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Okay now I'm really confused and my discovery may actually be nothing.

Here is the analysis of Femshep saying the line "But you're doing it by wiping out organic life."

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Now here's male shep saying the exact same line.

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:blink:

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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.


Because I'm a compulsive debater. I'm just built that way.


You need some logic in your debate son. This IT thing is dead just like ME3. Nobody cares about this game now. Just stop this madness people.

IT IS OVER...........GAMEOVER...............DONE...........COMPLETE! It or normal ending it's over and the game just sucks. Hell, 90% of the topics aren't even about people enjoying the game. All people do it debate this IT theory or chat about how much the ending sucked. To me this is a sign the game itself sucked ass if nobody is talking about anything else good about it.


You're wrong.  Because we care.

Your troll attempt failed.  Care to try again? 

Or would you like to stay and maybe dig out some evidence to back up your statements?  Because that would be delightful.


For the love of god dude. You IT people ARE THE ONES indoctrinated. You so deeply believe in this theory like it's some higher power. Everywhere you guys look in the game you believe it's some crazy secret from bioware. Now some of you THINK you're hearing low pitches in the game. This crap has got to stop.


Chill out man, it doesnt affect you personally does it

#21903
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Andromidius wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm actually a compulsive debater too. Usually my first instinct when someone says any kind of non-fact to me is to attempt to poke holes in it so I can debate it. It's a handy habit for objectivity, but bad if you always feel you have to act on it. That being said, I use extra restraint when arguing over the internet, because its a veritable minefield of trolls, and most of the time you might as well just throw your arms up and get pissed off before saying anything, and save yourself a lot of typing. 


*cough*  Same.  *cough*

Problem is I get annoyed relatively easily, so my ability to debate is pretty much limited to 'people who mostly agree with me but have differing views on small details'.  Otherwise I just get irritated that someone can disagree with me.

Which goes to show logic and emotion really don't mix very well.


That one sentence right there is the root of every flaw in the human race. And that is no exaggeration. Unfortunately it is also what makes us who we are. The "defining characteristic of organic life", if you will. Another reason I love Mass Effect. The qualities that made humanity such a powerful force in galactic civilization in such a short time, and the extreme interest the Reapers show in us, are very analogous to qualities we possess in reality. Qualities that are simultaneously our greatest strength, and greatest weakness. 

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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.


Because I'm a compulsive debater. I'm just built that way.


You need some logic in your debate son. This IT thing is dead just like ME3. Nobody cares about this game now. Just stop this madness people.

IT IS OVER...........GAMEOVER...............DONE...........COMPLETE! It or normal ending it's over and the game just sucks. Hell, 90% of the topics aren't even about people enjoying the game. All people do it debate this IT theory or chat about how much the ending sucked. To me this is a sign the game itself sucked ass if nobody is talking about anything else good about it.


You're wrong.  Because we care.

Your troll attempt failed.  Care to try again? 

Or would you like to stay and maybe dig out some evidence to back up your statements?  Because that would be delightful.


For the love of god dude. You IT people ARE THE ONES indoctrinated. You so deeply believe in this theory like it's some higher power. Everywhere you guys look in the game you believe it's some crazy secret from bioware. Now some of you THINK you're hearing low pitches in the game. This crap has got to stop.


Um...actually no, alot of us just want a better ending, IT is just a means to learning more about what may or may not be there.

maybe I should get a courtroom doll so you can show us where IT touched you...Posted Image

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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

For the love of god dude. You IT people ARE THE ONES indoctrinated. You so deeply believe in this theory like it's some higher power. Everywhere you guys look in the game you believe it's some crazy secret from bioware. Now some of you THINK you're hearing low pitches in the game. This crap has got to stop.


Go to hell.  Go directly to hell.  Do not pass go.  Do not collect $200.

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umadcommander wrote...

Chill out man, it doesnt affect you personally does it


Relax, that individual's need to attempt to impress their views upon us is a sign of mental instability. Wait long enough, and it will either go away on its own, or implode. Either way, works for us. 

edit: this applies to everyone currently getting annoyed by said unstable individual....

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 10:01 .


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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

You need some logic in your debate son. This IT thing is dead just like ME3. Nobody cares about this game now. Just stop this madness people.

IT IS OVER...........GAMEOVER...............DONE...........COMPLETE! It or normal ending it's over and the game just sucks. Hell, 90% of the topics aren't even about people enjoying the game. All people do it debate this IT theory or chat about how much the ending sucked. To me this is a sign the game itself sucked ass if nobody is talking about anything else good about it.


You tried.

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HellishFiend wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

Chill out man, it doesnt affect you personally does it


Relax, that individual's need to attempt to impress their views upon us is a sign of mental instability. Wait long enough, and it will either go away on its own, or implode. Either way, works for us. 


More importantly, their attempt to say that computer analysis of the audio files found something means we think we're hearing something is a sign of incredibly stupidity.

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Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Have you seen my video?

The Sounds of Possession

AWESOME Video, man! B)

Mind. Blown.

Great job...from all working on the infrasonic noise idea :)

I said it a few hours ago, it's really well done and edited. I encourage you to develop it further with new evidence that seems to pop up constantly. Those infrasounds might just be the proof we need to persuade the world out there that Shepard has been gradually indoctrinated the whole time (even in ME2 - I posted some pics earlier that suggest just that).

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FellishBeast wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.


Because I'm a compulsive debater. I'm just built that way.


I feel you, man. I used to be like that (and I'm not saying I'm better than you by not being like that anymore), but I just had bad luck with it and it caused me more stress than it was worth. If you can handle, go ahead! Even though I prefer to be more passive on this subject, I think we should stand up for ourselves, and there are a lot of people needlessly ripping on us. They don't have to agree with us, but seriously, they should calm the **** down and stop all the hate, imo.


I can handle it. When it gets frustrating or I know I'm dealing with an individual who I will never get through to, then I just agree to disagree.

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Hey there, ladies and gentlemen. Got some huge chunk of work done today! And to call it a day, I thought I'd check in to see what the latest developments in IT are.

Any new breakthroughs?

#21912
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FFZero wrote...

Okay now I'm really confused and my discovery may actually be nothing.

Here is the analysis of Femshep saying the line "But you're doing it by wiping out organic life."

Posted Image

Now here's male shep saying the exact same line.

Posted Image


:blink:


That makes sense, actually. TSA would do a better job explaining, but what I see is a bassier voice from manshep, which causes analysis noise that increases as it approaches 0. If you go back and look at your Starbinger pics, the noise decreases as it approaches 0, indicating it is most likely intentional. If there is doubt, we can always isolate and pitch shift it to find out for sure. 

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Hey there, ladies and gentlemen. Got some huge chunk of work done today! And to call it a day, I thought I'd check in to see what the latest developments in IT are.

Any new breakthroughs?


You maaay be interested in this:

The Sounds of Possession

Modifié par HellishFiend, 18 juin 2012 - 10:04 .


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Never argue with stupid people, they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experence.

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estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, Batmanturian, I helped you a little in your ongoing discussion!

thanks^_^



No problem.

Do you want me to launch a few nukes against them? ;)

(Sarcasm)


Nah, Jules and I have a passive-aggressive agree-to-disagree relationship... or something.

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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.


Because I'm a compulsive debater. I'm just built that way.




You need some logic in your debate son. This IT thing is dead just like ME3. Nobody cares about this game now. Just stop this madness people.

IT IS OVER...........GAMEOVER...............DONE...........COMPLETE! It or normal ending it's over and the game just sucks. Hell, 90% of the topics aren't even about people enjoying the game. All people do it debate this IT theory or chat about how much the ending sucked. To me this is a sign the game itself sucked ass if nobody is talking about anything else good about it.


You're wrong.  Because we care.

Your troll attempt failed.  Care to try again? 

Or would you like to stay and maybe dig out some evidence to back up your statements?  Because that would be delightful.


For the love of god dude. You IT people ARE THE ONES indoctrinated. You so deeply believe in this theory like it's some higher power. Everywhere you guys look in the game you believe it's some crazy secret from bioware. Now some of you THINK you're hearing low pitches in the game. This crap has got to stop.


You know, I might find this offensive if I didn't know you're a short
guy who hasn't got a girlfriend and blames feminism for it.

Why don't you just go and look at Mass Effect porn of Tali? Come on, off you go!

Modifié par estebanus, 18 juin 2012 - 10:07 .


#21917
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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.


Because I'm a compulsive debater. I'm just built that way.


You need some logic in your debate son. This IT thing is dead just like ME3. Nobody cares about this game now. Just stop this madness people.

IT IS OVER...........GAMEOVER...............DONE...........COMPLETE! It or normal ending it's over and the game just sucks. Hell, 90% of the topics aren't even about people enjoying the game. All people do it debate this IT theory or chat about how much the ending sucked. To me this is a sign the game itself sucked ass if nobody is talking about anything else good about it.


You're wrong.  Because we care.

Your troll attempt failed.  Care to try again? 

Or would you like to stay and maybe dig out some evidence to back up your statements?  Because that would be delightful.


For the love of god dude. You IT people ARE THE ONES indoctrinated. You so deeply believe in this theory like it's some higher power. Everywhere you guys look in the game you believe it's some crazy secret from bioware. Now some of you THINK you're hearing low pitches in the game. This crap has got to stop.

Sweet Jesus! If you're going to mock us, at least do us the courtesy of exerting the smallest effort to understand what we're saying before you do it.

Also, we are just hanging around here in a tiny corner of the internet having a good time. We're not hurting anybody, least of all you, so I am afraid that you get no say whatsoever regarding when this "crap" is going to stop.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, Batmanturian, I helped you a little in your ongoing discussion!

thanks^_^



No problem.

Do you want me to launch a few nukes against them? ;)

(Sarcasm)


Nah, Jules and I have a passive-aggressive agree-to-disagree relationship... or something.



Yeah, I've had a few tangles with him in the past...

#21919
HellishFiend

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paxxton wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Have you seen my video?

The Sounds of Possession

AWESOME Video, man! B)

Mind. Blown.

Great job...from all working on the infrasonic noise idea :)

I said it a few hours ago, it's really well done and edited. I encourage you to develop it further with new evidence that seems to pop up constantly. Those infrasounds might just be the proof we need to persuade the world out there that Shepard has been gradually indoctrinated the whole time (even in ME2 - I posted some pics earlier that suggest just that).


I cant develop it further without disrupting the dramatic flow. The reason it works so well is because it uses the standard exposition -> rising action -> climax -> conclusion format for a dramatic story. If I were to add any more exposition early on, or stick more in later on, I risk compromising the structure and either losing viewers before they finish watching, or ruining my artistic integrity. :D

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Rifneno wrote...

The art book has some... "odd" stuff about TIM's station. There's "early concept" pictures of what things would have looked like if the picture of the dying supergiant behind TIM was not a hologram but rather a real dying star. In the game, it IS a real dying star, not a hologram. Another picture says "this is what the room might have looked like during a violent confrontation." It's a picture of the room where you fight Kei Leng with the panels blasted out to give cover, just like what's actually used in the game. They keep refering to this stuff as having never been used. And this is the best one... they said this room is what it would have looked like right before battling TIM, as Shepard defeats the last of his Cerberus troops. ... It's the keeper tunnel on the hallucination Citadel. And the book implies it was intended as part of TIM's base.


Actually, the star IS a hologram in the game, or at least it's only projected on the wall. You can see the wall panel outlines at the edge of the camera scroll. Moreover the ramp entry into the room has teeth along the edge that match up to grooves you can see behind the greenish wall panels, implying that the whole thing is moble. The bulkheads themselves have those strange handles on them, like they can be moved around. And the ramp is entered through a hallway that looks very much like the Normandy airlock, which would imply that it can be separated.

But It still seems like an overly complicated fake out to have that whole end segment be TIM's virtual reality fun ride.

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estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Also, Batmanturian, I helped you a little in your ongoing discussion!

thanks^_^



No problem.

Do you want me to launch a few nukes against them? ;)

(Sarcasm)


Nah, Jules and I have a passive-aggressive agree-to-disagree relationship... or something.



Yeah, I've had a few tangles with him in the past...


I just try to stay polite and kill with kindness. I'm a nice guy anyway so its my natural skin to slip into. Granted some days I just want to slam people because I've had a bad day and my tolerance level is low:devil:   but those are relatively rare these days.^_^

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

check it. This guy says we're in permanent denial and that:

"The problem with IT is that it has been directly contradicted multiple times by people working on EC/Biowares EC statements."

Dealing with this BS every day, I hope the EC makes it all worth it...


While it seems increasingly unlikely, it could just be Bioware trying to spin things in the other direction, remember IT popularity is at an all time high.


I don't remember any time that they have directly contradicted it flat-out. Otherwise this whole forum would be full of Anti-IT " I told you so, NYEH!!!"


I never said they did flat-out contradict it, because they haven't, but there have been statements that make IT look more unlikely than others. You must have seen them.


Maybe, but I don't remember them. I probably just thought " yeah they're just keeping up the illusion of the ARG " and forgot about them.


hence trying to keep a lid on things.

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Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oerba Yun Fang wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure why you would be in anti-IT threads. All we have now is clumping together with people who have the same opinions to comfort us until this whole wait is over. Convincing other players that IT is plausible won't make it more plausible.


Because I'm a compulsive debater. I'm just built that way.


You need some logic in your debate son. This IT thing is dead just like ME3. Nobody cares about this game now. Just stop this madness people.

IT IS OVER...........GAMEOVER...............DONE...........COMPLETE! It or normal ending it's over and the game just sucks. Hell, 90% of the topics aren't even about people enjoying the game. All people do it debate this IT theory or chat about how much the ending sucked. To me this is a sign the game itself sucked ass if nobody is talking about anything else good about it.


You're wrong.  Because we care.

Your troll attempt failed.  Care to try again? 

Or would you like to stay and maybe dig out some evidence to back up your statements?  Because that would be delightful.


For the love of god dude. You IT people ARE THE ONES indoctrinated. You so deeply believe in this theory like it's some higher power. Everywhere you guys look in the game you believe it's some crazy secret from bioware. Now some of you THINK you're hearing low pitches in the game. This crap has got to stop.


So you would rather just say ME3 sucks, BioWare sucks at writing and there is no point to the game?? Personally IT represents the hope that the game still has life and can continue to provide entertainment for future years to come. If you hate the game so much why do you even hang around on BSN? Or do you just want to start up cr*p by putting down some of your own? If so, I can smell it from here man. Take it somewhere else.

If you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all. <_<

Edit: I'm not trying to be mean, if it came out that way, cause you are entitled to your opinion. Just next time get some good arguements and show us your view point instead of an all out attack. That will only get you negative comments back.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 juin 2012 - 10:22 .


#21924
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HellishFiend wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Okay now I'm really confused and my discovery may actually be nothing.

Here is the analysis of Femshep saying the line "But you're doing it by wiping out organic life."

*snip*

Now here's male shep saying the exact same line.
*snip*

:blink:


That makes sense, actually. TSA would do a better job explaining, but what I see is a bassier voice from manshep, which causes analysis noise that increases as it approaches 0. If you go back and look at your Starbinger pics, the noise decreases as it approaches 0, indicating it is most likely intentional. If there is doubt, we can always isolate and pitch shift it to find out for sure. 


Ah right, I was wondering if that was the case but since I'm a newb when it comes to analysing audio I wasn't sure.

Modifié par FFZero, 18 juin 2012 - 10:14 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Have you seen my video?

The Sounds of Possession

AWESOME Video, man! B)

Mind. Blown.

Great job...from all working on the infrasonic noise idea :)

I said it a few hours ago, it's really well done and edited. I encourage you to develop it further with new evidence that seems to pop up constantly. Those infrasounds might just be the proof we need to persuade the world out there that Shepard has been gradually indoctrinated the whole time (even in ME2 - I posted some pics earlier that suggest just that).


I cant develop it further without disrupting the dramatic flow. The reason it works so well is because it uses the standard exposition -> rising action -> climax -> conclusion format for a dramatic story. If I were to add any more exposition early on, or stick more in later on, I risk compromising the structure and either losing viewers before they finish watching, or ruining my artistic integrity. :D

I that case you might consider making a sequel one day. Posted Image 

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juin 2012 - 10:16 .