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[Earthborn_Shepard]

I can see how it would be especially tragic to see a child die. But... yeah.. why not actually show the dead crewmates in the dreams? Like.. being able to talk to Ashley/Kaidan... and then it could get a typical nightmare ending.. like maybe Ashley/Kaidan gets angry and attacks you for not saving her/him.. or you could see your entire crew standing around you, with their faces looking huskified.. that would have been really terrifying...

[MegumiAzusa]

SubAstris wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If we are analysing the scene as a singular element in a story then there is as much evidence for it showing the psychological damage of Shepard as indoctrniation, however much you may want the dreams to be considered evidence for your theory

What Physcological damage? Shepard is under alot of pressure in the game, as much is said after the Thessia mission, but where do they start talking about him beeing physchologically damaged?

Inf act as has been said Shepard has gone through worse and goes through worse over the cause of the game than watching that child die. Kaidan/Ashely´s, Mordin, Thane, Legion, all people close to Shepard and which would logically affect him way more.

Hell with the sole survivor background Shepard has gone through the death of his entire unit as the sole survivor, but shows not signs of PTSD or other mental affects from it.

Shepard is repeatdely cited as incredibly strong willed, probably the most strong willed person in the galaxy. It is unlikely, even impossible,  that he would break down from horror or sadness if there was not some kind of outside influence specifically working to that end.

I think it is safe to assume that, like any soldier, he is affected by the events unfolding in front of his very eyes. The dreams are a subconscious representation of his feelings of guilty and others.

He does go through a lot worse in terms of the people he loses, yes . But you have forgotten what I have said before, BW distinctively set out to make Shepard respond more emotionally in this game, much more than the others, hence why in the first scene he reacts as he does when the child dies. Furthermore, you have to see the child as a representation of humanity (BW's words, which I have mentioned before), not just one person.

Again your interpretation ignores what BW have themselves already said

In this case I have to agree with him, also it's stated that the deaths have taken a toll on her when you create a new Shep.

[paxxton]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi!

Ohai paxxton!

(The cycle repeats...)

LOL. I forgot about the cycle.

[Salient Archer]

Just sifting through the past 8 hours of pages and to be honest don't have anything to add or noticed anything revolutionary, except: Stay calm and keep civil people, in-fighting doesn't lead to answers. So stay classy people and try to keep up the good work.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 19 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

Just sifting through the past 8 hours of pages and to be honest don't have anything to add or noticed anything revolutionary, except: Stay calm and keep civil people, in-fighting doesn't lead to answers. So stay classy people and try to keep up the good work.

Did you see The Sounds of Possession by HellishFiend?

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[ZerebusPrime]

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Just sifting through the past 8 hours of pages and to be honest don't have anything to add or noticed anything revolutionary, except: Stay calm and keep civil people, in-fighting doesn't lead to answers. So stay classy people and try to keep up the good work.

Did you see The Sounds of Possession by HellishFiend?

I just got home from work so I hadn't had the chance but I'm streaming it to my home theatre now so I can hear it in all its glory.

[Salient Archer]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

Which idea was that?

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

Which idea was that?

Same question here.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

SubAstris wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If we are analysing the scene as a singular element in a story then there is as much evidence for it showing the psychological damage of Shepard as indoctrniation, however much you may want the dreams to be considered evidence for your theory

What Physcological damage? Shepard is under alot of pressure in the game, as much is said after the Thessia mission, but where do they start talking about him beeing physchologically damaged?

Inf act as has been said Shepard has gone through worse and goes through worse over the cause of the game than watching that child die. Kaidan/Ashely´s, Mordin, Thane, Legion, all people close to Shepard and which would logically affect him way more.

Hell with the sole survivor background Shepard has gone through the death of his entire unit as the sole survivor, but shows not signs of PTSD or other mental affects from it.

Shepard is repeatdely cited as incredibly strong willed, probably the most strong willed person in the galaxy. It is unlikely, even impossible,  that he would break down from horror or sadness if there was not some kind of outside influence specifically working to that end.

I think it is safe to assume that, like any soldier, he is affected by the events unfolding in front of his very eyes. The dreams are a subconscious representation of his feelings of guilty and others.

He does go through a lot worse in terms of the people he loses, yes . But you have forgotten what I have said before, BW distinctively set out to make Shepard respond more emotionally in this game, much more than the others, hence why in the first scene he reacts as he does when the child dies. Furthermore, you have to see the child as a representation of humanity (BW's words, which I have mentioned before), not just one person.

Again your interpretation ignores what BW have themselves already said

I can see Sheaprd asociating the struggle at Earth with the child, but there is a huge leap between that and Shepard having repeated nightmares about said child when he lost other people much closer to himself and dident even have single nightmare.

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi!

Ohai paxxton!

(The cycle repeats...)

Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi!

Ohai paxxton!

(The cycle repeats...)

Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Photobucket betrayed you, and you fed up with this wurrlll!

[Overload_C14]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

Which idea was that?

Same question here.

that his working for Cerberus, I honestly cant see him as a trator after that level

[Salient Archer]

First thing I'd like to say about HellishFiend's video is that I find it so jarring when I see a Shepard that isn't mine. It's so strange, like I'm looking as someone else acting out my actions.

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi!

Ohai paxxton!

(The cycle repeats...)

Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Photobucket betrayed you, and you fed up with this wurrlll!

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART BSN.

[Salient Archer]

Overload_C14 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

Which idea was that?

Same question here.

that his working for Cerberus, I honestly cant see him as a trator after that level

This idea is honestly new to me; what's the supporting evidence in favor of him working for them?, if any.

[paxxton]

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hi!

Ohai paxxton!

(The cycle repeats...)

Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Photobucket betrayed you, and you fed up with this wurrlll!

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART BSN.

Ohai, all!!

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

Overload_C14 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

Which idea was that?

Same question here.

that his working for Cerberus, I honestly cant see him as a trator after that level

This idea is honestly new to me; what's the supporting evidence in favor of him working for them?, if any.

Cerberus tried to recruit him. Officially unsuccessfully.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 12:55 .

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

Again your interpretation ignores what BW have themselves already said

They said they wanted us to feel what Shepard feels.

I think they did a good job.  And they'd still do a good job if IT is true.

Unless you can find a quote which directly says 'IT is wrong', then you're ignoring what BW themselves already said by claiming we're wrong - they said its ment to provoke speculation.

Which we're doing.  A lot.

[Andromidius]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I can see how it would be especially tragic to see a child die.

Considering it wasn't that bad a death, I doubt it would effect anyone bar the most bleeding heart Shepard.

Considering Shepard has seen people burn alive, be disolved mere inches from his face and many of his close friends and allies die under his leadership...  I doubt one non-personal death would suddenly break his grip on reality.

[Andromidius]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

Non-lethal wounds can be good cover, especially for fanatic troops.  So let's not.

Edit: Not saying he is, but he could be.  Considering how he got control of Citadel Security pretty suddenly, and Cerberus launched a suprise attack despite all the preparation for such an attack, and how he was the only survivor of that firefight and suddenly arrived when supposedly it was Cerberus banging down the door at the end (and he shows little sign of being injured)...  Its plausble that he was working with Cerberus (at least initially, he may have had a change of heart when he realised he was expendable to them and won't reveal what he did to Shepard for obvious reasons).

Its just an interesting little analysis of the character and what potentially could have happened.

Modifié par Andromidius, 19 juin 2012 - 01:07 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Andromidius wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I can see how it would be especially tragic to see a child die.

Considering it wasn't that bad a death, I doubt it would effect anyone bar the most bleeding heart Shepard.

Considering Shepard has seen people burn alive, be disolved mere inches from his face and many of his close friends and allies die under his leadership...  I doubt one non-personal death would suddenly break his grip on reality.

at least it shouldn't affect a renegade Shepard who constantly shoots everyone.

Also, triple posts are evil.

[Andromidius]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I can see how it would be especially tragic to see a child die.

Considering it wasn't that bad a death, I doubt it would effect anyone bar the most bleeding heart Shepard.

Considering Shepard has seen people burn alive, be disolved mere inches from his face and many of his close friends and allies die under his leadership...  I doubt one non-personal death would suddenly break his grip on reality.

at least it shouldn't affect a renegade Shepard who constantly shoots everyone.

Also, triple posts are evil.

Just replying to people.  No big deal.

[paxxton]

I find it very convincing that the infrasounds appear in the frequency spectrum analysis when indoctrinated presence is detected (Coats) and then they disappear when those people leave. Someone, check if it's also the case if Kai Leng is in the vicinity.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 01:16 .

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I can see how it would be especially tragic to see a child die.

Considering it wasn't that bad a death, I doubt it would effect anyone bar the most bleeding heart Shepard.

Considering Shepard has seen people burn alive, be disolved mere inches from his face and many of his close friends and allies die under his leadership...  I doubt one non-personal death would suddenly break his grip on reality.

My worst playthrough:

ME1:
Colonist/Sole Survivor
Killed Wrex
Let Kirrahe die
Let Kaidan die
Killed Rachni Queen
Killed entire Feros colony, Shiala included
Killed Balak, let hostages die
Let Council die

ME2:
Normandy is destroyed. Pressly and 20 other crewmembers die
Shepard dies
Let Kal'Reegar die
Let Garrus kill Sidonis
Let Mordin kill Maelon, destroyed genophage data
Let Jack kill Aresh
Destroyed geth heretics
Killed turian politician on Thane's loyalty mission
Made Jacob's dad kill himself
Killed Samara, recruited Morinth
Left Zaeed to burn to death
Waited long enough that the entire crew got killed at the Collector Base
Didnt send anyone to escort Chakwas, she died too.
Only Mordin and Legion survived Suicide Mission

ME3:
Child I have never met before dies.
Sabotaged Genophage by shooting Mordin. (Coulda talked him out of since Wreav led and Eve was dead, but that would have been one less death)
Salarian councilor got killed in front of me
Killed Ashley
Killed Samara's daughter
Did geth consensus mission to kill an entire city's equivalent of geth
Killed the quarians.
Legion dies
Lost Thessia

After all those deaths, who am I dreaming of in the dream right before assaulting TIM's base? The damned child.

I refuse to believe that Shepard is somehow more attached to a random child than she is to any of the friends she's lost, or that the child dying is what would cause her PTSD.

Also, there are more deaths I didnt include, but I typed out a full list once and then accidentally closed the tab, so I typed out an abbreviated list, which is still pretty damned long.

Modifié par byne, 19 juin 2012 - 01:23 .