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Compelling. Could you describe when exactly the sounds are played? The infrasounds are suspiciously absent from the latter 2 sounds!FFZero wrote...
Found something interesting in the end. I compared some of the audio of the conversation between Star Brat and Shepard.
This is an analysis of some of Star Brats dialogue.
And this is Shepard's.
Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 09:30 .
BatmanTurian wrote...
ok I'm calling for backup on this guy. Someone like Hellish or TSA is better at answering this than me.
http://social.biowar...9204/6#12636048BatmanTurian wrote...
Show me where it has been contradicted.
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings
In no way can IT be considered an ending.
BioWare will expanding on the ending
Again this is implying the ending is already there.
http://sticktwiddler...shley-williams/
"The sessions I’ve had so far have been really simple, and Bioware’s not changing the ending, but it’s explaining and justifying it more.”
Again
fairly obvious here, says there not changing the ending which IT would
certainly be.. Justify the ending also goes against IT. Also note it's
implied the ending is already there.BatmanTurian wrote...
Also, denial is a two way street.
Even
if you believe IT is correct 100 percent it's not readily apparent , so
denial cannot be applied to anti-IT without streching the definition of
denial.
TJBartlemus wrote...
Have you tested for ultrasonic noise as well? Cause in the codex it says that they use infrasonic and ultrasonic noise for indoctrination.
Gernbuster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
I came across this and I am absolutely amazed they didn't have this in the game. Why delete this scene???
Can you imagine you run across the beam, you gonna end the Reaper thread, once and for all. You are sad, so many terrible things happend you might have saved the Quarians and Geth died just because you love Tali and the she dies infront of you, together with Garrus your best friend?
Do I need to say anymore?
HellishFiend wrote...
FFZero wrote...
Found something interesting in the end. I compared some of the audio of the conversation between Star Brat and Shepard.
This is an analysis of some of Star Brats dialogue.
*snip*
Hrm, does that analysis include the echo effect, or is it of the files without the echo added?
Riot86 wrote...
I agreeHellishFiend wrote...
I'm still of the opinion that the whole "Crucible + Catalyst = Defeat of the Reapers" thing is very doubtful, but we'll see.
As I said before, I still think the Crucible is a Reaper device "used "in case a Cycle has become too dangerous. "Dangerous" doesn't necessarily mean that the Cycle would be able to defeat the Reapers. But it means that this Cycle might be able to inflict some serious losses on them.
EDI said that "self preservation" is one of the Reaper's key motives - if not THE key motive. So I believe taking heavy losses is something they would try to avoid at all costs. And we can be sure, that the united galaxy of "our" cycle would be able to do so in the final battle about to take place. Remember in a normal cycle there would not be a final battle, since the Reapers would take control over the Citadel AND the Mass Relays immediately. It would simply not be possible for the organics to gather all their fleets.
As for the "Catalyst" itsellf I'm still not 100% sure what it could be (but I doubt it is the Citadel or the Starchild)...I have a few thoughts on it though. But they aren't well thought through yet to be honest...it is more of a quick brainstorming:
As far as I can tell from the word, a "Catalyst" normally enables, speed-ups or directs a reaction. So if the Crucible is some sort of Reaper trap, maybe sending out some sort of Indoctrination signal, the Catalyst might be something that enhances this very signal. As Indoctrination ultimately breaks someones will, a huge Indoctrination Device might need someone strong-willed as a "Catalyst".
Maybe THAT is the reason why the Reapers try to indoctrinate Shepard. If this "remarkably strong-willed" person would "fuel" the Crucible, the signal might be strong enough to indoctrinate all organics in a certain area. Avoiding the losses of a final battle.
FFZero wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
FFZero wrote...
Found something interesting in the end. I compared some of the audio of the conversation between Star Brat and Shepard.
This is an analysis of some of Star Brats dialogue.
*snip*
Hrm, does that analysis include the echo effect, or is it of the files without the echo added?
With the echo.
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.
So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?
Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.
Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.
HellishFiend wrote...
Riot86 wrote...
I agreeHellishFiend wrote...
I'm still of the opinion that the whole "Crucible + Catalyst = Defeat of the Reapers" thing is very doubtful, but we'll see.
As I said before, I still think the Crucible is a Reaper device "used "in case a Cycle has become too dangerous. "Dangerous" doesn't necessarily mean that the Cycle would be able to defeat the Reapers. But it means that this Cycle might be able to inflict some serious losses on them.
EDI said that "self preservation" is one of the Reaper's key motives - if not THE key motive. So I believe taking heavy losses is something they would try to avoid at all costs. And we can be sure, that the united galaxy of "our" cycle would be able to do so in the final battle about to take place. Remember in a normal cycle there would not be a final battle, since the Reapers would take control over the Citadel AND the Mass Relays immediately. It would simply not be possible for the organics to gather all their fleets.
As for the "Catalyst" itsellf I'm still not 100% sure what it could be (but I doubt it is the Citadel or the Starchild
As far as I can tell from the word, a "Catalyst" normally enables, speed-ups or directs a reaction. So if the Crucible is some sort of Reaper trap, maybe sending out some sort of Indoctrination signal, the Catalyst might be something that enhances this very signal. As Indoctrination ultimately breaks someones will, a huge Indoctrination Device might need someone strong-willed as a "Catalyst".
Maybe THAT is the reason why the Reapers try to indoctrinate Shepard. If this "remarkably strong-willed" person would "fuel" the Crucible, the signal might be strong enough to indoctrinate all organics in a certain area. Avoiding the losses of a final battle.
I agree with your reasoning in all of that. In fact I take it a step further in one area and believe that the fact that Starbinger says "The Crucible changed me" is intended to be a clue that he literally is not a catalyst by definition. <_<
That's what I was thinking too, just like the datapad at the end of ME2Andromidius wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.
So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?
Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.
Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.
They also say you should buy DLC. Its a 4th wall break, and shouldn't be considered 'part of the story'.
BatmanTurian wrote...
ok I'm calling for backup on this guy. Someone like Hellish or TSA is better at answering this than me.
http://social.biowar...9204/6#12636048BatmanTurian wrote...
Show me where it has been contradicted.
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings
In no way can IT be considered an ending.
BioWare will expanding on the ending
Again this is implying the ending is already there.
http://sticktwiddler...shley-williams/
"The sessions I’ve had so far have been really simple, and Bioware’s not changing the ending, but it’s explaining and justifying it more.”
Again
fairly obvious here, says there not changing the ending which IT would
certainly be.. Justify the ending also goes against IT. Also note it's
implied the ending is already there.BatmanTurian wrote...
Also, denial is a two way street.
Even
if you believe IT is correct 100 percent it's not readily apparent , so
denial cannot be applied to anti-IT without streching the definition of
denial.
Andromidius wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.
So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?
Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.
Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.
They also say you should buy DLC. Its a 4th wall break, and shouldn't be considered 'part of the story'.
TJBartlemus wrote...
Gernbuster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
I came across this and I am absolutely amazed they didn't have this in the game. Why delete this scene???
Can you imagine you run across the beam, you gonna end the Reaper thread, once and for all. You are sad, so many terrible things happend you might have saved the Quarians and Geth died just because you love Tali and the she dies infront of you, together with Garrus your best friend?
Do I need to say anymore?
Well for those with too low EMS and their friends die, this would be a better way to show they died instead of finding their body in front of you later.
Dwailing wrote...
You know, it's funny, on a thing I was doing for Biology class, one of the things I had to do was give the definition of a catalyst. The first thing I wrote was, "A lying scumbag." Of course, I replaced it with the REAL definition of a catalyst afterwards, but still.
Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 09:38 .
HellishFiend wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You know, it's funny, on a thing I was doing for Biology class, one of the things I had to do was give the definition of a catalyst. The first thing I wrote was, "A lying scumbag." Of course, I replaced it with the REAL definition of a catalyst afterwards, but still.
"A lying scumbag. If you believe otherwise, then you have gotten it wrong."
That would have been my answer.
paxxton wrote...
Compelling. Could you describe when exactly the sounds are played? The infrasounds are suspiciously absent from the latter 2 sounds!FFZero wrote...
Found something interesting in the end. I compared some of the audio of the conversation between Star Brat and Shepard.
This is an analysis of some of Star Brats dialogue.
And this is Shepard's.
Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 09:42 .
FellishBeast wrote...
I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.
Andromidius wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
If you start looking at the game itself as an Unreliable Narrator
and do some research into what slow Indoctrination by a Reaper does to a
person, then you will begin to understand. Like I said, you're almost
there. You just need to be a little open-minded and consider some of the
observations we've made and how they fit the lore.
So who's the unreliable Narrator for ME3?
Bioware, of course. They're the writers.
of course they could also be doing Lying Creator or some combination of both.
Well if IT is true then Bioware is certainly the second one since they tell you Shepard ended the reaper threat and the story is over.
They also say you should buy DLC. Its a 4th wall break, and shouldn't be considered 'part of the story'.
Good catchHellishFiend wrote...
I agree with your reasoning in all of that. In fact I take it a step further in one area and believe that the fact that Starbinger says "The Crucible changed me" is intended to be a clue that he literally is not a catalyst by definition. <_<
Modifié par Riot86, 18 juin 2012 - 09:42 .
I don't really have an opinion regarding whether or not Shep's squadmates are being indoctrinated, but I think the fact that her squadmates are so close to Shep is itself a sufficient reason to indoctrinate them.EpyonX3 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
What's wrong about what I said? Even as an Admiral they went to war with the geth using civilians. And when Shepard allowed the code to be uploaded, they ignored Tali's order to stand down and Shepard had to intervene. So why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Tali?
I'm pretty sure you need Tali and Koris saying "Shepard speaks with my authority", or you can't make peace...
That's not my point at all this is the problem. It got lost a few pages ago.
The original conversation was about what factors about your squadmates would lead them to be indoctrinated. Tali being an admiral was one but I disagreed since, even though she's an admiral in one possible playthrough, it doesn't mean she'll be an automatic target since she isn't a very influencial figure.
The Quarians still go to war for Rannoch, they still don't listen to her when she orders the fleets to break off and it still took Shepard to actually make peace by doing the server mission with Legion and convincing the Quarians to stop firing.
FellishBeast wrote...
I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.
Dwailing wrote...
Do you consider the message at the end of ME2 to be "part of the story"? 'Cause there's a fourth wall breaking message at the end of the story there, too.
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