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[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If you play the mission again sometime, just look at it through the perspective of assuming he is a mole, and you should see it. There's no proof, but I think it's very subtley implied. 

I had an opposite impression of Bailey. He seemed like he wanted to be on the straight and narrow once he got his new position. I think he really did chase Kai Leng off because Kai Leng is just that lame.

Have you guys considered that you actually might both be right?

Bailey was with Cerberus, then reconsidered, and chased Kai Leng off because he is just that lame. 

Makes sense. 

Sad thing is, I'm only half joking.... 

We'll never know...or maybe we will with EC/after. If he was with Cerberus I think he's legit now, after getting shot in the back by them and seeing so many other of their moles get a bullet to the head for their troubles, and helping you out while stalling Kai Leng and all.

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If you play the mission again sometime, just look at it through the perspective of assuming he is a mole, and you should see it. There's no proof, but I think it's very subtley implied. 

I had an opposite impression of Bailey. He seemed like he wanted to be on the straight and narrow once he got his new position. I think he really did chase Kai Leng off because Kai Leng is just that lame.

Have you guys considered that you actually might both be right?

Bailey was with Cerberus, then reconsidered, and chased Kai Leng off because he is just that lame. 

Makes sense. 

Sad thing is, I'm only half joking.... 

That actually could be it. Now that I think of it though, that would be a great twist. I didn't think of it because I did like him. Maybe that would be a reason for him to be a Cerberus mole. I haven't seen many people that truly dislike him and most people tend to trust people they like.

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If you play the mission again sometime, just look at it through the perspective of assuming he is a mole, and you should see it. There's no proof, but I think it's very subtley implied. 

I had an opposite impression of Bailey. He seemed like he wanted to be on the straight and narrow once he got his new position. I think he really did chase Kai Leng off because Kai Leng is just that lame.

Have you guys considered that you actually might both be right?

Bailey was with Cerberus, then reconsidered, and chased Kai Leng off because he is just that lame. 

Makes sense. 

Sad thing is, I'm only half joking.... 

Yeah i can see that, but he says his kids are probably dead from the Reapers invading on colonies or Earth or something. Maybe he quit Cerberus because of this and turned on Kai Leng?

[HellishFiend]

Yeah, thats the reason I'm only half joking, because aside from the fact that I worded it in an amusing way, the shoe fits.

[monrapias]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

monrapias wrote...

I think if bioware had a different owner (someone else than EA) mass effect 3 wouldn't have been rushed out, and we would have gotten a more complete game.

I blame ea more than bioware for how the game has ended, even if the IT was planned, I think ea wanted to rush it out, that's why we have huge plot holes and no boss fight, every game needs a boss fight, yeah yeah it is suppose to be artistic and all that, it's a video game, I wanted a boss to fight. A cutscene after walking to a beam doesn't feel like an ending.

anyway, sure hope bioware does have something up their sleeve.

I'd hate to say it, but what if Microsoft kept publishing ME.

What if Take-Two was the bosses?

anyway, if microsoft still were the publishers, I think that would not hurt too much.
me2 was better gameplay wise and graphics, that's about it.

[TJBartlemus]

Turbo_J wrote...

It's odd the closer the EC/DLC becomes a reality the more visceral the attacks become. Not sure why people who have played this series are so opposed to the Idea. Can you really predistal a video game character in your own mind so much so that... never-mind; I am a Liara fan so I guess I'm not one to talk.

Should people, including those in the IT camp be more concerned with how it could be remotely possible that Shepard would not be Indoctrinated by now? Would that be more of a stretch? I'd like to see them write that bit of the tale without jumping the shark or using some literary crutch.

By the way, did anyone notice that Sanctuary was an Alliance facility? Just putting that out there.

So what do you think would happen if the anti-ITers were right? Would we just say "Oh...ok." and then be done with it? I'm sure some of the trolls that are anti-ITers if they are wrong would throw a fit. (Not saying all anti-Iters are trolls.)

[BatmanTurian]

well night guys. take it easy.

[FellishBeast]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If you play the mission again sometime, just look at it through the perspective of assuming he is a mole, and you should see it. There's no proof, but I think it's very subtley implied. 

I had an opposite impression of Bailey. He seemed like he wanted to be on the straight and narrow once he got his new position. I think he really did chase Kai Leng off because Kai Leng is just that lame.

Have you guys considered that you actually might both be right?

Bailey was with Cerberus, then reconsidered, and chased Kai Leng off because he is just that lame. 

Makes sense. 

Sad thing is, I'm only half joking.... 

Yeah i can see that, but he says his kids are probably dead from the Reapers invading on colonies or Earth or something. Maybe he quit Cerberus because of this and turned on Kai Leng?

Yeah, I may not have been clear in my post, but I do think he realized it was a bad idea when Shep showed up, because he helped Shep out a great deal on that mission. If it's anything at all, it's probably just a dirty little secret that doesn't affect the plot much but is interesing if you pick up on it.

Maybe in EC you'll get dialogue with to talk to him about it and either:
A.) Punch him in the face.
or
B.) I was with Cerberus longer than you, so I'm not one to talk.

[Rosewind]

BatmanTurian wrote...

well night guys. take it easy.

Nighty Night!!!

[FellishBeast]

TJBartlemus wrote...

all anti-Iters are trolls.

Wow, not cool, man.

[Asef Dimakiir]

Just curious, has anyone updated the IT evidence compilation with some of the newer theories/evidence?

[TJBartlemus]

FellishBeast wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

all anti-Iters are trolls.

Wow, not cool, man.

I got that comin' to me...lol. :happy:

[Rosewind]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If you play the mission again sometime, just look at it through the perspective of assuming he is a mole, and you should see it. There's no proof, but I think it's very subtley implied. 

I had an opposite impression of Bailey. He seemed like he wanted to be on the straight and narrow once he got his new position. I think he really did chase Kai Leng off because Kai Leng is just that lame.

Have you guys considered that you actually might both be right?

Bailey was with Cerberus, then reconsidered, and chased Kai Leng off because he is just that lame. 

Makes sense. 

Sad thing is, I'm only half joking.... 

Yeah i can see that, but he says his kids are probably dead from the Reapers invading on colonies or Earth or something. Maybe he quit Cerberus because of this and turned on Kai Leng?

Hmm I always did find that end scene when Cerberus invaded the citadel odd, all I could think was "Gee Bailey has awesome super powers he just teleported there so quickly"

[TJBartlemus]

Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Just curious, has anyone updated the IT evidence compilation with some of the newer theories/evidence?

Ummm....yeah!!!! Check out Hellish's The Sounds of Possession. Also you should check out my Waking Nightmare Theory. Just what you are looking for.... the link is in my signature.

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Watched the Saren death video linked a page or two ago, and it's really funny how he is clearly talking about Synthesis, but it's portrayed as a crime against nature at that point (Code 89?) in the story.

Also, Bailey could never be a squad mate. He's a spineless bastard that helps Cerberus invade the Citadel.

Code 89! I found that definition

Wait, where was it implied Bailey is working for Cerberus?

Just an idea I have. He's very odd in the Citadel mission. He's the only C-Sec officer left alive. He is found BEHIND Cerberus lines. He has been known to take bribes before (ME2) and I believe Cerberus even shows intent to hire him in the future.

Then at the end where you think Kai Leng is coming through the door to attack the Council, it's just Bailey and some other random dude, and their explanation is that they scared them away. BS in my opinion.

I think Bailey regretted his decision when he saw Shep land and shot himself and just decided to help Shep since he was the scariest person in the area. I don't think Bailey is a bad guy, it just makes the story more interesting to me. Fits with his character, too, imo.

If you play the mission again sometime, just look at it through the perspective of assuming he is a mole, and you should see it. There's no proof, but I think it's very subtley implied. 

I had an opposite impression of Bailey. He seemed like he wanted to be on the straight and narrow once he got his new position. I think he really did chase Kai Leng off because Kai Leng is just that lame.

Lol, just what I was thinking.

[LT123]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

This is creepy. The way Saren and TIM commit suicide are too similar!! They even use the same gun!!!

http://www.youtube.c...Jo3EzZZk#t=172s

http://www.youtube.c...Yjmaag_0#t=316s

I found it strange that they both say that the Reapers are too strong...and that they tried....

Edit: Of course this has been said before but still....

Is that the Paragon Interrupt noise when TIM kills himself?

This got lost in the shuffle. I'm curious about it too. 

[Destructorlio]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sounds of Possession

This should really be on parabolee's summary page, has he been told about this?

as someone already mentioned;
Parabolee has been conspicuously absent after Jessica Merizan "be-friended" him.

I didn't know about this (sorry, I often miss 100 pages at a time when stupid real life gets in way), please elaborate? 

TJBartlemus wrote...

So what do you think would happen if the anti-ITers were right? Would we just say "Oh...ok." and then be done with it? I'm sure some of the trolls that are anti-ITers if they are wrong would throw a fit. (Not saying all anti-Iters are trolls.) 

 

Actually, a couple of days ago a friend told me (wrongly) that Bioware had 'nixed' IT and... I have to be honest... this sounds lame... I panicked. I was genuinely quite freaked out (until I came here and found out my friend was talking out of his ass). Not because I was wrong to believe... but I honestly think IT is the only way the ending can be saved. I don't believe the ending can be 'fixed' and still remain a literal interpretation. There are just WAAAAY too many holes. I don't want to see Bioware running around patching the holes on a sinking ship. I want them to say: "Oh by the way, this ship is ALSO a kickass submarine!" IT will validate my faith in Bioware. Anything else will...well, yeah, it'll hurt, because I have put a lot of my heart into that story, and yeah, it won't ruin my life or anything, I'll move quickly on, but, yeah, it'll hurt a bit.

So, if IT turns out not to be true (which I totally accept as a possiblity), I will be quite devastated, for a bit.

If it is true... dude... you think people hated the ending the first time? Some people are going to LOSE. THIER. MINDS. if IT is true. Expect major outrage.

I'll be super-happy, though. 

[Turbo_J]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

It's odd the closer the EC/DLC becomes a reality the more visceral the attacks become. Not sure why people who have played this series are so opposed to the Idea. Can you really predistal a video game character in your own mind so much so that... never-mind; I am a Liara fan so I guess I'm not one to talk.

Should people, including those in the IT camp be more concerned with how it could be remotely possible that Shepard would not be Indoctrinated by now? Would that be more of a stretch? I'd like to see them write that bit of the tale without jumping the shark or using some literary crutch.

By the way, did anyone notice that Sanctuary was an Alliance facility? Just putting that out there.

So what do you think would happen if the anti-ITers were right? Would we just say "Oh...ok." and then be done with it? I'm sure some of the trolls that are anti-ITers if they are wrong would throw a fit. (Not saying all anti-Iters are trolls.)

It could be that Indoctrination is not the 'hidden' undertone of the story. Maybe there is another explanation and I'll be surprised.

I didn't specify a group, it's just an observation that attacks, however fewer, seem a little more heated. They range from Anti-IT to the fact an EC is being produced at all. Although I know it's happened, I've never seen nor participated in such attack against other peoples interpretation. It just seems like a waste of energy. I'm sure there are ITers that have done this... perhaps a Cerberus splinter group of sorts.

If Indoctrination is not the case then I'd like to think BW  could come up with something that fits. The only problem from my personal perspective is that if Indoctrination is not the case, and something else explains what took place during the game, the elements of Indoctrination that are blatantly present would then become plot holes in of themselves. I guess the real trick is, because of the nature of Indoctrination, inconsistency can actually be ignored. We see character in the game do that constantly. lol

[Nightingale]

Turbo_J wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

It's odd the closer the EC/DLC becomes a reality the more visceral the attacks become. Not sure why people who have played this series are so opposed to the Idea. Can you really predistal a video game character in your own mind so much so that... never-mind; I am a Liara fan so I guess I'm not one to talk.

Should people, including those in the IT camp be more concerned with how it could be remotely possible that Shepard would not be Indoctrinated by now? Would that be more of a stretch? I'd like to see them write that bit of the tale without jumping the shark or using some literary crutch.

By the way, did anyone notice that Sanctuary was an Alliance facility? Just putting that out there.

So what do you think would happen if the anti-ITers were right? Would we just say "Oh...ok." and then be done with it? I'm sure some of the trolls that are anti-ITers if they are wrong would throw a fit. (Not saying all anti-Iters are trolls.)

It could be that Indoctrination is not the 'hidden' undertone of the story. Maybe there is another explanation and I'll be surprised.

I didn't specify a group, it's just an observation that attacks, however fewer, seem a little more heated. They range from Anti-IT to the fact an EC is being produced at all. Although I know it's happened, I've never seen nor participated in such attack against other peoples interpretation. It just seems like a waste of energy. I'm sure there are ITers that have done this... perhaps a Cerberus splinter group of sorts.

If Indoctrination is not the case then I'd like to think BW  could come up with something that fits. The only problem from my personal perspective is that if Indoctrination is not the case, and something else explains what took place during the game, the elements of Indoctrination that are blatantly present would then become plot holes in of themselves. I guess the real trick is, because of the nature of Indoctrination, inconsistency can actually be ignored. We see character in the game do that constantly. lol

I suppose they could brush it off as having been the remnants of the original indoctrination plot that they just neglected to remove. Doesn't change the fact that they are there (like the infrasound in the dreams, for instance) for the purposes of indoctrination, however.
But yeah, I don't really get why anybody would bother attacking someone else for their opinion or interpretation of something.

[Asef Dimakiir]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Just curious, has anyone updated the IT evidence compilation with some of the newer theories/evidence?

Ummm....yeah!!!! Check out Hellish's The Sounds of Possession. Also you should check out my Waking Nightmare Theory. Just what you are looking for.... the link is in my signature.

Actually, I meant more along the lines of a total comprehensive compilation detailing prior evidence + the new evidence that's cropped up. I've seen the "Sounds of Possession" video, it was amazing -- it's got me really ecstatic and starting to leave me with little doubt about the theory. But I'd like to see a nice big compilation formatted of all prior and newer information to easily sort through. I'd do it myself but I often don't have the time or the patience @_@ unfortunately.

[Rifneno]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, the thread is growing too fast to keep up with... I had an idea for another place that should be checked for infrasound. Banshee screams. The codex even mentions that the screams' only effect seems to be psychological. It would explain why a lot of people just can't get used to banshee screams. I know I can't. I can get used to a jackhammer right outside my window, but not banshee screams.

[Overload_C14]

Just had a thought about the indoctrinated eye theroy.
If TIMs eyes are though to be implants in the boots or whatnot then whats to stop shepards from being implants too? I mean, In both endings where the eyes appear his skin is burned off, So they could just be under the normal flesh the whole time :S

[FellishBeast]

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, the thread is growing too fast to keep up with... I had an idea for another place that should be checked for infrasound. Banshee screams. The codex even mentions that the screams' only effect seems to be psychological. It would explain why a lot of people just can't get used to banshee screams. I know I can't. I can get used to a jackhammer right outside my window, but not banshee screams.

Damn those Giger-esque, teleporting Nazgul wood-nymphs!

Edit: Oh, and no, to the best of my knowledge, this hasn't been looked into yet.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 19 juin 2012 - 05:55 .

[Rifneno]

FellishBeast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, the thread is growing too fast to keep up with... I had an idea for another place that should be checked for infrasound. Banshee screams. The codex even mentions that the screams' only effect seems to be psychological. It would explain why a lot of people just can't get used to banshee screams. I know I can't. I can get used to a jackhammer right outside my window, but not banshee screams.

Damn those Giger-esque, teleporting Nazgul wood-nymphs!

You forgot "magnet-handed".

[FellishBeast]

Rifneno wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, the thread is growing too fast to keep up with... I had an idea for another place that should be checked for infrasound. Banshee screams. The codex even mentions that the screams' only effect seems to be psychological. It would explain why a lot of people just can't get used to banshee screams. I know I can't. I can get used to a jackhammer right outside my window, but not banshee screams.

Damn those Giger-esque, teleporting Nazgul wood-nymphs!

You forgot "magnet-handed".

Ah, that I did. Force-wielding, as well.

I almost compared them to the Slender Man x]