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[paxxton]

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If he's been around Coats for a signifigant time or around people Coats also indoctrinated, then the Anderson we knew is already dead. If you think about it, the second we found the infrasonic signiture coming off Coats is the moment we should have known that Anderson was already gone. If you think it would ****** of the players... think how much it would ****** off Shepard (providing Shep doesn't become indoctrinated).

Yes, but this entire conversation is based around the point that Anderson's character needs vindication and closure in order to turncoat at the very end of the story.  paxxton seems to be saying that he doesnt think that vindication and closure is necessary in order to use his character that way because it would make sense in the lore.  That's narrative suicide. 

I agree with you. Anderson should attempt to break free again at Shepard's bidding through renegade or paragon but instead of shooting himself, he should hand the gun to Shep and have Shep do it. He's the kind of person who would want a friend to do it instead of cowardly doing it himself like Saren. I think that moment, with Shep in tears having to shoot his mentor while Anderson is still lucid, would be very powerful.

That would be beautiful. Tragic and heartbreaking, but beautiful. I think the whole idea of Anderson being indoctrinated would be a really...poetic, I guess? I'm not sure what the word is I'm looking for (doesn't help that I'm watching South Park as I write this) but yeah. Something awesome.

I agree, it would fit well with the other very well done sad moments of ME3. I could definitly see Anderson try to shoot Shep with the camera the same as Saren shooting Nihlus, but then either Shep stops him, or Anderson hesitates. That'd be pretty cool, especially since we know Anderson has a Carnifex (!) like Saren did there, and because of his history with Saren.

oh wow, that would be cool. The gun goes click. and Garrus says " I forgot to mention that I removed the ammo from your gun, Admiral. " I can see Garrus doing that since Garrus is perceptive and might notice something is up. Alternately, if you have Kasumi, she could do it too and end up a hero. Kasumi could do it easily.

[UrgentArchengel]

Oh Hellish. Your such a fiend. Lol.

Anyway, your right though. It's really funny too. Almost hypocritical of the Anti-ITists to use circumstantial evidence.

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

[HellishFiend]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Oh Hellish. Your such a fiend. Lol.

Anyway, your right though. It's really funny too. Almost hypocritical of the Anti-ITists to use circumstantial evidence.

I'm generally a very nice guy but I will live up to my namesake if you accuse me of something while employing copious levels of hypocrisy. 

[Dendio1]

KevShep wrote...



Regardless of the difference in Renagde Shepard's eyes and TIMs, there is a very odd similarities in both synthesis and controls endings...



Also if Shep picked synthesis then why would his eyes turn like TIMs and not green like everyone else?

The eye evidence of indoctrination has already been disproven.

TIM= Reaper Tech Eyes ( the original reaper artifact imprinted the blue hue and features to his eyes)

Shepard= Cerberus Tech Eyes, until melding with reaper tech in control or synthesis where it becomes Reaper Tech eyes

Edi=Reaper Tech Eyes ( reaper tech is what made her functional after the Luna base incident)

Benezia= Normal Eyes. She's indoctrinated, but doesn't have any special Tech

Codex never mentions eye features being a tell tale sign of indoctrination.

He has close-cropped silver-grey hair with "steely blue" eyes which appear to be prosthetic. -Mass effect wiki

The special eyes are the result of them being infused with technology, not indoctrination effects on the mind.

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 juin 2012 - 04:01 .

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Like I said it was a small hole, but the video got me thinking about the Final Hours app and how it mentions Shepard's losing control, aka the player losing control of Shepard, which means that even before the game came out, they clearly had Indoctrination in mind when it came to the plot in ME3's story.

If this is the case, then could it also be possible that they left this infrasound at certain points in the game to affect the previous plot point they were planning to use in ME3 before they determined it was too difficult to implement the Shepard-losing-control part of the game. So it could be possible that they simply didn't remove the infrasound when they re-did the ending, especially since most speakers can't emit it and humans can't hear it anyway. why not just leave it in rather than re-record the sound/music?

like I said, it is a small, speculative hole, but I felt it needed to be addressed, so it could be properly discussed rather than being taken and ran with by a troll and/or anti-ITer

Seriously? That's the best they could do? I am disappoint.

That "hole" is entirely circumstantial and ultimately baseless.

It relies on a conclusion based on a misinterpretation of the wording used in the final hours app.

Theyre being hypocrites. Think about it.

Theyre trying to shoot the evidence down by using circumstantial evidence based on a misinterpretation.
They accuse us of employing circumstantial evidence that, while circumstantial, is based entirely on precedent, lore, and context. 

Theyre trying to shoot down a strong piece of evidence by using a weaker version of that same type of evidence that is based on a misinterpretation.

I was very careful to be neutral and open minded in the wording in my video, but if theyre going to try to shoot it down with that, you can paste this message to them and tell them to suck on their own hypocrisy for all I care. 

[FellishBeast]

BleedingUranium wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If he's been around Coats for a signifigant time or around people Coats also indoctrinated, then the Anderson we knew is already dead. If you think about it, the second we found the infrasonic signiture coming off Coats is the moment we should have known that Anderson was already gone. If you think it would ****** of the players... think how much it would ****** off Shepard (providing Shep doesn't become indoctrinated).

Yes, but this entire conversation is based around the point that Anderson's character needs vindication and closure in order to turncoat at the very end of the story.  paxxton seems to be saying that he doesnt think that vindication and closure is necessary in order to use his character that way because it would make sense in the lore.  That's narrative suicide. 

I agree with you. Anderson should attempt to break free again at Shepard's bidding through renegade or paragon but instead of shooting himself, he should hand the gun to Shep and have Shep do it. He's the kind of person who would want a friend to do it instead of cowardly doing it himself like Saren. I think that moment, with Shep in tears having to shoot his mentor while Anderson is still lucid, would be very powerful.

That would be beautiful. Tragic and heartbreaking, but beautiful. I think the whole idea of Anderson being indoctrinated would be a really...poetic, I guess? I'm not sure what the word is I'm looking for (doesn't help that I'm watching South Park as I write this) but yeah. Something awesome.

I agree, it would fit well with the other very well done sad moments of ME3. I could definitly see Anderson try to shoot Shep with the camera the same as Saren shooting Nihlus (Saren's mentor-like relationship to Nihlus is very similar to Anderson and Shep's), but then either Shep stops him, or Anderson hesitates. That'd be pretty cool, especially since we know Anderson has a Carnifex (!) like Saren did there, and because of his history with Saren.

That would be so awesome. Especially using the same camera angle. Maybe Anderson turns to shoot Shep while his/her back is turned, and then Garrus or someone (definitely Garrus) warns you and tackles him or something. Then you break through and get him lucid again and then you have that decision of how you deal with him.

Aaaah, some of these ideas get me so excited and then depressed when I realize they probably won't happen. I wish WE wrote ME3 x]

[BatmanTurian]

Dendio1 wrote...

KevShep wrote...



Regardless of the difference in Renagde Shepard's eyes and TIMs, there is a very odd similarities in both synthesis and controls endings...



Also if Shep picked synthesis then why would his eyes turn like TIMs and not green like everyone else?

The eye evidence of indoctrination has already been disproven.

TIM= Reaper Tech Eyes ( the original reaper artifact imprinted the blue hue and features to his eyes)

Shepard= Cerberus Tech Eyes, until melding with reaper tech in control or synthesis where it becomes Reaper Tech eyes

Edi=Reaper Tech Eyes ( reaper tech is what made her functional after the Luna base incident)

Benezia= Normal Eyes. She's indoctrinated, but doesn't have any special Tech

Codex never mentions eye features being a tell tale sign of indoctrination.

He has close-cropped silver-grey hair with "steely blue" eyes which appear to be prosthetic. -Mass effect wiki

The special eyes are the result of them being infused with technology, not indoctrination effects on the mind.

Reaper technology that indoctrinates.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 04:03 .

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

[UrgentArchengel]

@Dendio
If the endings actually happened, then yes, you'd be absolutely correct. But if it's in Shepard's Mind though...well, then it'd may mean something bad has just happened.

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Like I said it was a small hole, but the video got me thinking about the Final Hours app and how it mentions Shepard's losing control, aka the player losing control of Shepard, which means that even before the game came out, they clearly had Indoctrination in mind when it came to the plot in ME3's story.

If this is the case, then could it also be possible that they left this infrasound at certain points in the game to affect the previous plot point they were planning to use in ME3 before they determined it was too difficult to implement the Shepard-losing-control part of the game. So it could be possible that they simply didn't remove the infrasound when they re-did the ending, especially since most speakers can't emit it and humans can't hear it anyway. why not just leave it in rather than re-record the sound/music?

like I said, it is a small, speculative hole, but I felt it needed to be addressed, so it could be properly discussed rather than being taken and ran with by a troll and/or anti-ITer

Seriously? That's the best they could do? I am disappoint.

That "hole" is entirely circumstantial and ultimately baseless.

It relies on a conclusion based on a misinterpretation of the wording used in the final hours app.

Theyre being hypocrites. Think about it.

Theyre trying to shoot the evidence down by using circumstantial evidence based on a misinterpretation.
They accuse us of employing circumstantial evidence that, while circumstantial, is based entirely on precedent, lore, and context. 

Theyre trying to shoot down a strong piece of evidence by using a weaker version of that same type of evidence that is based on a misinterpretation.

I was very careful to be neutral and open minded in the wording in my video, but if theyre going to try to shoot it down with that, you can paste this message to them and tell them to suck on their own hypocrisy for all I care. 

I thought of this myself actually, so...yah... thanks...for that  lol

It is only a small speculative hole that they could take advantage of, is what I meant.  And I agree, it IS very circumstantial since it really is just based on wording.  I was trying to convey that if I thought of it then they were probably gonna think of this too and try and cram it down our throats, thought I'd bring it up now so we could defend it later,

So no need get mad, it was just a thought that came to mind and I wanted to address it before we got bombarded by trolls thinking it would be their new "IT-killer"  or as Epyon liked to say "IT-buster"

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

bow chicka wow wow

[KevShep]

Dendio1 wrote...

KevShep wrote...



Regardless of the difference in Renagde Shepard's eyes and TIMs, there is a very odd similarities in both synthesis and controls endings...



Also if Shep picked synthesis then why would his eyes turn like TIMs and not green like everyone else?

The eye evidence of indoctrination has already been disproven.

TIM= Reaper Tech Eyes ( the original reaper artifact imprinted the blue hue and features to his eyes)

Shepard= Cerberus Tech Eyes, until melding with reaper tech in control or synthesis where it becomes Reaper Tech eyes

Edi=Reaper Tech Eyes ( reaper tech is what made her functional after the Luna base incident)

Benezia= Normal Eyes. She's indoctrinated, but doesn't have any special Tech

Codex never mentions eye features being a tell tale sign of indoctrination.

He has close-cropped silver-grey hair with "steely blue" eyes which appear to be prosthetic. -Mass effect wiki

The special eyes are the result of them being infused with technology, not indoctrination effects on the mind.

your not hearing me right.

The eyes are not indoctrination I know, they are symbolic of indoctrination.  Its a way to let the gamer know that something is wrong...speculations!

Modifié par KevShep, 19 juin 2012 - 04:05 .

[UrgentArchengel]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

Or getting really drunk in Purgatory.

[TJBartlemus]

This is creepy. The way Saren and TIM commit suicide are too similar!! They even use the same gun!!!

http://www.youtube.c...Jo3EzZZk#t=172s

http://www.youtube.c...Yjmaag_0#t=316s

I found it strange that they both say that the Reapers are too strong...and that they tried....

Edit: Of course this has been said before but still....

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 19 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[Big Bad]

FellishBeast wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

prettz wrote...

question
is the Derelict Reaper aware or is it the equivalent of brain dead?

The Derelict reaper isn't brain dead but it's not aware. I would say it's in a coma.


Example: "A dead God can dream."

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange aeons even death may die." 

I realize that's a Lovecraft quote, but it's also quoted in a song that is now stuck in my head.  Except, I can't remember what the song is, and I can only remember that one line.  AHHHH!

*madness ensues*

[paxxton]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

Or getting really drunk in Purgatory.

If she's still there she's dead. No getting laid for her.

[FellishBeast]

I'm continuing a playthrough. I'm at the beginning of the Rannoch missions. Anything particular I should keep an eye out for?

Just talked to Anderson, and he mentioned that "something big" was going down in London. It bothers me that we really never get an explanation about what that "something" is. Unless its the Reapers building a magical space trampoline. I feel like it is something more...

[BatmanTurian]

interestingly they are talking about indoctrination in the " thematically revolting" thread

Not of Shepard mind you.... no no that couldn't happen, right? Impossible. It could only happen to lesser beings like Turian scientists studying reaper tech to make thanix cannons.

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

Or getting really drunk in Purgatory.

If she's still there she's dead. No getting laid for her.

She ain't dead. Her and Bailey probably teamed up to defend the citadel.

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Like I said it was a small hole, but the video got me thinking about the Final Hours app and how it mentions Shepard's losing control, aka the player losing control of Shepard, which means that even before the game came out, they clearly had Indoctrination in mind when it came to the plot in ME3's story.

If this is the case, then could it also be possible that they left this infrasound at certain points in the game to affect the previous plot point they were planning to use in ME3 before they determined it was too difficult to implement the Shepard-losing-control part of the game. So it could be possible that they simply didn't remove the infrasound when they re-did the ending, especially since most speakers can't emit it and humans can't hear it anyway. why not just leave it in rather than re-record the sound/music?

like I said, it is a small, speculative hole, but I felt it needed to be addressed, so it could be properly discussed rather than being taken and ran with by a troll and/or anti-ITer

Seriously? That's the best they could do? I am disappoint.

That "hole" is entirely circumstantial and ultimately baseless.

It relies on a conclusion based on a misinterpretation of the wording used in the final hours app.

Theyre being hypocrites. Think about it.

Theyre trying to shoot the evidence down by using circumstantial evidence based on a misinterpretation.
They accuse us of employing circumstantial evidence that, while circumstantial, is based entirely on precedent, lore, and context. 

Theyre trying to shoot down a strong piece of evidence by using a weaker version of that same type of evidence that is based on a misinterpretation.

I was very careful to be neutral and open minded in the wording in my video, but if theyre going to try to shoot it down with that, you can paste this message to them and tell them to suck on their own hypocrisy for all I care. 

I thought of this myself actually, so...yah... thanks...for that  lol

It is only a small speculative hole that they could take advantage of, is what I meant.  And I agree, it IS very circumstantial since it really is just based on wording.  I was trying to convey that if I thought of it then they were probably gonna think of this too and try and cram it down our throats, thought I'd bring it up now so we could defend it later,

So no need get mad, it was just a thought that came to mind and I wanted to address it before we got bombarded by trolls thinking it would be their new "IT-killer"  or as Epyon liked to say "IT-buster"

No, you're wrong about that. They can't take advantage of it without invalidating THEIR ENTIRE CASE AGAINST IT. The only thing they throw at IT is the fact that most of it is circumstantial. Thus, if they use ANY form of circumstantial evidence to try and shoot it down? And if on top of that, their circumstantial evidence is based on a MISINTERPRETATION? Ludicrous. 

The main reason it gets me upset is because I took so much care with the wording of my video to not come off as offensive to literalists. If they try to reject it with that, there may be no hope for them whatsoever. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 19 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[BleedingUranium]

TJBartlemus wrote...

This is creepy. The way Saren and TIM commit suicide are too similar!! They even use the same gun!!!

http://www.youtube.c...Jo3EzZZk#t=172s

http://www.youtube.c...Yjmaag_0#t=316s

I found it strange that they both say that the Reapers are too strong...and that they tried....

Edit: Of course this has been said before but still....

Is that the Paragon Interrupt noise when TIM kills himself?

[UrgentArchengel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

interestingly they are talking about indoctrination in the " thematically revolting" thread

Not of Shepard mind you.... no no that couldn't happen, right? Impossible. It could only happen to lesser beings like Turian scientists studying reaper tech to make thanix cannons.

Not to mention Amazingly Strong Willed Asari Matriarchs by the name Benezia.

[BatmanTurian]

TJBartlemus wrote...

This is creepy. The way Saren and TIM commit suicide are too similar!! They even use the same gun!!!

http://www.youtube.c...Jo3EzZZk#t=172s

http://www.youtube.c...Yjmaag_0#t=316s

I found it strange that they both say that the Reapers are too strong...and that they tried....

Edit: Of course this has been said before but still....

Yes, it's deliberate to show that what's happening is a product of Shepard imagining the hallucination as " something that is familiar", as Legion said about the Geth Concensus. I'm wondering if Shep is plugged into a Reaper Concensus through wifi or something by Harbinger.