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[Jadebaby]

Riot86 wrote...

Just had some quick thought about the "Catalyst" (NOT the Starchild)...

So, despite having the galaxy's best engineers and scientists working on the Crucible, nobody can tell what the missing part called the "Catalyst" actually is. Also, no one knows what the Crucible itself really does. So I guess it is save to assume, that at least some of those brilliant scientists have tried to figure those two things out. So far, so good...I have no problem with this part.

Then the Prothean VI tells you, that the Citadel is the Catalyst....
And suddently it seems to be clear, that we have to attach the Crucible at the backside of the Presidium tower? And of course, it fits perfect...how convienient 


So now I have a question:

Why did not one(!!) of the most brilliant minds in the whole galaxy figure this out before? Wouldn't studiying the plans reveal that the 4 Crucible "arms" have the exact same span as the Presidum Ring's radius? Wouldn't some computer assisted analysis of the blueprints at least point out this "conincidence"? Remember, were not talking about some random space station in the Horsehead Nebula, we're talking about the Centre of the Galactic Community. If the last hope we have in this war has the same scale as the Citadel, I find it VERY hard to believe that nobody found out about this. This makes no friggin sense! :happy:

I'm actually starting to believe, that the whole Prothean VI part on Cronos Station was also a hallucination and we still don't know what the Catalyst is.


And this part being a dream would also fit in with one of my favorite aspect of the IT - the hallucination consists of elements from Shepard's memory.

Just look at the ending of Mass Effect 1. We talk to a Prothean VI which tells us, the way to stop the Reapers is to go to the Citadel. To the Presidium Tower to be specific. We also get the info, that our adversary (= Saren) is already there. We finally reach the Citadel through the "Conduit".

In Mass Effect 3 we talk to a Prothean VI which tells us the way to stop the Reapers is to bring the Crucible to the Citadel. And dock it at the backside of the Presidium Tower to be specific. We also get the info, that our adversary (= TIM) is already there. We finally reach the Citadel through a "Conduit".

Sounds pretty similar to me...

I agree it is VERY similiar to Saren in ME1, especially the way you can also talk TIM into shooting himself.

However, I find the whole construction of the crucible to be fairly ridiculous tbh.

[Humakt83]

Is there infrasound when Crucible docks into the Citadel?

Also I'd like to point out that Shepard's shadow is shown underneath the "elevator" that takes him to decision chamber. A bug or made so on purpose? Anyway the whispers during IM encounter and Shepard's voice echoing Catalyst are even more evident without music. Not to mention you can hear a faint ringing noise in the decision chamber.

Modifié par Humakt83, 18 juin 2012 - 09:00 .

[Jadebaby]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

check it. This guy says we're in permanent denial and that:

"The problem with IT is that it has been directly contradicted multiple times by people working on EC/Biowares EC statements."

Dealing with this BS every day, I hope the EC makes it all worth it...

While it seems increasingly unlikely, it could just be Bioware trying to spin things in the other direction, remember IT popularity is at an all time high.

I don't remember any time that they have directly contradicted it flat-out. Otherwise this whole forum would be full of Anti-IT " I told you so, NYEH!!!"

I never said they did flat-out contradict it, because they haven't, but there have been statements that make IT look more unlikely than others. You must have seen them.

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

check it. This guy says we're in permanent denial and that:

"The problem with IT is that it has been directly contradicted multiple times by people working on EC/Biowares EC statements."

Dealing with this BS every day, I hope the EC makes it all worth it...

You certainly are a brave soldier traversing the breach, BT.

Fortunately, you can feel a lot better now, because at this point we finally have rock-solid tangible evidence rather than just a bevy of thematic/symbolic evidence.

In my opinion, thematic/symbolic evidence is equally powerful, but thats just me.

In any case, with the addition of this tangible evidence to our case, we can now simply present it to people and watch as they struggle to disregard it without looking like it is they who are in denial. If they do that, you know you can just feel good about walking away.

I know but I'm going to wait until we have a lot more infrasonic findings compiled into one video before throwing it out there.

But yeah, I go out and try to be nice and counter some of the on-the-fence people. Sometimes it works and I make friends. I don't try to influence people, just educate them on their misinformation. I'm trying to be a teacher and not a preacher.

I wont be putting out another video on that subject, barring any Earth-shattering discoveries. I feel that video does its job well: educating people on the subject, laying out how it applies in real life vs ME, and presenting the two major findings we have in that area so far. From then on it can easily be supplemented by the addition of screenshots and text in a forum thread. 

In my opinion the video is ready to be deployed to the masses, but I'm planning on waiting 24-48 hours before I start posting threads and submitting it to websites. I want to give our community here in the IT thread a chance to absorb, appreciate, and understand it first. 

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

 So, what up my IT peeps? 

Have you seen my video?

The Sounds of Possession

[FellishBeast]

HOLY CRAP. Okay I just listened to the indoctrination codex entry again for the first time in awhile. It flat out says "infrasonic noise." Wow. Um. Okay, I realized that sound discovery was a cool find, but...I now realize its overwhelming significance. Wow. Um. So...I guess that's "welcome to several days ago" for me, yeah?

Okay, I'm caught up now. I'm clearly a genius...lmfao xD

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

check it. This guy says we're in permanent denial and that:

"The problem with IT is that it has been directly contradicted multiple times by people working on EC/Biowares EC statements."

Dealing with this BS every day, I hope the EC makes it all worth it...

You certainly are a brave soldier traversing the breach, BT.

Fortunately, you can feel a lot better now, because at this point we finally have rock-solid tangible evidence rather than just a bevy of thematic/symbolic evidence.

In my opinion, thematic/symbolic evidence is equally powerful, but thats just me.

In any case, with the addition of this tangible evidence to our case, we can now simply present it to people and watch as they struggle to disregard it without looking like it is they who are in denial. If they do that, you know you can just feel good about walking away.

I know but I'm going to wait until we have a lot more infrasonic findings compiled into one video before throwing it out there.

But yeah, I go out and try to be nice and counter some of the on-the-fence people. Sometimes it works and I make friends. I don't try to influence people, just educate them on their misinformation. I'm trying to be a teacher and not a preacher.

I wont be putting out another video on that subject, barring any Earth-shattering discoveries. I feel that video does its job well: educating people on the subject, laying out how it applies in real life vs ME, and presenting the two major findings we have in that area so far. From then on it can easily be supplemented by the addition of screenshots and text in a forum thread. 

In my opinion the video is ready to be deployed to the masses, but I'm planning on waiting 24-48 hours before I start posting threads and submitting it to websites. I want to give our community here in the IT thread a chance to absorb, appreciate, and understand it first. 

Did I miss you posting your video?  If so, POST THE LINK PLEASE!!! I NEED TO SEE THIS!!!

[EpyonX3]

Arashi08 wrote...


Um... Excuse me! not caring over here!

Some people...so inconsiderate

oh btw this is yours:

Tali was exiled in my playthrough, but even as an Admiral, the actions of the Quarians didn't really depend much on her word.

Liara's no longer the Shadow broker, or at least a very capable one from the start of the game.

What's wrong about what I said? Even as an Admiral they went to war with the geth using civilians. And when Shepard allowed the code to be uploaded, they ignored Tali's order to stand down and Shepard had to intervene. So why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Tali?

I stand by my Liara comment because it's true. She's no longer a the Shadow Broker she once was. She lost her ship, her contacts and TIM now has more info than she does. How is this a capable shadow broker?

[lex0r11]

Dwailing wrote...

 So, what up my IT peeps? 

Hmm. Hanging out in the forum. Playing some games.

Recruiting more people for our cause.

[BatmanTurian]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

check it. This guy says we're in permanent denial and that:

"The problem with IT is that it has been directly contradicted multiple times by people working on EC/Biowares EC statements."

Dealing with this BS every day, I hope the EC makes it all worth it...

While it seems increasingly unlikely, it could just be Bioware trying to spin things in the other direction, remember IT popularity is at an all time high.

I don't remember any time that they have directly contradicted it flat-out. Otherwise this whole forum would be full of Anti-IT " I told you so, NYEH!!!"

I never said they did flat-out contradict it, because they haven't, but there have been statements that make IT look more unlikely than others. You must have seen them.

Maybe, but I don't remember them. I probably just thought " yeah they're just keeping up the illusion of the ARG " and forgot about them.

[HellishFiend]

Humakt83 wrote...

Is there infrasound when Crucible docks into the Citadel?

Also I'd like to point out that Shepard's shadow is shown underneath the "elevator" that takes him to decision chamber. A bug or made so on purpose? Anyway the whispers during IM encounter and Shepard's voice echoing Catalyst are even more evident without music. Not to mention you can hear a faint ringing noise in the decision chamber.

That's an unfortunate bug. Shadows ignore clipping almost everywhere in the game. Fortunately they did get shadow sourcing downpat, so we know that the locked angles in the Anderson/TIM sequence are intentional. 

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

check it. This guy says we're in permanent denial and that:

"The problem with IT is that it has been directly contradicted multiple times by people working on EC/Biowares EC statements."

Dealing with this BS every day, I hope the EC makes it all worth it...

You certainly are a brave soldier traversing the breach, BT.

Fortunately, you can feel a lot better now, because at this point we finally have rock-solid tangible evidence rather than just a bevy of thematic/symbolic evidence.

In my opinion, thematic/symbolic evidence is equally powerful, but thats just me.

In any case, with the addition of this tangible evidence to our case, we can now simply present it to people and watch as they struggle to disregard it without looking like it is they who are in denial. If they do that, you know you can just feel good about walking away.

I know but I'm going to wait until we have a lot more infrasonic findings compiled into one video before throwing it out there.

But yeah, I go out and try to be nice and counter some of the on-the-fence people. Sometimes it works and I make friends. I don't try to influence people, just educate them on their misinformation. I'm trying to be a teacher and not a preacher.

I wont be putting out another video on that subject, barring any Earth-shattering discoveries. I feel that video does its job well: educating people on the subject, laying out how it applies in real life vs ME, and presenting the two major findings we have in that area so far. From then on it can easily be supplemented by the addition of screenshots and text in a forum thread. 

In my opinion the video is ready to be deployed to the masses, but I'm planning on waiting 24-48 hours before I start posting threads and submitting it to websites. I want to give our community here in the IT thread a chance to absorb, appreciate, and understand it first. 

Ah, okay well if you believe that is the best plan, then I bow to your superior wisdom.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 juin 2012 - 09:04 .

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.

So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?

Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.

Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.

[Arashi08]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


Um... Excuse me! not caring over here!

Some people...so inconsiderate

oh btw this is yours:

Tali was exiled in my playthrough, but even as an Admiral, the actions of the Quarians didn't really depend much on her word.

Liara's no longer the Shadow broker, or at least a very capable one from the start of the game.

What's wrong about what I said? Even as an Admiral they went to war with the geth using civilians. And when Shepard allowed the code to be uploaded, they ignored Tali's order to stand down and Shepard had to intervene. So why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Tali?

I stand by my Liara comment because it's true. She's no longer a the Shadow Broker she once was. She lost her ship, her contacts and TIM now has more info than she does. How is this a capable shadow broker?

Ok seriously,

NOT...

caring....

think what you want

[estebanus]

I've got a question here that doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination.

An everest class dreadnought can fire up to 5 slugs a minute, right? Each one of them has the yield of three times the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right?

The codex states that takes that 4 dreadnoughts can destroy a sovereign-class reaper, right?

4*5=20 slugs fired each minute.

Each slug has the triple power of a single nuke.

20*3= 60.

So, in order to destroy one reaper, one would have to fire off 60 nukes, right?

Does anyone know what the estimated quantity of todays nukes are?

Modifié par estebanus, 18 juin 2012 - 09:04 .

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

HOLY CRAP. Okay I just listened to the indoctrination codex entry again for the first time in awhile. It flat out says "infrasonic noise." Wow. Um. Okay, I realized that sound discovery was a cool find, but...I now realize its overwhelming significance. Wow. Um. So...I guess that's "welcome to several days ago" for me, yeah?

Okay, I'm caught up now. I'm clearly a genius...lmfao xD

This may be a silly question, but have you watched ACAVYOS's IT video on youtube? It plays nearly the entire codex entry at the start of the video... Thats the main reason why I assume people are already familiar with it. 

[Gernbuster]

Is anyone else woundering, why the Reapers don't know of the crucible at all?
Many cicles tried to built it and as we know, the Reapers can read your mind if you get fully indoctrinated. It is impossible that the Reapers don't have the ability to imagine that THIS cycle could try it again.
You really can't tell me that if the crucible is arriving they do not throw everything on it even if they are fighting at the same time.

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
I wont be putting out another video on that subject, barring any Earth-shattering discoveries. I feel that video does its job well: educating people on the subject, laying out how it applies in real life vs ME, and presenting the two major findings we have in that area so far. From then on it can easily be supplemented by the addition of screenshots and text in a forum thread. 

In my opinion the video is ready to be deployed to the masses, but I'm planning on waiting 24-48 hours before I start posting threads and submitting it to websites. I want to give our community here in the IT thread a chance to absorb, appreciate, and understand it first. 

Ah, okay well if you believe that is the best plan, then I bow to your superior wisdom.

Please dont put me up on a pedestal, I will fall and break something. :happy:

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.

So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?

Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.

Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.

more unreliable because they never tell you when or how Shepard ended the reaper threat.

[Gernbuster]

estebanus wrote...

I've got a question here that doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination.

An everest class dreadnought can fire up to 5 slugs a minute, right? Each one of them has the yield of three times the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right?

The codex states that takes that 4 dreadnoughts can destroy a sovereign-class reaper, right?

4*5=20 slugs fired each minute.

Each slug has the triple power of a single nuke.

20*3= 60.

So, in order to destroy one reaper, one would have to fire off 60 nukes, right?

Does anyone know what the estimated quantity of todays nukes are?

Guess the Reapers got high evolved Cyberwarefare weapons, so it will be hard to aim, but basicly yes I guess, except they are not fireing nukes, but massiv bullets with nearly the speed of light.
Its like a railgun.

Modifié par Gernbuster, 18 juin 2012 - 09:09 .

[BatmanTurian]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.

So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?

Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.

Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.

more unreliable because they never tell you when or how Shepard ended the reaper threat.

Oh I found this trope too: Teasing Creator. That is so Bioware, those scamps.

[estebanus]

Gernbuster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I've got a question here that doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination.

An everest class dreadnought can fire up to 5 slugs a minute, right? Each one of them has the yield of three times the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right?

The codex states that takes that 4 dreadnoughts can destroy a sovereign-class reaper, right?

4*5=20 slugs fired each minute.

Each slug has the triple power of a single nuke.

20*3= 60.

So, in order to destroy one reaper, one would have to fire off 60 nukes, right?

Does anyone know what the estimated quantity of todays nukes are?

Guess the Reapers got high evolved Cyberwarefare weapons, so it will be hard to aim, but basicly yes I guess.

I'm just wondering how many reapers we could theoretically destroy with today's technology...

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

I've got a question here that doesn't have anything to do with indoctrination.

An everest class dreadnought can fire up to 5 slugs a minute, right? Each one of them has the yield of three times the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right?

The codex states that takes that 4 dreadnoughts can destroy a sovereign-class reaper, right?

4*5=20 slugs fired each minute.

Each slug has the triple power of a single nuke.

20*3= 60.

So, in order to destroy one reaper, one would have to fire off 60 nukes, right?

Does anyone know what the estimated quantity of todays nukes are?

Across the planet? Somewhere in the tens of thousands, I believe. Most are just warheads, though. They have to be equipped with a delivery system to be used. 

Remember though that comparing the destructive force of a nuke to that of a slug can cause easy misconceptions. A nuke does its damage with force and pressure. In a way, it could sort of be seen like Infrasonic noise on an exponential scale. A slug does its damage through the force of impact. They are topics worth spending some time reading up on wikipedia if you're curious! It's good stuff. 

[Arashi08]

So, off-topic, how do you create a hyperlink to a youtube video and have it start in the middle or so of the video when someone clicks the link?

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 So, what up my IT peeps? 

Have you seen my video?

The Sounds of Possession

I'm watching it, and all I can say is sweet Jesus have mercy!  It's awesome.  Also, what's your face code?  You've done good work with the face creator.