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[UrgentArchengel]

@Destructorlio
Yeah, I agree. Anyone is entitled to an opinion, I am fine with them not liking IT, but the unnecessary hate is ridiculous. All the recent Anti-IT threads just seem like Hate Speech, and picket groups. It's craziness. Lol.

[Auralius Carolus]

Destructorlio wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Wow, I've missed...like 30 pages! Something happen or are we just feeling more talkative today?

I'll just leave this here:

The Sounds of Possession

Required watching and the biggest piece of new IT evidence in... weeks, at least. 

Codex: "Indoctrination is caused by infrasonic sound."

Bioware: "Here's some infrasonic sound in the dreams. Clue here! Big honking clue right here!"

So, we have symptoms of EMF exposure throughout the dreams, with infrasonic frequencies hidden in the files... that leaves ultrasound. That'll be a hard one, given that sensitivity to ultrasound is far more variable and far less subtle.

[HellishFiend]

RaidShock wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
I wouldnt expect him to. The most I'd hope for is that he forwards it to the amazing sound engineers and storywriters that came up with the idea. 

And by the way, thank you for being amiable with your skepticism regarding IT. Too many others decide to get angry over it and take it out on us, for some reason. 

Yeah I mean I was hoping he could have at least confirmed that the presence of infrasound was intentional, but I suppose that would veer too close to a confirmation/denial of IT depending on how he answered.

It's no problem, I like to keep an open mind. I strongly admire the amount of work you guys have put in finding clues and putting evidence together, and there have been more than a few occasions when I've said, "Hmmm..." But at the end of the day, I can't bring myself to believe it's true. I don't really have any evidence, just more of a gut feeling really. But here's to hoping IT is true because you guys deserve a pay off for all the effort you guys have put in(and it would make the game a lot better too)! 

Yeah, they havent spoken up on the validity of any evidence so far, and I dont think they'd start now. 

Besides, we dont need him to confirm it, because we did that ourselves with the pitch shifting. 

And thats cool, I totally understand your reasoning for being skeptical. The angry people mostly just dont understand the reasons why we're here. I cant speak for everyone, but I'm personally here because I love symbolism, powerful storytelling, deep plots, videogames, and speculating. So this is like a dream situation for me since I get to enjoy all 5 simultaneously. :happy:

[HellishFiend]

Destructorlio wrote...

Codex: "Indoctrination is caused by infrasonic sound."

Bioware: "Here's some infrasonic sound in the dreams. Clue here! Big honking clue right here!"

LOL, I love your paraphrasing on that. But literalists will do this with it:

Codex: "Indoctrination is caused by infrasonic sound."

Bioware: "Here's some infrasonic sound in the dreams. Oops, that was just a mistake though. Ignore it. It's PTSD, and we'll tweet you from our resort on Maui." 

[monrapias]

The sound of possession surely was an interesting thing to look at.

I've been a believer since day one, because I want the game to have a good ending, a good ending doesn't have to have shepard surviving, but it needs to explain things and make sense, and the only way the ending we have now does make sense, is with the IT

[FellishBeast]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

[UrgentArchengel]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, they havent spoken up on the validity of any evidence so far, and I dont think they'd start now. 

Besides, we dont need him to confirm it, because we did that ourselves with the pitch shifting. 

And thats cool, I totally understand your reasoning for being skeptical. The angry people mostly just dont understand the reasons why we're here. I cant speak for everyone, but I'm personally here because I love symbolism, powerful storytelling, deep plots, videogames, and speculating. So this is like a dream situation for me since I get to enjoy all 5 simultaneously. :happy:

I guess You and I have more in common then just liking IT.  Spectacular!!!!

[HellishFiend]

Destructorlio wrote...

So... the frustrating this about this friend is that he is an author, he is very interested in the craft of writing... but is utterly uninterested in subtext, implication, ambiguity in narrative, metaphor as communication... it's very frustrating to me, because those are the things that interest me most in fiction. He is basically going to dismiss IT because it's not explicit... but that's the point!

At the risk of sounding harsh, with those limitations, I have a hard time believing that your friend would be able to publish anything targeted to an audience over the age of 12.

[Nightingale]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Just listening to that podcast with Jennifer Hale... haven't reached the IT question yet, but amusingly, she did say:

Has it only been a month? Wow. You know what's so crazy, that job... crawled up inside of me so hard...I would be inside that universe inside my dreams, because it was like, 7000 lines, session after session. It crawled up inside me, in my subconscious, in my dreams I would be inside that universe and I really... I really got a chance to grow as an actor so much during that session because when you... for six, five years, you grow with them, it's like being on a series for that long, you can take the character to... new depths, new places- an incredible opportunity. I was a little in denial about the end of it. They work so hard.

Not IT related, but I was amused by the dreams bit.

Hale seemed just as surprised as anyone to be called back in for the EC, and then she repeatedly flipped out over the NDA stuff she couldnt talk about. If thats not a powerful non-lore related clue, I'm not sure what is. People dont get excited over space magic. 

I wasn't surprised a bit...


Bioware Edmonton, Late March 2012-

"Mr. Hudson, sir! I think you should have a look outside..."
"What is it George? Twitter's on fire, we had to reset our Facebook page and we're doing all we can to keep the peace in the forums!"
"They're right outside! And they have cupcakes..."

Lol at cupcakes bit
As for her freaking out, I don't believe I heard that, actually. I know Meer mentioned something about it but not Hale. Anyone have a link to that interview? Also, since someone mentioned the bad ending to Arrival, I've never actually seen that either (I know, my ingorance is showing) so does anyone have a link to that too please?

monrapias wrote...
Don't worry about it, I've missed over 800 pages.  Didn't know someone made a new topic after the old one got closed.

I think I missed several hundred too for the same reason. Not quite 800, but enough to have missed quite a bit, apparently.

[Andromidius]

Destructorlio wrote...

So... the frustrating this about this friend is that he is an author, he is very interested in the craft of writing... but is utterly uninterested in subtext, implication, ambiguity in narrative, metaphor as communication... it's very frustrating to me, because those are the things that interest me most in fiction. He is basically going to dismiss IT because it's not explicit... but that's the point!

No offense to your friend, but I doubt I'd find his stories very interesting if he has that kind of attitude to literary narratives.

A good mystery needs to actually be mysterous after all!  And Mass Effect was all about the mystery (and the heroism, badassry and relationships).

[Taco Del Marr]

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

[byne]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

I knew Anderson was born in London before this game came out, so I'm fairly sure his being born in London was established in one of the books, and not him going crazy due to indoctrination

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

So... the frustrating this about this friend is that he is an author, he is very interested in the craft of writing... but is utterly uninterested in subtext, implication, ambiguity in narrative, metaphor as communication... it's very frustrating to me, because those are the things that interest me most in fiction. He is basically going to dismiss IT because it's not explicit... but that's the point!

At the risk of sounding harsh, with those limitations, I have a hard time believing that your friend would be able to publish anything targeted to an audience over the age of 12.

Writing is an art, which at it's finest, (IMHO), reads as water flows; a skilled author will show you ripples in the stream, but present them in such a fashion that you will all but ignore them until you are within range of the waterfall, at which point all becomes clear. With such narrative plays, "aiming" too high or too low can completely destroy the story.

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 19 juin 2012 - 02:11 .

[HellishFiend]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

The amount of possibilities regarding the Anderson/Coats situation (and accompanying points/counterpoints) are simply staggering. It would almost need it's own topic. 

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

So... the frustrating this about this friend is that he is an author, he is very interested in the craft of writing... but is utterly uninterested in subtext, implication, ambiguity in narrative, metaphor as communication... it's very frustrating to me, because those are the things that interest me most in fiction. He is basically going to dismiss IT because it's not explicit... but that's the point!

At the risk of sounding harsh, with those limitations, I have a hard time believing that your friend would be able to publish anything targeted to an audience over the age of 12.

We really need to stop quoting the same things!

[HellishFiend]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

So... the frustrating this about this friend is that he is an author, he is very interested in the craft of writing... but is utterly uninterested in subtext, implication, ambiguity in narrative, metaphor as communication... it's very frustrating to me, because those are the things that interest me most in fiction. He is basically going to dismiss IT because it's not explicit... but that's the point!

At the risk of sounding harsh, with those limitations, I have a hard time believing that your friend would be able to publish anything targeted to an audience over the age of 12.

Writing is an art, which at it's finest, (IMHO), reads as water flows; a skilled author will show you ripples in the stream, but present them in such a fashion that you will all but ignore them until you are within range of the waterfall, at which point all becomes clear. With such narrative plays, "aiming" too high or too low can complete destroy the story.

Well said. 

[FellishBeast]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

Eh, just realized the codex confirms that he was born in London.. :/

[paxxton]

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

Eh, just realized the codex confirms that he was born in London.. :/

The Codex is obviously indoctrinated too.  

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 02:13 .

[FellishBeast]

byne wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

I knew Anderson was born in London before this game came out, so I'm fairly sure his being born in London was established in one of the books, and not him going crazy due to indoctrination

Yeah, I just realized it. It just made so much sense, with his alzheimers and all that. Oh well. One more speculation put to bed. Must. Find. More.

[Taco Del Marr]

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

Eh, just realized the codex confirms that he was born in London.. :/

Well mystery solved.

[FellishBeast]

paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I don't if someone has mentioned this yet, but if Coats is indoctrinated as well as Anderson in a slighter exten,t could the reason Anderson claims he was born in London be a result of him having a memory swap with Coats similiar to the one we see in Mass Effect 2 on the direlect reaper involving the two Cerberus scientists?

Reposting this in case someone missed this.

This would be a really cool twist, but I'm wondering when Anderson first mentions he was born in London. Does anyone remember? If it was after the intro, I think this theory is plausible.

I think he mentions that he was born in london during the second half of the game at some point when he mentions the reapers are focusing on London.

Eh, just realized the codex confirms that he was born in London.. :/

The Codex is obviously indoctrinated too.  

[paxxton]

I think what you all trying to say is that the second mention of Anderson being born in London is a hidden message. The real Anderson is still there and tries to communicate with Shepard but the indoctrination doesn't allow him to speak straight so he has to resort to speaking figuratively.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[FellishBeast]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

Well mystery solved.

Yeah, but that was a really good catch. I think we should be connecting instances from ME1 and ME2 to ME3 and compare situations.

The "memory switch" still makes more sense than than Anderson being born in London to me.

[FellishBeast]

paxxton wrote...

I think what you all trying to say is that the second mention of Anderson being born in London is a hidden message. The real Anderson is still there and tries to communicate with Shepard but the indoctrination doesn't allow him to speak straight so he has to resort to speaking figuratively.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here, but I do think that second mention is rather fishy. Like Manhattan's Chinatown fishy.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I think what you all trying to say is that the second mention of Anderson being born in London is a hidden message. The real Anderson is still there and tries to communicate with Shepard but the indoctrination doesn't allow him to speak straight so he has to resort to speaking figuratively.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here, but I do think that second mention is rather fishy. Like Manhattan's Chinatown fishy.

Basically what paxxton is saying is that we feel that it means something. And I agree with that. The possibilities are quite numerous. To start off, if we assume it means something, it could be the good part of Anderson trying to reach out, or a slip up of some kind from the new, Reaper doomsday device version of Anderson. From there, it completely branches out into a tree of different scenarios. And we have little evidence to use with which to narrow it down. The only thing we'd be able to do is list out all the possibilities. We'd never be able to single one out as the most likely.