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[Destructorlio]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

@Dendio
If the endings actually happened, then yes, you'd be absolutely correct. But if it's in Shepard's Mind though...well, then it'd may mean something bad has just happened.

I was just about to say this... the 'eyes becoming like Saren/The Illusive Man' is symbolic. You're not meant to take it literally- it's not literally happening. It's a war... inside Shepard's mind... and Shepard just lost... 

This is what the eyes are meant to communicate. It's one of, oh, I don't know, A BILLION clues.

Arashi08 wrote...
I thought of this myself actually, so...yah... thanks...for that  lol

It is only a small speculative hole that they could take advantage of, is what I meant.  And I agree, it IS very circumstantial since it really is just based on wording.  I was trying to convey that if I thought of it then they were probably gonna think of this too and try and cram it down our throats, thought I'd bring it up now so we could defend it later, 

So no need get mad, it was just a thought that came to mind and I wanted to address it before we got bombarded by trolls thinking it would be their new "IT-killer"  or as Epyon liked to say "IT-buster" 

 

Arashi, I think it's perfectly fine to come up with 'counter' evidence. Any theory should be able to withstand counter evidence- and I think IT does, in this case. But it's a valuable service and we thank you for your contribution. It's certainly a possibility.

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

Or getting really drunk in Purgatory.

If she's still there she's dead. No getting laid for her.

She ain't dead. Her and Bailey probably teamed up to defend the citadel.

Oh, right. Aria and Bailey. They'd know how to rule the Citadel together.

[TJBartlemus]

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm continuing a playthrough. I'm at the beginning of the Rannoch missions. Anything particular I should keep an eye out for?

Just talked to Anderson, and he mentioned that "something big" was going down in London. It bothers me that we really never get an explanation about what that "something" is. Unless its the Reapers building a magical space trampoline. I feel like it is something more...

Yeah, a while ago I was posting about this. I had found it strange that he says that and then later he says that he is in london yet he says nothing about the giant beam that the Reapers are building in the distance. It would be note worthy to tell Shepard don't ya think?

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

Or getting really drunk in Purgatory.

If she's still there she's dead. No getting laid for her.

She ain't dead. Her and Bailey probably teamed up to defend the citadel.

Bailey & Aria as squadmates!

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Like I said it was a small hole, but the video got me thinking about the Final Hours app and how it mentions Shepard's losing control, aka the player losing control of Shepard, which means that even before the game came out, they clearly had Indoctrination in mind when it came to the plot in ME3's story.

If this is the case, then could it also be possible that they left this infrasound at certain points in the game to affect the previous plot point they were planning to use in ME3 before they determined it was too difficult to implement the Shepard-losing-control part of the game. So it could be possible that they simply didn't remove the infrasound when they re-did the ending, especially since most speakers can't emit it and humans can't hear it anyway. why not just leave it in rather than re-record the sound/music?

like I said, it is a small, speculative hole, but I felt it needed to be addressed, so it could be properly discussed rather than being taken and ran with by a troll and/or anti-ITer

Seriously? That's the best they could do? I am disappoint.

That "hole" is entirely circumstantial and ultimately baseless.

It relies on a conclusion based on a misinterpretation of the wording used in the final hours app.

Theyre being hypocrites. Think about it.

Theyre trying to shoot the evidence down by using circumstantial evidence based on a misinterpretation.
They accuse us of employing circumstantial evidence that, while circumstantial, is based entirely on precedent, lore, and context. 

Theyre trying to shoot down a strong piece of evidence by using a weaker version of that same type of evidence that is based on a misinterpretation.

I was very careful to be neutral and open minded in the wording in my video, but if theyre going to try to shoot it down with that, you can paste this message to them and tell them to suck on their own hypocrisy for all I care. 

I thought of this myself actually, so...yah... thanks...for that  lol

It is only a small speculative hole that they could take advantage of, is what I meant.  And I agree, it IS very circumstantial since it really is just based on wording.  I was trying to convey that if I thought of it then they were probably gonna think of this too and try and cram it down our throats, thought I'd bring it up now so we could defend it later,

So no need get mad, it was just a thought that came to mind and I wanted to address it before we got bombarded by trolls thinking it would be their new "IT-killer"  or as Epyon liked to say "IT-buster"

No, you're wrong about that. They can't take advantage of it without invalidating THEIR ENTIRE CASE AGAINST IT. The only thing they throw at IT is the fact that most of it is circumstantial. Thus, if they use ANY form of circumstantial evidence to try and shoot it down? And if on top of that, their circumstantial evidence is based on a MISINTERPRETATION? Ludicrous. 

The main reason it gets me upset is because I took so much care with the wording of my video to not come off as offensive to literalists. And for them to repay that effort with that? 

They haven't done it yet. Who knows, maybe it will turn some heads and change some minds. We have to be optimistic.

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

They haven't done it yet. Who knows, maybe it will turn some heads and change some minds. We have to be optimistic.

I know, I got a little overexcited. I'm tired. I altered the wording of my post to not come off as livid. 

[TJBartlemus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

This is creepy. The way Saren and TIM commit suicide are too similar!! They even use the same gun!!!

http://www.youtube.c...Jo3EzZZk#t=172s

http://www.youtube.c...Yjmaag_0#t=316s

I found it strange that they both say that the Reapers are too strong...and that they tried....

Edit: Of course this has been said before but still....

Yes, it's deliberate to show that what's happening is a product of Shepard imagining the hallucination as " something that is familiar", as Legion said about the Geth Concensus. I'm wondering if Shep is plugged into a Reaper Concensus through wifi or something by Harbinger.

Well the Reapers have much more advanced technology, so it would make sense that the artificial "world" would be as equally advanced in perception to Shepard. The geths seems pretty basic. It's like comparing the first apple computer to the U.S. governments super computer today.

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

They haven't done it yet. Who knows, maybe it will turn some heads and change some minds. We have to be optimistic.

That's what we do here

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

I think the first rule at Bioware when it comes to the Indoctrination Theory is don't talk about the Indoctrination Theory.  :innocent:

the second rule...

"Don't **** with Aria."

Aria seriously needs to get laid though.

After retaking Omega back.

Or getting really drunk in Purgatory.

If she's still there she's dead. No getting laid for her.

She ain't dead. Her and Bailey probably teamed up to defend the citadel.

Bailey & Aria as squadmates!

Bailey " Just so you know, I don't like this one bit and if you step out of line just once, I'm going to shove your blue ass out an air lock after I put holes in you. "

Aria " F*** you too, Bailey. "

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Like I said it was a small hole, but the video got me thinking about the Final Hours app and how it mentions Shepard's losing control, aka the player losing control of Shepard, which means that even before the game came out, they clearly had Indoctrination in mind when it came to the plot in ME3's story.

If this is the case, then could it also be possible that they left this infrasound at certain points in the game to affect the previous plot point they were planning to use in ME3 before they determined it was too difficult to implement the Shepard-losing-control part of the game. So it could be possible that they simply didn't remove the infrasound when they re-did the ending, especially since most speakers can't emit it and humans can't hear it anyway. why not just leave it in rather than re-record the sound/music?

like I said, it is a small, speculative hole, but I felt it needed to be addressed, so it could be properly discussed rather than being taken and ran with by a troll and/or anti-ITer

Seriously? That's the best they could do? I am disappoint.

That "hole" is entirely circumstantial and ultimately baseless.

It relies on a conclusion based on a misinterpretation of the wording used in the final hours app.

Theyre being hypocrites. Think about it.

Theyre trying to shoot the evidence down by using circumstantial evidence based on a misinterpretation.
They accuse us of employing circumstantial evidence that, while circumstantial, is based entirely on precedent, lore, and context. 

Theyre trying to shoot down a strong piece of evidence by using a weaker version of that same type of evidence that is based on a misinterpretation.

I was very careful to be neutral and open minded in the wording in my video, but if theyre going to try to shoot it down with that, you can paste this message to them and tell them to suck on their own hypocrisy for all I care. 

I thought of this myself actually, so...yah... thanks...for that  lol

It is only a small speculative hole that they could take advantage of, is what I meant.  And I agree, it IS very circumstantial since it really is just based on wording.  I was trying to convey that if I thought of it then they were probably gonna think of this too and try and cram it down our throats, thought I'd bring it up now so we could defend it later,

So no need get mad, it was just a thought that came to mind and I wanted to address it before we got bombarded by trolls thinking it would be their new "IT-killer"  or as Epyon liked to say "IT-buster"

No, you're wrong about that. They can't take advantage of it without invalidating THEIR ENTIRE CASE AGAINST IT. The only thing they throw at IT is the fact that most of it is circumstantial. Thus, if they use ANY form of circumstantial evidence to try and shoot it down? And if on top of that, their circumstantial evidence is based on a MISINTERPRETATION? Ludicrous. 

The main reason it gets me upset is because I took so much care with the wording of my video to not come off as offensive to literalists. If they try to reject it with that, there may be no hope for them whatsoever. 

Ok, Seriously, calm down and take a deep breath.  I am NOT your enemy here!  It was ME who came up with this NOT them, and I brought it up to strengthen IT's argument, not to mention I wanted to get an answer from people who would NOT flip out over it.

This is why I was hesitant about bringing it up... 

[BleedingUranium]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

This is creepy. The way Saren and TIM commit suicide are too similar!! They even use the same gun!!!

http://www.youtube.c...Jo3EzZZk#t=172s

http://www.youtube.c...Yjmaag_0#t=316s

I found it strange that they both say that the Reapers are too strong...and that they tried....

Edit: Of course this has been said before but still....

Yes, it's deliberate to show that what's happening is a product of Shepard imagining the hallucination as " something that is familiar", as Legion said about the Geth Concensus. I'm wondering if Shep is plugged into a Reaper Concensus through wifi or something by Harbinger.

Well the Reapers have much more advanced technology, so it would make sense that the artificial "world" would be as equally advanced in perception to Shepard. The geths seems pretty basic. It's like comparing the first apple computer to the U.S. governments super computer today.

Which is pretty much how Legion compared the two

[KevShep]

TJBartlemus wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm continuing a playthrough. I'm at the beginning of the Rannoch missions. Anything particular I should keep an eye out for?

Just talked to Anderson, and he mentioned that "something big" was going down in London. It bothers me that we really never get an explanation about what that "something" is. Unless its the Reapers building a magical space trampoline. I feel like it is something more...

Yeah, a while ago I was posting about this. I had found it strange that he says that and then later he says that he is in london yet he says nothing about the giant beam that the Reapers are building in the distance. It would be note worthy to tell Shepard don't ya think?

This could mean that the reapers are planning for the Citadel to arrive well before TIM tells them our plans!

The reapers may have been planning the whole thing crucible+citadel=reaper weapon.

[UrgentArchengel]

I do hope Hellish's vid opens up more minds. Not for the sake of "converting", but for the sake of, you know, being open minded. It's a good thing, like the heal powers of laughter.

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

Ok, Seriously, calm down and take a deep breath.  I am NOT your enemy here!  It was ME who came up with this NOT them, and I brought it up to strengthen IT's argument, not to mention I wanted to get an answer from people who would NOT flip out over it.

This is why I was hesitant about bringing it up... 

I realize that now, and I apologize for overreacting in your direction... I put long hours into that vid and I think it drained me a bit more than I realized at first. 

Here is a modified version of my original post:


If that's the best they can do, they might as well give up now. 

That "hole" is entirely circumstantial and ultimately baseless.

It relies on a conclusion based on a misinterpretation of the wording used in the final hours app.
They would be labeling themselves as hypocrites and dismissing their own case in one fell swoop.

Theyre trying to shoot the evidence down by using circumstantial evidence based on a misinterpretation.They accuse us of employing circumstantial evidence that, while circumstantial, is based entirely on precedent, lore, and context. 
Theyre trying to shoot down a strong piece of evidence by using a weaker version of that same type of evidence that is based on a misinterpretation.

I was very careful to be neutral and open minded in the wording in my video, but if theyre going to try to shoot it down with that, you can safely assume they arent putting enough thought into it to justify conversing with them. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 19 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[Turbo_J]

Hi. Seems things were hopping in here. Didn't read much given the tone of what I brushed over I don't think I missed anything. Hmm can't really write what I think without offending the Trolls.

Nice vid BTW Hellish. Well put together.

[Destructorlio]

HellishFiend wrote...

Sounds of Possession

This should really be on parabolee's summary page, has he been told about this?

[BatmanTurian]

KevShep wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm continuing a playthrough. I'm at the beginning of the Rannoch missions. Anything particular I should keep an eye out for?

Just talked to Anderson, and he mentioned that "something big" was going down in London. It bothers me that we really never get an explanation about what that "something" is. Unless its the Reapers building a magical space trampoline. I feel like it is something more...

Yeah, a while ago I was posting about this. I had found it strange that he says that and then later he says that he is in london yet he says nothing about the giant beam that the Reapers are building in the distance. It would be note worthy to tell Shepard don't ya think?

This could mean that the reapers are planning for the Citadel to arrive well before TIM tells them our plans!

The reapers may have been planning the whole thing crucible+citadel=reaper weapon.

TIM " Shepard is going to fire the crucible from the Citadel! "

Harbinger " YEAH, THANKS. BUT WE ALREADY KNEW THAT BECAUSE YOUR MIND IS OURS. "

[D.Sharrah]

Ok there has been something that has always bothered me about the final hours app...I haven't see it my self but I have seen it referenced enought to know what I am saying is true...it is is stated that Bioware decided not to use a game mechanic where Shep loses control (due to indoctrination) b/c it was too difficult to implement along with dialogue...

But isn't this exactly what we get in the TIM confrontation scene?

[Golferguy758]

Golferguy758 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Could someone explain this...you know the eyes that glow are a sign of indoctrination at the end of the game and were both Saren/TIM's eyes?? Well when you play as renegade your scars become more pronounced and your eyes start to glow red, but they have the same design as TIM's eyes. What's up with that?

The design is technically different.  Renegade Shep's are upside down/inverted compared to Indoct. Eyes.  Kinda reminds me of an inverted cross meaning evil.  It's like Sheps's eyes do a total 180 for no reason unless he's been indoctrinated or something. 

If you take the endings literal the reason for Shep's eyes going inverted like that is because of how little sense the ending makes. Shepard actually breaks the 4th wall and rolls his eyes so hard that they invert.

@ hellishfiend

Nice video. First part with the speakers confused me because I'm not an audiophile. Wouldn't infrasonic waves sitll cause the speakers to move? Second part is interesting, though. I wondered why Coates was thrown in out of nowhere. Never really considered it too much though.

Couple of questions I have though. How can you be certain that the infrasonic sound was left in intentionally? Is it possible to be created as a by product of recording/creating music for the game?

It does make a small part of me want to play ME3 again, but egh until that EC comes out it's kind of...bleh. 

Then if EC actually tries to justify the ending as they stand I'd just be depressed all over again.

That does actually remind me of funny occurrences though. I read a bit of fanfic in my spare time. And I was lookign at some Mass Effect ones. In the Authro's notes prior to Mar 6th there was such an excitement mentioning how stoked they were for the game. The chapter following Mar 6th ALWAYS had a ntoe just ranting about the ending. A couple even canned their stories because of how depressing the literal ending was.

I just thought it was funny watching this mountain of build up followed by a nosedive over the course of 4 or 5 days in those stories. Made me chuckle.

Got lost in the traffic...

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Hi. Seems things were hopping in here. Didn't read much given the tone of what I brushed over I don't think I missed anything. Hmm can't really write what I think without offending the Trolls.

Nice vid BTW Hellish. Well put together.

Thank you. There is actually quite a bit of good discussion buried in the dozens of pages that have flown by today. It's worth checking out if you have the spare time later. By the way, I have several good posts set aside to respond to later, one of which is yours. So just know that your post didnt get entirely buried by the deluge of posts today. 

[BleedingUranium]

KevShep wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm continuing a playthrough. I'm at the beginning of the Rannoch missions. Anything particular I should keep an eye out for?

Just talked to Anderson, and he mentioned that "something big" was going down in London. It bothers me that we really never get an explanation about what that "something" is. Unless its the Reapers building a magical space trampoline. I feel like it is something more...

Yeah, a while ago I was posting about this. I had found it strange that he says that and then later he says that he is in london yet he says nothing about the giant beam that the Reapers are building in the distance. It would be note worthy to tell Shepard don't ya think?

This could mean that the reapers are planning for the Citadel to arrive well before TIM tells them our plans!

The reapers may have been planning the whole thing crucible+citadel=reaper weapon.

This is big.

[BatmanTurian]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I do hope Hellish's vid opens up more minds. Not for the sake of "converting", but for the sake of, you know, being open minded. It's a good thing, like the heal powers of laughter.

And then Cameltoeus and Seboist will ruin the whole damn thing. Just watch.

[BatmanTurian]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sounds of Possession

This should really be on parabolee's summary page, has he been told about this?

as someone already mentioned;
Parabolee has been conspicuously absent after Jessica Merizan "be-friended" him.

waaaait.... are you saying Merizan is Parabolee?