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[FFZero]

Found more infrasound, this time during the intro on earth.


We have this the very first time we see the kid




This when Shepard gets thrown back by the explosion.




This is the sound of one of the Reapers walking.




And finally one of the Reaper shouts.

[NoSpin]

draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.

Arrival. "Struggle is you wish Shepard, Your mind will be mine."

The Reapers wanting to indoctrinate Shepard is the whole point of Arrival, a DLC which was "key" to ME3 according to Bioware. Why would they just abandon the entire theme of this DLC?

And of course, peruse the rest of this thread to check out all the evidence these fine people have dug up.

[draken-heart]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm

um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?

Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 

batman turian, srry about that

Hellish feind, is choosing destroy without believing IT choosing poorly, because i will choose destroy no matter what is presented. Katelynn (my vanguard femShep) sticks to her guns

and my logical explanation of the dreams:

• Setting-a park, simple enough
• shadows-Facless people and other things the reaper will destroy in the war, the things Shepard is fighting for
• Whispers-the people who have already sacrificed to stop the reapers/aid Shepard
• Child-the sacrifices that will have to be made to win the war. the burning is also a part of this
• the last dream-where Shepard is burning along with the child, that represents that if Shepard tries to save everyone, he/she will lose the war to the reapers.
• Sound effects-background noise, nothing indoctrination-y about that

now take a look at this explantion. i think i explained every part of the dream without IT


noSpin, i am saying that personally i cannot see Indoctrination as the main theme, sure it can be in the game in some form, but looking logically at it all, i can more reasonable explanations to the dreams, sacrififces and everything in the game without Indoctrination being the focus of it.

Modifié par draken-heart, 18 juin 2012 - 07:54 .

[HellishFiend]

Any difference in the vent scene? Like a Coats-style infrasound presence only when the kid is in "proximity" to Shepard?

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

FFZero wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Very well done Hellishfiend! Also thanks for adding me in the credits, feels good to have finally contributed something the indoc theory.

Also I've been finding even more instances of infra sound in the game, the ardat yakshi mission has quite a few, one of which is particularly interesting since there's no audible bass. Found a few from the Geth dreadnought mission, which isn't surprising, and found a few on the mission where you save the Cerberus scientists.

Do you guys think the Banshees emit infrasonic in their screams? Has that been analyzed? They consistantly create terror as soon as I hear them in SP and MP. Some of it might have to do with the Slenderman power they exibit, jumping at you so fast, having an instakill move. But I think it's more than that.

Snip...

You said there was no infrasound in the screams...what about ultrasonic sound?  I made a post earlier, commmenting that the infrsound evidence made me wonder what else about reaper indoctrination can we tease out of the game files...there is no way that we can look at EMF's, but we could look at ultrasonic sound...I was just looking up sonic weaponry (http://en.wikipedia..../Sonic_weaponry )...there seems to be some overlap w/the infrasound effects...

As this was lost in the responses to "he who may be a pile of ashes after the release of the EC" (see what you and I started Hellish)...I wanted to repost it, with attention called to the bolded.  And I do apologize for my ramblings there...

[SubAstris]

NoSpin wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.

Arrival. "Struggle is you wish Shepard, Your mind will be mine."

The Reapers wanting to indoctrinate Shepard is the whole point of Arrival, a DLC which was "key" to ME3 according to Bioware. Why would they just abandon the entire theme of this DLC?

And of course, peruse the rest of this thread to check out all the evidence these fine people have dug up.

Admittedly, looking at Arrival it seemed the key theme was making difficult decisions (which of course we seen in ME3) , as well as meeting our old friends, the Reapers, hinting (as though we didn't know) that they will be there a lot in ME3

[HellishFiend]

draken-heart wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm

um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?

Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 

batman turian, srry about that

Hellish feind, is choosing destroy without believing IT choosing poorly, because i will choose destroy no matter what is presented. Katelynn (my vanguard femShep) sticks to her guns

and my logical explanation of the dreams:

• Setting-a park, simple enough
• shadows-Facless people and other things the reaper will destroy in the war, the things Shepard is fighting for
• Whispers-the people who have already sacrificed to stop the reapers/aid Shepard
• Child-the sacrifices that will have to be made to win the war. the burning is also a part of this
• the last dream-where Shepard is burning along with the child, that represents that if Shepard tries to save everyone, he/she will lose the war to the reapers.
• Sound effects-background noise, nothing indoctrination-y about that

now take a look at this explantion. i think i explained every part of the dream without IT

No, choosing Destroy without any belief in IT is most definitely NOT choosing poorly. In fact, I believe that to be what Bioware intended from the start. We were not meant to see through the illusion during our first playthrough. We were meant to buy into it and choose according to our values. So if IT is true, and you picked destroy without even knowing about IT, you chose correctly. That's more than I can say, as I didnt come to see Destroy as the correct choice until I researched IT. 

So whether you come to believe IT or not, either way I personally think you made the right choice. 

[SubAstris]

draken-heart wrote..

 i think i explained every part of the dream without IT

Of course, everything can be explained without IT, but where's the fun in that!

[DarthSliver]

I will say this the Indoctrination Theory has been sound since i beat the game and therefore ive been waiting for the EC to come out before i beat the game. I tried to believe in the theory for the sake of replaying the game but i guess id rather see Bioware embrace this theory when the EC comes out instead of hopelessly believing in the theory and going through with a second run. Until than i continue to occupy myself with Co-Op mode and other games. Even through I aint a strong believer in the Theory I wish Bioware to embrace the Theory so the series may live on I dont think the Mass Relays would really just blow up like that but rather show in signs of energy loss as they continue to be used over the centuries to come. But either choice Bioware makes with this theory I am interested in seeing the state of the galaxy in a future Mass Effect title.

[D.Sharrah]

draken-heart wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm

um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?

Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 

batman turian, srry about that

Hellish feind, is choosing destroy without believing IT choosing poorly, because i will choose destroy no matter what is presented. Katelynn (my vanguard femShep) sticks to her guns

and my logical explanation of the dreams:

• Setting-a park, simple enough
  
• shadows-Facless people and other things the reaper will destroy in the war, the things Shepard is fighting for
  
• Whispers-the people who have already sacrificed to stop the reapers/aid Shepard
  
• Child-the sacrifices that will have to be made to win the war. the burning is also a part of this
  
• the last dream-where Shepard is burning along with the child, that represents that if Shepard tries to save everyone, he/she will lose the war to the reapers.
  
• Sound effects-background noise, nothing indoctrination-y about that

now take a look at this explantion. i think i explained every part of the dream without IT


noSpin, i am saying that personally i cannot see Indoctrination as the main theme, sure it can be in the game in some form, but looking logically at it all, i can more reasonable explanations to the dreams, sacrififces and everything in the game without Indoctrination being the focus of it.

Did you watch the video that I linked earlier?  If you watched the video and understood it, then how could you believe that 6 is true (especially when you consider that infrasound is a tool of indoctrination as stated by the codex of the game)?

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 18 juin 2012 - 08:02 .

[EpyonX3]

Arashi08 wrote...


1) Tali as an admiral adds a point to the point system that determines whether it is possible to broker peace between quarians and geth or not.  the wiki page elaborates on how it is a contributing factor.

2) Liara is STILL the Shadow Broker.  Did you not go into her office and read her messages? Or speak to Barla Von when prompted? She still has her information newtork, her network of agents, her connections.   The only thing she doesn't have is her ship, which she destroyed to stop TIM from getting it.  The essential equipment from her ship was put on the Normandy when she (and possibly Feron) loaded it onto their shuttle and escaped.

Those are the only points I wanted to bring up that were factually incorrect, the others are really based on speculation and personal interpretation.

Edited for grammar

1) Tali may be an admiral in one possible playthrough but she alone could never have gotten the Geth and Quarians to stand down. Getting geth and quarian peace without Tali being an Admiral makes Tali being an Admiral less influencial.

Also, she did little to stop the Quarians from attacking the Geth and trying to retake Rannoch. That whole situation played out the same no matter what.

2) I did say she isn't or at least she' not a very capable broker. Since she lost her ship and contact with most of her informants, her abilities to gather info isn't as good as it once was. TIM has a better network than Liara.

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

You said there was no infrasound in the screams...what about ultrasonic sound?  I made a post earlier, commmenting that the infrsound evidence made me wonder what else about reaper indoctrination can we tease out of the game files...there is no way that we can look at EMF's, but we could look at ultrasonic sound...I was just looking up sonic weaponry (http://en.wikipedia..../Sonic_weaponry )...there seems to be some overlap w/the infrasound effects...

As this was lost in the responses to "he who may be a pile of ashes after the release of the EC" (see what you and I started Hellish)...I wanted to repost it, with attention called to the bolded.  And I do apologize for my ramblings there...

I honestly have no idea. I've always been more interested in bass than treble, which is why I have a massive subwoofer and got so excited over the infrasound discovery. If I had to guess, I'd say its far less likely that BW put any ultrasound into the game files, because there is much more diversity and variance in the upper hearing limits for humans. Some humans have their hearing capped so low due to age or genetics, that they have trouble hearing high pitched sounds that the majority of people can hear. Others have extra high hearing range such that they can hear things others cant, like the sound of a CRT monitor being on.

The point I'm trying to make is, if they were to add ultrasound, it would either have to be so low that it would be obvious and painful to the ears, or so high that very few would be able to hear it. Infrasound is a much safer bet to throw in there to cause some slight genuine psychological effects without causing any physical harm. Ultrasound can really hurt your ears if you're sensitive to it. 

That being said, I do think there is at least one case of ultrasound on the normandy. When I was recording some footage there, every 2 minutes I heard a 5-10 second long super high pitched whine that reminded me of what CRTs sound like. Sure enough I'm not the only one that's heard it. And I can tell just by ear alone that it is ultrasound. 

Does that mean it's all over the place? Probably not, for the reasons I listed above. I can say for sure if that sound on the Normandy was constant anywhere, the game would be nearly unplayable for some people. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[BatmanTurian]

draken-heart wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm

um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?

Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 

batman turian, srry about that

Hellish feind, is choosing destroy without believing IT choosing poorly, because i will choose destroy no matter what is presented. Katelynn (my vanguard femShep) sticks to her guns

and my logical explanation of the dreams:

• Setting-a park, simple enough
• shadows-Facless people and other things the reaper will destroy in the war, the things Shepard is fighting for
• Whispers-the people who have already sacrificed to stop the reapers/aid Shepard
• Child-the sacrifices that will have to be made to win the war. the burning is also a part of this
• the last dream-where Shepard is burning along with the child, that represents that if Shepard tries to save everyone, he/she will lose the war to the reapers.
• Sound effects-background noise, nothing indoctrination-y about that

now take a look at this explantion. i think i explained every part of the dream without IT


noSpin, i am saying that personally i cannot see Indoctrination as the main theme, sure it can be in the game in some form, but looking logically at it all, i can more reasonable explanations to the dreams, sacrififces and everything in the game without Indoctrination being the focus of it.

It sounds like you're pretty much almost there. You just have to take that next logical leap.
Good for you that you chose destroy.

[Gernbuster]

D.Sharrah wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

IT-ers, i want to know, where else in the game, besides the start and end, where it is even implied that the reapers are involved with Shepard's brain? i want actual proof, not "it is throughout the game, look for it." before i say that i believe in IT, since right now i cannot say truly that they changed to a liss Indoctrinated, more war-stressed Shepard at the end.

Take a look at this video...

The Sounds of Possession

Eden Prime mission, at the very beginning of ME1. Reaper signal is cutting into the head of all farmers, Shepards and his squatmates.

[Xavendithas]

Just finished watching your vid Hellishfiend... very well done. Major Coates, I knew something was up with that guy.

[FFZero]

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

FFZero wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Very well done Hellishfiend! Also thanks for adding me in the credits, feels good to have finally contributed something the indoc theory.

Also I've been finding even more instances of infra sound in the game, the ardat yakshi mission has quite a few, one of which is particularly interesting since there's no audible bass. Found a few from the Geth dreadnought mission, which isn't surprising, and found a few on the mission where you save the Cerberus scientists.

Do you guys think the Banshees emit infrasonic in their screams? Has that been analyzed? They consistantly create terror as soon as I hear them in SP and MP. Some of it might have to do with the Slenderman power they exibit, jumping at you so fast, having an instakill move. But I think it's more than that.

Snip...

You said there was no infrasound in the screams...what about ultrasonic sound?  I made a post earlier, commmenting that the infrsound evidence made me wonder what else about reaper indoctrination can we tease out of the game files...there is no way that we can look at EMF's, but we could look at ultrasonic sound...I was just looking up sonic weaponry (http://en.wikipedia..../Sonic_weaponry )...there seems to be some overlap w/the infrasound effects...

As this was lost in the responses to "he who may be a pile of ashes after the release of the EC" (see what you and I started Hellish)...I wanted to repost it, with attention called to the bolded.  And I do apologize for my ramblings there...

From what I can tell, no, there's no ultrasound. However since analysing audio isn't my forte I'll leave this TSA or someone else who has a better understanding.

[Humakt83]

Background noises/shouts on the run to the beam are interesting. They are very hard to make out because of the Harbingers constant shooting but I could swear one of them is:

"Take me! Take me!" - with voice like a child.

EDIT: Actually you can hear them in the menu without Harbinger noise.

Modifié par Humakt83, 18 juin 2012 - 08:07 .

[HellishFiend]

Xavendithas wrote...

Just finished watching your vid Hellishfiend... very well done. Major Coates, I knew something was up with that guy.

Many thanks! Glad you enjoyed. 

[draken-heart]

HellishFiend wrote...

Any difference in the vent scene? Like a Coats-style infrasound presence only when the kid is in "proximity" to Shepard?

like i said, background noise, Shepard coming out of a memory perhaps? i could see Shepard reliving a memory of himself/herself and a soldier:

• Child-in this case it could represent a childhood Shepard
• Adult Shepard-Soldier that found kidShep in a vent running from bullies (or rival gang members)
• what Child said to Shepard-i can see that would mean, if earthborn as "i chose this life, you can't save me from it.
• Noise-again background noise
• Anderson-just anderson breaking Shepard out of an old memory

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

You said there was no infrasound in the screams...what about ultrasonic sound?  I made a post earlier, commmenting that the infrsound evidence made me wonder what else about reaper indoctrination can we tease out of the game files...there is no way that we can look at EMF's, but we could look at ultrasonic sound...I was just looking up sonic weaponry (http://en.wikipedia..../Sonic_weaponry )...there seems to be some overlap w/the infrasound effects...

As this was lost in the responses to "he who may be a pile of ashes after the release of the EC" (see what you and I started Hellish)...I wanted to repost it, with attention called to the bolded.  And I do apologize for my ramblings there...

I honestly have no idea. I've always been more interested in bass than treble, which is why I have a massive subwoofer and got so excited over the infrasound discovery. If I had to guess, I'd say its far less likely that BW put any ultrasound into the game files, because there is much more diversity and variance in the upper hearing limits for humans. Some humans have their hearing capped so low due to age or genetics, that they have trouble hearing high pitched sounds that the majority of people can hear. Others have extra high hearing range such that they can hear things others cant, like the sound of a CRT monitor being on.

The point I'm trying to make is, if they were to add ultrasound, it would either have to be so low that it would be obvious and painful to the ears, or so high that very few would be able to hear it. Infrasound is a much safer bet to throw in there to cause some slight genuine psychological effects without causing any physical harm. Ultrasound can really hurt your ears if you're sensitive to it. 

That being said, I do think there is at least one case of ultrasound on the normandy. When I was recording some footage there, every 2 minutes I heard a 5-10 second long super high pitched whine that reminded me of what CRTs sound like. Sure enough I'm not the only one that's heard it. And I can tell just by ear alone that it is ultrasound. 

Does that mean it's all over the place? Probably not, for the reasons I listed above. I can say for sure if that sound on the Normandy was constant anywhere, the game would be nearly unplayable for some people. 

What was lost in my snip and re-post was the post that comment came from...it was from someone asking if there was infrasound in the Banshee screams...and while you provide an absolutely awesome answer, I still wonder if there is more that we can tease out from the codex about indoctrination and find examples of it in game (like the infrasound evidence).  Ultrasound being something else that could be there...lead to the question.

[draken-heart]

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

maybe it is but it does not prove that IT is actually how the game ends and OH ALL RIGHT INDOCTRINATION IS THE END OF THE GAME!!!!!! HAPPY!?!?!?!?/angry sarcasm

um wut. Can you try to be civil and use sentences that make sense? Maybe tell us who you're responding to?

Do you hear that hum?  Wait, no, that was just the sound of the entire point of IT soaring over his head. 

I have a feeling he is going to choose poorly. 

batman turian, srry about that

Hellish feind, is choosing destroy without believing IT choosing poorly, because i will choose destroy no matter what is presented. Katelynn (my vanguard femShep) sticks to her guns

and my logical explanation of the dreams:

• Setting-a park, simple enough
• shadows-Facless people and other things the reaper will destroy in the war, the things Shepard is fighting for
• Whispers-the people who have already sacrificed to stop the reapers/aid Shepard
• Child-the sacrifices that will have to be made to win the war. the burning is also a part of this
• the last dream-where Shepard is burning along with the child, that represents that if Shepard tries to save everyone, he/she will lose the war to the reapers.
• Sound effects-background noise, nothing indoctrination-y about that

now take a look at this explantion. i think i explained every part of the dream without IT


noSpin, i am saying that personally i cannot see Indoctrination as the main theme, sure it can be in the game in some form, but looking logically at it all, i can more reasonable explanations to the dreams, sacrififces and everything in the game without Indoctrination being the focus of it.

It sounds like you're pretty much almost there. You just have to take that next logical leap.
Good for you that you chose destroy.

and what is that batman Turian?

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...
What was lost in my snip and re-post was the post that comment came from...it was from someone asking if there was infrasound in the Banshee screams...and while you provide an absolutely awesome answer, I still wonder if there is more that we can tease out from the codex about indoctrination and find examples of it in game (like the infrasound evidence).  Ultrasound being something else that could be there...lead to the question.

Could be, but I'm still enjoying the high of the infrasound discovery and how well the video turned out. Once I settle down a bit, I'll start work on my next video and continue to explore new avenues of investigation. 

[HellishFiend]

Humakt83 wrote...

Background noises/shouts on the run to the beam are interesting. They are very hard to make out because of the Harbingers constant shooting but I could swear one of them is:

"Take me! Take me!" - with voice like a child.

EDIT: Actually you can hear them in the menu without Harbinger noise.

Definitely going to check into this at the first opportunity. Thanks! Keep at it! 

[D.Sharrah]

FFZero wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

FFZero wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Very well done Hellishfiend! Also thanks for adding me in the credits, feels good to have finally contributed something the indoc theory.

Also I've been finding even more instances of infra sound in the game, the ardat yakshi mission has quite a few, one of which is particularly interesting since there's no audible bass. Found a few from the Geth dreadnought mission, which isn't surprising, and found a few on the mission where you save the Cerberus scientists.

Do you guys think the Banshees emit infrasonic in their screams? Has that been analyzed? They consistantly create terror as soon as I hear them in SP and MP. Some of it might have to do with the Slenderman power they exibit, jumping at you so fast, having an instakill move. But I think it's more than that.

Snip...

You said there was no infrasound in the screams...what about ultrasonic sound?  I made a post earlier, commmenting that the infrsound evidence made me wonder what else about reaper indoctrination can we tease out of the game files...there is no way that we can look at EMF's, but we could look at ultrasonic sound...I was just looking up sonic weaponry (http://en.wikipedia..../Sonic_weaponry )...there seems to be some overlap w/the infrasound effects...

As this was lost in the responses to "he who may be a pile of ashes after the release of the EC" (see what you and I started Hellish)...I wanted to repost it, with attention called to the bolded.  And I do apologize for my ramblings there...

From what I can tell, no, there's no ultrasound. However since analysing audio isn't my forte I'll leave this TSA or someone else who has a better understanding.

Thanks...hopefully TSA will see the question.

[Xavendithas]

I'm going to throw this out again, due to the infrasonic noise discussion.

How many of the scenes involving Shep/Anderson/Coates together have been analyzed, if any? A theory I've kicked out a couple times during the life of the thread is that Coates is a shared hallucination between Shep and Anderson. I'm very interested in what the infrasonic noise looks like in scenes involving all 3 of them.