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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 
Image IPB

I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.


Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.


Except that in ME1, the tower extends in the other direction.

This makes it look like the Catalyst docks at the top of the tower:

Image IPB

Modifié par RealStyli, 18 mai 2012 - 12:01 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 
Image IPB

I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.


Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.


Oh yeah, btw, when that whole construction is done and the CruCit assumes position, it looks like a flower -- as we all know -- that fires it's load of RGB space magic out in all the galaxy.
So we had: dead plantation, green plantation and flourishing plantation in form of a gigantic flower made out of metal.

Thusly, we come full circle with the plant/nature theme.

The movie file of the Citadel completely opening is in fact named End02_Cit_Flower.bik

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RealStyli wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 
Image IPB

I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.


Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.


Except that in ME1, the tower extends in the other direction.

This makes it look like the Catalyst docks at the top of the tower:

Image IPB

Uhm no, the Tower always pointed to the center of the Citadel and does so in both screens in your post.

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RealStyli wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 I just had a thought (I'm sure it has been addressed before but excuse me for not looking through thousands of posts), where exactly is the secret area on the citadel.
I've been looking at this pic on the Wiki: 
Image IPB

I don't see where it could be. At first, I wrongly assumed it was somewhere near the Citadel's Presidium but that's at the other end of the Citadel to where the Catalyst connects. So is the secret area at the end of one of the arms?

Of course, I.T. explains it simply by saying that it doesn't actually exist but I think the best way to support I.T. is to debunk the literal theories.


Yeah, I too was trying to figure out where the frak the Crucible connected.  It almost looked like it connected from behind, 'cause otherwise it would have speared itself on the Presidium Tower.

The Ring you can see in the inside is the Presidium. This is there the Crucible docks. The "hidden" area is the bottom of the Presidium Tower.


Except that in ME1, the tower extends in the other direction.

This makes it look like the Catalyst docks at the top of the tower:

Image IPB

Another design oversight then. Or hallucination/dream/indoctrination. A square is not a triangle.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 mai 2012 - 12:03 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm no, the Tower always pointed to the center of the Citadel and does so in both screens in your post.



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 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

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RealStyli wrote...

 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

You didn't link any video but I can assure you it doesn't what you say and you are in error. Yes the Wards are lighting up but they face away from the Crucible at any time as does the tower.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 18 mai 2012 - 12:10 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

You didn't link any video but I can assure you it doesn't what you say and you are in error. Yes the Wards are lighting up but they face away from the Crucible at any time as does the tower.


Megumi! Look at the edges of the Citadel arms. In the first picture they are triangular whereas in the second they are squarey. But still the Presidium ring is visible in both pictures.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 mai 2012 - 12:13 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

You didn't link any video but I can assure you it doesn't what you say and you are in error. Yes the Wards are lighting up but they face away from the Crucible at any time as does the tower.


I meant to (thought I did) link to this:

check out 06:50

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Arrogance and ignorance is the spawn of all evil... and it is running deep out there in the forums.

I don't think I'll be discussing the IT outside of this thread anytime soon!

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

You didn't link any video but I can assure you it doesn't what you say and you are in error. Yes the Wards are lighting up but they face away from the Crucible at any time as does the tower.


Megumi! Look at the edges of the Citadel arms. In the first picture they are triangular whereas in the second they are squarey. But still the Presidium ring is visible in both pictures.


WOW... I had assumed that the Catalyst was entering through the other end but you're right, that's the back. I didn't spot the ring!

There's some serious design liberties being taken between the docking of the catalyst and when it fires.

Modifié par RealStyli, 18 mai 2012 - 12:18 .


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It looks to me like the Crucible enters the Citadel at the top but is docked on the bottom. ??????

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estebanus wrote...

Arrogance and ignorance is the spawn of all evil... and it is running deep out there in the forums.

I don't think I'll be discussing the IT outside of this thread anytime soon!

So you did actually venture into the outside reaches of BSN. Did you stop by the UNIT thread? Image IPB

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arrogance and ignorance is the spawn of all evil... and it is running deep out there in the forums.

I don't think I'll be discussing the IT outside of this thread anytime soon!

So you did actually venture into the outside reaches of BSN. Did you stop by the UNIT thread? Image IPB



Nope, I was talking in this one:
http://social.biowar...538/11#12114126

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

You didn't link any video but I can assure you it doesn't what you say and you are in error. Yes the Wards are lighting up but they face away from the Crucible at any time as does the tower.


Megumi! Look at the edges of the Citadel arms. In the first picture they are triangular whereas in the second they are squarey. But still the Presidium ring is visible in both pictures.

That is because the triangle caps haven't fully retracted in the first picture. They are on the other side of the arms in the second and therefor not visible.

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arrogance and ignorance is the spawn of all evil... and it is running deep out there in the forums.

I don't think I'll be discussing the IT outside of this thread anytime soon!

So you did actually venture into the outside reaches of BSN. Did you stop by the UNIT thread? Image IPB


No she was reading the thread where Balance and I were trying to tell an idiot named Ji99saw that IT isn't fan fiction, but a literary interpretation and then he started telling us we should believe the ending DLC message. I seriously think it must be a 13 yr old kid....

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 mai 2012 - 12:20 .


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Big G13 wrote...

It looks to me like the Crucible enters the Citadel at the top but is docked on the bottom. ??????


CRUCIBLE... I've just noticed, I've been typing CATALYST when I meant that... D'oh.... Sorry, it's late here... I feel like such a n00b! Too many C's!

Yeah, I'm confused about the architecture of the Citadel now

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Did anyone ever think of Dead Space 2 and the final boss fight with Nicole in Isaac's mind when thinking of ME3's ending

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BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arrogance and ignorance is the spawn of all evil... and it is running deep out there in the forums.

I don't think I'll be discussing the IT outside of this thread anytime soon!

So you did actually venture into the outside reaches of BSN. Did you stop by the UNIT thread? Image IPB


No she was reading the thread where Balance and I were trying to tell an idiot named Ji99saw that IT isn't fan fiction, but a literary analysis and then he started telling us we should believe the ending DLC message. I seriously think it must be a 13 yr old kid....




Uhmmm... I'm a male, just so you know...

I'm just a Femshep fan, which is why I'm using this profile pic!^_^


Also, that guy really does argue like an idiot!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

 It's almost as if the Citadel did a complete 180 degree flip between when the Catalyst docks and when it fires. 

This is just a quick video search I did but, if you look around 06:50, you'll see when the Citadel/Catalyst fires that the Citadel appears to be facing the opposite direction with the tower facing outwards and what I assume is the wards lighting up before firing.

You didn't link any video but I can assure you it doesn't what you say and you are in error. Yes the Wards are lighting up but they face away from the Crucible at any time as does the tower.


Megumi! Look at the edges of the Citadel arms. In the first picture they are triangular whereas in the second they are squarey. But still the Presidium ring is visible in both pictures.

That is because the triangle caps haven't fully retracted in the first picture. They are on the other side of the arms in the second and therefor not visible.

You know, that might be right. Image IPB But the caps are also visible when the  Citadel opens during Shepard's ascension to the Catalyst room (or those are not the same?). That view is from an opposite direction than that the Crucible comes from.

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RealStyli wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

It looks to me like the Crucible enters the Citadel at the top but is docked on the bottom. ??????


CRUCIBLE... I've just noticed, I've been typing CATALYST when I meant that... D'oh.... Sorry, it's late here... I feel like such a n00b! Too many C's!

Yeah, I'm confused about the architecture of the Citadel now


I had the same problem earlier.  To me, it looked like the Crucible must have switched sides based on where it connected.  It looked like it came in at the front, but it ended up connected to the back.  Simply put, what the frak? :blink:

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Oh, crap...

I've just noticed that it's 2:30 AM here, and that I have to be out of the house by 7:00 AM!

I'm going to bed now, goodnight!

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UrgedDuke wrote...

Did anyone ever think of Dead Space 2 and the final boss fight with Nicole in Isaac's mind when thinking of ME3's ending


Actually, that pretty cool.  I love that idea.  

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RealStyli wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

It looks to me like the Crucible enters the Citadel at the top but is docked on the bottom. ??????


CRUCIBLE... I've just noticed, I've been typing CATALYST when I meant that... D'oh.... Sorry, it's late here... I feel like such a n00b! Too many C's!

Yeah, I'm confused about the architecture of the Citadel now

We knew what you meant.:happy:
Gotta run to work. Hold the line y'all.

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Hi guys, this is my first post and I want to ask some questions to you IT enthusiasts.

1.- The Kid character is presented to us in a very peculiar way. This airship he is playing with... it looks real, it sounds real, but something is off with it. Then immediately is revealed that is false, and the kid laughs. Pay attention to it, the ship that comes after is not the same, and does not sound the same; the sound is really clear and fade off abruptly. Could this be a clue?.

2.- Legion to me is like a geth shepard. In ranooch he insist, and convince us, that uploading the reaper upgrades is the right thing ( like saren did try ), but guys, this is basically the syntesis ending, backwards ( synthetic to organic ) but it is synthesis. is this a foreshadow in game to the synthesis option ? ( in case players didnt get to play ME1 ) Jessica chobot warns you about this ( what if the reapers just take control of the geth once again ) and shepard ignores her in blind confidence.

3.- The reaper in ranooch, he mentions harbinger and then his conversation gets really interesting.
- You represent chaos, we represent order bla bla – the same nonsense as the kid !, but shepards responds like the shepard we all know “I have a better idea, We destroy you and live our lives in peace” and then the reaper responds “ A philosophy reminiscent of the Quarians “ This brings an interesting question to me : what if the reapers job is to help the synthetics of that cycle wipe out organic life, or to do it when they feel syntethics are too pacific and organics will prevail ? and this is what they call order. Considering 2 things : where are all the synthetics from all the past cycles ? ( javik mentions syntethics in his cycle ), and what if harbinger was a syntethic build from organics to harvest other organics in war and he got out of control and wiped them out all ? And this is why for him synthetics killing organics is the order.( Lots of speculation ).

4 .- what about Anderson taking the destroy option ? is the kid (harbinger) telling you that Anderson rejected indoctrination ?. Remember Anderson is a top military leader, and in game EDI mentions the reapers are indoctrinating resistance leaders.

5.- Mordin. His most important line in this game. “Anyone else would have gotten it wrong”. It got to be Shepard, anyone else would have gotten indoctrinated.

The IT theory is so fascinating.