have to assume he is a pile of ash. 

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paxxton wrote...

Hey! I was rewatching The Sounds of Possession :D and got an idea. Did you notice that the angelic chorus is coupled with bass during the last choice in the Catalyst Chamber? That connection may prove that Shepard is being indoctrinated in both places.


We'll have to analyze the Catalyst scene to see what's there. Worth looking into, for sure. 

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Ctoagu wrote...


D.Sharrah wrote...

Or you may just rapidly decay...Posted Image


The Holy Grail's another Reaper trap? I guess Jesus really wanted the best damned theft-protection, and was willing to go to Cyborg-Cthulu and his buddies for it.



While the IJ3 reference does fit...it could also simply point to what happens in either "control" or synthesis as well.