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[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm impressed by all the work put into researching this theory, although I personally didn't need 2300 pages of convincing to logically conclude that IT is very likely correct. Hell, I figured out the ending had a deeper meaning before I even heard of IT.  To me IT just seems logical when one considers the overwhelming amount of clues present in the previous two games as well as the comics and books. To anyone still shooting down this theory I have one question: Did you pay any attention at all to the game's story?

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 17 mai 2012 - 10:56 .

[Rip504]

balance5050 wrote...

Nice.. cause it's not like indoctrination wasn't in the game since day one or anything. Indoctrination is official lore.

Are you putting words into my mouth and saying,that I believe that Indoctrination isn't a part of ME. Or am I misunderstanding your comment.?

I asked for specifics to be laid out,about how and when,Shepard was indoctrinated or around all of this Reaper tech,artifacts,and actual Reapers. Specifics that have never been stated. I am glad you know of Indoctrination BTW.

If someone does not know indoctrination is a part of ME lore,then you obviously have never paid much attention to the game's story.
If you are implying that I am this dense,I point you out as one of the reasons I consider IT to be a joke.

If I misunderstood what was said,o well.

Modifié par Rip504, 17 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[TSA_383]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I've just had a go at EQing the illusive man whispers.

There
is dialogue in there - I THINK some of it is from the conversation with
the slightly tragic young girl with the dead parents and that turian,
him saying "Your parent's will be home soon kiddo" or something along
those lines. Very hard to tell though.

There's also something that sounds hilariously like "check out her breasts" at 0:13.
Pretty sure that's not related to indoctrination, though.
Here's the crazy EQ that was needed to remove most of the noise:


There
are one or two other seemingly obvious lines, but I don't want to put
it in your head first in case I'm hearing something that's not there.

Here's the audio (damn right it's a 32-bit .wav file):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f29yqp

"...Alright, change that, should take a ??? ??? right now"
"...let's go, let's get inside(?). Now it's getting ???"

It repeats again at 0:20.

I think I know what you're talking about.

Try it with headphones, and try it LOUD [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Ok, just so I don't waste my time on random babling for the sake of ramdom babling: Is there actually speculation worthy material to be heard (according to what you heard)?

To be honest:

11-13s - something I don't quite get, the notch filter may have impacted it but I think it's just too full of reverb.

14-20s - "Let's go let's go... *new voice* your parent's are gonna be here soon *name I can't quite make out*"

then several seconds later the phrase from 11-13 gets repeated.

Probably not relevant, and actually having listened to it properly I don't think any of the audio is taken from the girl/turian guard convo, which makes me curious where it's from.
It's not random, though.

[Big Bad]

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

[paxxton]

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

Let's hope it will. Do you have any ideas?

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[estebanus]

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

Doesn't it stand in the codex why the coup was planned? I think it had something to do with Udina assuming direct control of the Citadel, making him the most powerful man in the galaxy, so that he could order all fleets to Earth when Cerberus finally succeded in their goal to find a way to control the reapers.

[TSA_383]

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

A few possibilities spring to mind:

-He had information on what the catalyst was and wanted the citadel for himself for that reason.
-He had information on where the catalyst was and was looking for it.
-He had information on what/where the catalyst was and got what he was looking for (given that he broke past the prothean VI's defences, maybe he modified it).

-Something else.

-It is what it is, he made some kind of deal with Udina and it's used as a device to get you the backing of the Asari and Salarians.

Modifié par TSA_383, 17 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

Doesn't it stand in the codex why the coup was planned? I think it had something to do with Udina assuming direct control of the Citadel, making him the most powerful man in the galaxy, so that he could order all fleets to Earth when Cerberus finally succeded in their goal to find a way to control the reapers.

That's all I thought it was, a simple power grab by an ignorant Udina. I'm learning that ME might have more layers than what is shown on the surface though.

[Dwailing]

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

Doesn't it stand in the codex why the coup was planned? I think it had something to do with Udina assuming direct control of the Citadel, making him the most powerful man in the galaxy, so that he could order all fleets to Earth when Cerberus finally succeded in their goal to find a way to control the reapers.

That's all I thought it was, a simple power grab by an ignorant Udina. I'm learning that ME might have more layers than what is shown on the surface though.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too, but I'm starting to wonder if it was some form of Xanatos or Batman Gambit by TIM.

[TheConstantOne]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Btw, what was the point in organizing the coup?

Repost.

Scaring the Council into giving their support for the war?  Eliminating the militarily incompetent Councilor Udina who would have wasted the Council fleets in a desparated attack on Earth?  Honestly, there could be many reasons.  You know this little thing called a Xanatos Gambit?  It fits here.  If Udina succeeds, Cerberus essentially controls the Council.  If he fails, the Council races mobilize their forces for the war, meaning that they will be fighting the Reapers and not Cerberus.

Edit: Either way, Cerberus wins.  In fact, this might be a Batman Gambit.  Maybe TIM EXPECTED the plan to fail and actually WANTED Udina dead.  So maybe, just maybe, he set the whole thing in motion expecting Shepard to save the day.

Edit: I should point out that if Udina succeeded, TIM probably would have had him killed anyway.  He's not the kind of guy you want leading forces in a war.

So does it really have any clear significance for the main story or is it just muddying the water?

TIM didn't want the Council to join the war on Earth because he didn't want the Reapers destroyed.

Besides, the coup is a failure and Cerberus is clearly seen as an enemy afterwards, almost as dangerous as the Reapers. An enemy that has to be eliminated.

Honestly, I don't know.  Unless some small part of TIM didn't want to control the Reapers because he was resisting indoctrination.  I honestly don't know, though.

Since the Cerberus coup was such a big deal in the game there had to be an equally important reason to pull it off. It definately wasn't to seize control of the Catalyst because the coup happened before the Thessia mission and the nature of the Catalyst was still unknown to TIM.

Interestingly, TIM called Udina expendable.  While not happy with his forces' failure to assassinate the Council, he didn't come off as overly angry either.  And consider this, If Udina was expendable, control of the Council couldn't have been his only goal.  After all, how could he control the Council without Udina?

I think Cerberus' real goal was to perform some kind of sabotage. Plant an indoctrination device maybe?

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

A few possibilities spring to mind:

-He had information on what the catalyst was and wanted the citadel for himself for that reason.
-He had information on where the catalyst was and was looking for it.
-He had information on what/where the catalyst was and got what he was looking for (given that he broke past the prothean VI's defences, maybe he modified it).

-Something else.

-It is what it is, he made some kind of deal with Udina and it's used as a device to get you the backing of the Asari and Salarians.

I corrected your post. 

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[Dwailing]

 OK, I just had a thought.  Maybe TIM thought Udina would jeopardize his plans to control the Reapers.  So, he organized the coup as a way to deal with him.  If the coup succeeded, he would have control over the Council fleets, and if the coup failed, he would have eliminated Udina.  Win win.  Xanatos Gambit, anyone?

Edit: I mean think about it.  TIM has always played the chessmaster before, and has always had a plan.  The only time Shepard ever managed to gain the upper hand and not play right into his plans in ME2 was by destorying the Collector Base, and even then that didn't stop TIM from gaining Reaper tech.

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I just had a thought.  Maybe TIM thought Udina would jeopardize his plans to control the Reapers.  So, he organized the coup as a way to deal with him.  If the coup succeeded, he would have control over the Council fleets, and if the coup failed, he would have eliminated Udina.  Win win.  Xanatos Gambit, anyone?

It's stated in the Codex that Udina planned to turn on Cerberus once the coup was successful. Surely, TIM would see that coming.
But if the coup failed, the other races would unite against Cerberus and the Reapers.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 11:21 .

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I just had a thought.  Maybe TIM thought Udina would jeopardize his plans to control the Reapers.  So, he organized the coup as a way to deal with him.  If the coup succeeded, he would have control over the Council fleets, and if the coup failed, he would have eliminated Udina.  Win win.  Xanatos Gambit, anyone?

It's stated in the Codex that Udina planned to turn on Cerberus once the coup was successful.
But if the coup failed, the other races would unite against Cerberus and the Reapers.

Do you REALLY think Udina would have had the quad to actually SUCCESSFULLY turn on Cerberus?  And like it has been said before, TIM didn't seem too concerned when he heard that the plan had failled.  Like I said, maybe he EXPECTED it to fail and had some greater plan all along.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I just had a thought.  Maybe TIM thought Udina would jeopardize his plans to control the Reapers.  So, he organized the coup as a way to deal with him.  If the coup succeeded, he would have control over the Council fleets, and if the coup failed, he would have eliminated Udina.  Win win.  Xanatos Gambit, anyone?

It's stated in the Codex that Udina planned to turn on Cerberus once the coup was successful.
But if the coup failed, the other races would unite against Cerberus and the Reapers.

Do you REALLY think Udina would have had the quad to actually SUCCESSFULLY turn on Cerberus?  And like it has been said before, TIM didn't seem too concerned when he heard that the plan had failled.  Like I said, maybe he EXPECTED it to fail and had some greater plan all along.

Udina could try once he controlled the Citadel Fleet. He could also blame the coup on Cerberus.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 11:33 .

[RealStyli]

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

[Dwailing]

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

[paxxton]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I think Cerberus' real goal was to perform some kind of sabotage. Plant an indoctrination device maybe?

That would be a plausible explanation. It would support the idea that the Crucible and the Catalyst/Citadel together form a massive indoctrination device.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[Thorn Harvestar]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

This IS the end of the Citadel with the Presidium ring. You can even see it in the picture.

The Citadel can completely seal. Both ends have tips to close up:

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

Can't you see the Presidium ring? It's there. Hidden in the shadows. Seriously, look closely.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 mai 2012 - 11:50 .

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

In the pic we see that it's floating towards the backside if the tower. So I guess when you're making your RGB choice, the tower's right under you and you're right at the center with respect to the presidium ring.
I found the control room rather hard to figure out where it is, due to the wrong curvature direction of that one Shadow Broker-y ring part when you 'cross over'.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 mai 2012 - 11:49 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.

[Big Bad]

paxxton wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I think/hope that TIM's reason for the coup attempt will be made clear in future dlc.

Let's hope it will. Do you have any ideas?

Not really.  But I think it has to be more elaborate and involved than what was suggested in the game.  Too much time and effort was involved, and TIM didn't seem all that disappointed when the coup itself failed.  My first thought was that maybe the whole thing was an attempt to sneak TIM onto the citadel without anybody noticing, but that seems pretty unlikely.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.

Oh yeah, btw, when that whole construction is done and the CruCit assumes position, it looks like a flower -- as we all know -- that fires it's load of RGB space magic out in all the galaxy.
So we had: dead plantation(dreams), green plantation(dream foilage) and flourishing plantation in form of a gigantic flower made out of metal.

Thusly, we come full circle with the plant/nature theme.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 mai 2012 - 11:57 .

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 


I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.

Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.

But how the frak did the Presidium ring get up there?  OK, I guess there had to be a way to secure the back end, but did it really have to move that far up?