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[Silhouett3]

paxxton wrote...

 Someone, check if it's also the case if Kai Leng is in the vicinity.

Why not check files of ME2, like the sounds of Derelict Reaper or Object Rho? Even ME1 maybe, back in those days we didn't get 5.1 support but it is theoratically sound=]

[Drift Avalii]

Rifneno 
Anyone who says it's PTSD needs to stop pretending they're a psychologist because they clearly don't know jack **** about the subject. End of story. BioWare, on the other hand, obviously does know other symptoms of PTSD since they made sure to include them with the asari commando and Kelly Chambers.
Claiming this is PTSD based on one symptom, one that's also a symptom of indoctrination, is like writing off someone covered in smallpox as having the cold because both diseases carry a fever.

This. I cannot believe I am even having to do this and I apologise for the WALL OF TEXT coming your way, but given some of those arguing the point are clearly not listening to those without what they deem to be acceptable proof, here it is. 

I am a student doctor in England. Our teaching is much the same as other medical schools worldwide bar some focusing on culture-specific issues (TB in London, for example). Now, I am going to give a short, concise Psychology 101 into PTSD so we can FINALLY put this issue to bed. 

Stress in general, whether to do with the body, the mind, or both, occurs in everyday life. The autonomic (reflexive, if you will) response to stress results in the release of adrenaline, and heightened arousal leading to a short 'fight or flight' response, which leaves mental and physical exhaustion afterwards. It's why people feel so tired and drained following an argument, for example. 

PTSD, or post-traumatic stress disorder, is a world of intensity away from being caught in traffic or being late for the doctors. It is defined as occurring ' following a stressful event which is catastrophic or exceptionally threatening in nature' (as set by NICE, the clinical leading body in the UK). It was first diagnosed officially in Vietnam war vets, and only 25-30% of those in a traumatic situation will develop it.

Symptoms:  

Re-experiencing: flashbacks, nightmares, sensory memories intruding on everyday life and clear distress when reminded of the trauma.


Avoidance or Rumination: Sufferers actively avoid people, places and situations that remind them of the trauma. Others think excessively about it, questioning why it happened to them, why did they survive, etc.

Hyperarousal or Emotional numbing: Examples of this are hypervigilance for threats, poor sleep patterns, poor concentration, exaggerated startle responses, difficulty feeling emotion, detachment from others and emotional amnesia when thinking of the trauma itself. 


Now, the only one of those symptoms Shepard is exhibiting is nightmares, which would not be anywhere NEAR enough boxes ticked to form such a diagnosis. 

The Asari in Huerta Memorial? She shows avoidance, hyper arousal and re-experiencing symptoms, which would provide a clear diagnosis of PTSD. 


I apologise for the wall of text, but I have just about had enough of people claiming that three nightmares on the same subject result in 'obvious' PTSD. Learn the subject or do not pass on bad knowledge, end of. 

I had recurring nightmares as a child, does that mean I had PTSD? No. There is a phrase in medicine which fits well here:

Do not see hoofprints and expect a zebra. If it is NOT PTSD, and it isn't, it must be something else. 

/Rant 

Modifié par Drift Avalii, 19 juin 2012 - 01:31 .

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...


Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Again? Poor lex0r.

[paxxton]

Silhouett3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

 Someone, check if it's also the case if Kai Leng is in the vicinity.

Why not check files of ME2, like the sounds of Derelict Reaper or Object Rho? Even ME1 maybe, back in those days we didn't get 5.1 support but it is theoratically sound=]

If anywhere, you can find infrasounds especially in ME3 because this is the game that aims at showing indoctrination (and also it would make the most sense story-wise - the Reapers are everywhere you go).
 
I posted a few spectra from ME2 (derelict Reaper core included) yesterday. They contain infrasound frequencies.

[SubAstris]

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Again your interpretation ignores what BW have themselves already said

They said they wanted us to feel what Shepard feels.

I think they did a good job.  And they'd still do a good job if IT is true.

Unless you can find a quote which directly says 'IT is wrong', then you're ignoring what BW themselves already said by claiming we're wrong - they said its ment to provoke speculation.

Which we're doing.  A lot.

I never said IT was wrong or that BW said that, I'm just saying that using the available evidence in-game and from what BW has said about it, one cannot say that it is implausible for the dreams to be taken literally

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...


Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Nooooooo! *Curls up in th corner and rocks*

[Salient Archer]

Drift Avalii wrote...

Rifneno 
Anyone who says it's PTSD needs to stop pretending they're a psychologist because they clearly don't know jack **** about the subject. End of story. BioWare, on the other hand, obviously does know other symptoms of PTSD since they made sure to include them with the asari commando and Kelly Chambers.
Claiming this is PTSD based on one symptom, one that's also a symptom of indoctrination, is like writing off someone covered in smallpox as having the cold because both diseases carry a fever.

This. I cannot believe I am even having to do this and I apologise for the WALL OF TEXT coming your way, but given some of those arguing the point are clearly not listening to those without what they deem to be acceptable proof, here it is. 

I am a student doctor in England. Our teaching is much the same as other medical schools worldwide bar some focusing on culture-specific issues (TB in London, for example). Now, I am going to give a short, concise Psychology 101 into PTSD so we can FINALLY put this issue to bed. 

Stress in general, whether to do with the body, the mind, or both, occurs in everyday life. The autonomic (reflexive, if you will) response to stress results in the release of adrenaline, and heightened arousal leading to a short 'fight or flight' response, which leaves mental and physical exhaustion afterwards. It's why people feel so tired and drained following an argument, for example. 

PTSD, or post-traumatic stress disorder, is a world of intensity away from being caught in traffic or being late for the doctors. It is defined as occurring ' following a stressful event which is catastrophic or exceptionally threatening in nature' (as set by NICE, the clinical leading body in the UK). It was first diagnosed officially in Vietnam war vets, and only 25-30% of those in a traumatic situation will develop it.

Symptoms:  

Re-experiencing: flashbacks, nightmares, sensory memories intruding on everyday life and clear distress when reminded of the trauma.


Avoidance or Rumination: Sufferers actively avoid people, places and situations that remind them of the trauma. Others think excessively about it, questioning why it happened to them, why did they survive, etc.

Hyperarousal or Emotional numbing: Examples of this are hypervigilance for threats, poor sleep patterns, poor concentration, exaggerated startle responses, difficulty feeling emotion, detachment from others and emotional amnesia when thinking of the trauma itself. 


Now, the only one of those symptoms Shepard is exhibiting is nightmares, which would not be anywhere NEAR enough boxes ticked to form such a diagnosis. 

The Asari in Huerta Memorial? She shows avoidance, hyper arousal and re-experiencing symptoms, which would provide a clear diagnosis of PTSD. 


I apologise for the wall of text, but I have just about had enough of people claiming that three nightmares on the same subject result in 'obvious' PTSD. Learn the subject or do not pass on bad knowledge, end of. 

I had recurring nightmares as a child, does that mean I had PTSD? No. There is a phrase in medicine which fits well here:

Do not see hoofprints and expect a zebra. If it is NOT PTSD, and it isn't, it must be something else. 

/Rant 

Thank you Drift, that is the most well written and educated arguement against Shepard suffering from PTSD (actually it totally proves he can't be suffering from it as we also have a contrast thanks to the Asari Commando). This is also one of the most interesting things I've read in awhile.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 19 juin 2012 - 01:38 .

[SubAstris]

Drift Avalii wrote...

Rifneno 
Anyone who says it's PTSD needs to stop pretending they're a psychologist because they clearly don't know jack **** about the subject. End of story. BioWare, on the other hand, obviously does know other symptoms of PTSD since they made sure to include them with the asari commando and Kelly Chambers.
Claiming this is PTSD based on one symptom, one that's also a symptom of indoctrination, is like writing off someone covered in smallpox as having the cold because both diseases carry a fever.

This. I cannot believe I am even having to do this and I apologise for the WALL OF TEXT coming your way, but given some of those arguing the point are clearly not listening to those without what they deem to be acceptable proof, here it is. 

I am a student doctor in England. Our teaching is much the same as other medical schools worldwide bar some focusing on culture-specific issues (TB in London, for example). Now, I am going to give a short, concise Psychology 101 into PTSD so we can FINALLY put this issue to bed. 

Stress in general, whether to do with the body, the mind, or both, occurs in everyday life. The autonomic (reflexive, if you will) response to stress results in the release of adrenaline, and heightened arousal leading to a short 'fight or flight' response, which leaves mental and physical exhaustion afterwards. It's why people feel so tired and drained following an argument, for example. 

PTSD, or post-traumatic stress disorder, is a world of intensity away from being caught in traffic or being late for the doctors. It is defined as occurring ' following a stressful event which is catastrophic or exceptionally threatening in nature' (as set by NICE, the clinical leading body in the UK). It was first diagnosed officially in Vietnam war vets, and only 25-30% of those in a traumatic situation will develop it.

Symptoms:  

Re-experiencing: flashbacks, nightmares, sensory memories intruding on everyday life and clear distress when reminded of the trauma.


Avoidance or Rumination: Sufferers actively avoid people, places and situations that remind them of the trauma. Others think excessively about it, questioning why it happened to them, why did they survive, etc.

Hyperarousal or Emotional numbing: Examples of this are hypervigilance for threats, poor sleep patterns, poor concentration, exaggerated startle responses, difficulty feeling emotion, detachment from others and emotional amnesia when thinking of the trauma itself. 


Now, the only one of those symptoms Shepard is exhibiting is nightmares, which would not be anywhere NEAR enough boxes ticked to form such a diagnosis. 

The Asari in Huerta Memorial? She shows avoidance, hyper arousal and re-experiencing symptoms, which would provide a clear diagnosis of PTSD. 


I apologise for the wall of text, but I have just about had enough of people claiming that three nightmares on the same subject result in 'obvious' PTSD. Learn the subject or do not pass on bad knowledge, end of. 

I had recurring nightmares as a child, does that mean I had PTSD? No. There is a phrase in medicine which fits well here:

Do not see hoofprints and expect a zebra. If it is NOT PTSD, and it isn't, it must be something else. 

/Rant 

His trauma doesn't get to the extent that he is incapable of living, but it shows nonetheless something which affects him subconsciously, hence the dreams. It is pretty common in literature

Modifié par SubAstris, 19 juin 2012 - 01:40 .

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Again? Poor lex0r.

Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Nooooooo! *Curls up in th corner and rocks*

Don't worry, it's online again!

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 juin 2012 - 01:39 .

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Again? Poor lex0r.

Don't worry, it's online again!

Just hosting the IT banner in my sig on my photobucket account has used up 8.2 GB of my monthly 10 GB, which surprised me.

[Drift Avalii]

SubAstris wrote...

His trauma doesn't get to the extent that he is incapable to live, but it nonetheless something which affects him subconsciously, hence the dreams. It is pretty common in literature.

You are missing the point here, so please listen to someone who has received extensive education on the subject. Literature and medical knowledge do not necessarily match. Or do you believe that the world is flat? That was written about a lot...

The trauma of losing his friends may well cause nightmares. But as someone else pointed out, given the extent of his losses it would be beyond unlikely that the focus of his attention is an unknown child. If as a soldier who has been to war zones they had never seen a child die before, I would be surprised. Therefore if it is loss of those close to him and the destruction on Earth which is causing trauma, he would not be focusing on a child.

And please, PLEASE find something better to back up a disagreement provided with proof and an educational background than the highbrow equivalent of 'some bloke down the pub told me...'


@SalientArcher, thanks :-) it's a very interesting subject, as stress can have an incredible amount of different physical and psychological effects on the body!

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Again? Poor lex0r.

Don't worry, it's online again!

Just hosting the IT banner in my sig on my photobucket account has used up 8.2 GB of my monthly 10 GB, which surprised me.

Quick Tip of the Month: Did you know...
By deleting unnecessary content from your account you can significantly reduce monthly usage.

Maybe you should consider off-loading somethings you no longer need from your account.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 01:52 .

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

[...]

Just hosting the IT banner in my sig on my photobucket account has used up 8.2 GB of my monthly 10 GB, which surprised me.

Well, your first posts in the two threads should get alot of views I imagine.

Or to put it this way.



I dug my own grave with all those motivationals..

paxxton wrote...

[...]

Quick Tip of the Month: Did you know...
By deleting unnecessary content from your account you can significantly reduce monthly usage.

Oh, okay. You go find something "unnecessary" in my galleries.
Kidding.

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 juin 2012 - 01:50 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

byne wrote...

ME1:
Colonist/Sole Survivor
Killed Wrex
Let Kirrahe die
Let Kaidan die
Killed Rachni Queen
Killed entire Feros colony, Shiala included
Killed Balak, let hostages die
Let Council die

ME2:
Normandy is destroyed. Pressly and 20 other crewmembers die
Shepard dies
Let Kal'Reegar die
Let Garrus kill Sidonis
Let Mordin kill Maelon, destroyed genophage data
Let Jack kill Aresh
Destroyed geth heretics
Killed turian politician on Thane's loyalty mission
Made Jacob's dad kill himself
Killed Samara, recruited Morinth
Left Zaeed to burn to death
Waited long enough that the entire crew got killed at the Collector Base
Didnt send anyone to escort Chakwas, she died too.
Only Mordin and Legion survived Suicide Mission

ME3:
Child I have never met before dies.
Sabotaged Genophage by shooting Mordin. (Coulda talked him out of since Wreav led and Eve was dead, but that would have been one less death)
Salarian councilor got killed in front of me
Killed Ashley
Killed Samara's daughter
Did geth consensus mission to kill an entire city's equivalent of geth
Killed the quarians.
Legion dies
Lost Thessia

After all those deaths, who am I dreaming of in the dream right before assaulting TIM's base? The damned child.

I refuse to believe that Shepard is somehow more attached to a random child than she is to any of the friends she's lost, or that the child dying is what would cause her PTSD.

Also, there are more deaths I didnt include, but I typed out a full list once and then accidentally closed the tab, so I typed out an abbreviated list, which is still pretty damned long.

Thanks for that write up.

Also I have a question for all those Anti-IT saying the child is the face of humanity. Well taht si all well and good, but what the hell does the end of the thrid dream mean in that context?

Shepard sees himself burn alongside the child while smiling, what does that mean to the litteralists?
Shepard is afraid he is
gonna die with humanity or that he cant save them? Probably not because
then he would not be smiling.<_<
Shepard is happy to die alongside humanity? Yeah right...

Flames in dreams are generally asociated with warnings, destruction or purification, guidance.

Now what could seeing yourself on flames possibly mean in this regard? Purification? From what? Also the dreams are not shone in any positive light at all except for Shepards smile at the end. It is dark and barren.

Under such conditions flames would usualy be seen as negative, meaning destruction or warning...combine that with the fact that the flames consume Shepard and the child and the implications become clear.

Why is Shepard smiling then? That can be seen as Shepard is not aware on the counscious level of the danger he is walking into.

Also fun thing do you litteralist know the implications of a Dobbleganger in a dream, like in the third dream? A Doppleganger can be a reflection of your negative actions and is often a omen of doom, even your own death if the doppleganger i yourself.

If Bioware simply wnated to show Shepard was affected by the evnts around him, a single or three different nightmares would be more realistic, but when a person has the same nightmare 3 times there are depper underlying reasons and for a person like Shepard who has faced death on an almost daily basis, even harsh death something triggering such nightmares would be no small thing.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 19 juin 2012 - 02:05 .

[paxxton]

@byne: I didn't let Kirrahe die. At least in my first playthrough.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[Drift Avalii]

@Subastris

I realise that may have been a bit unfair on you,, so let me give you a personal example of the nightmare situation. 

A year ago, my sister killed herself. Now, for someone like me with a very quiet, humble background and no really significant life events bar a brush with appendicitis, that was deeply, deeply traumatic. 

The same week when I went home to help with identification and other things, I discovered an old school friend had been killed in a car crash on the same day. 

I had nightmares for months, and periodically still have them. But I didn't have nightmares about the old school friend who I barely knew any more, I had nightmares about my sister. 

I realise this example is very far from perfect, but I hope it begins to show you why the focus of someone who is traumatised is on the impacting aspect of the trauma itself, not a by-product. In this case if the Reaper attack on Earth had been the trigger as you suggest, by rights Shep should have been having nightmares about the attack. 

I hope that helps your understanding of the point I'm making here. I'm not trying to put you down, simply explain my thoughts on why I believe Shep's dreams are not a natural response to trauma. Particularly the third dream, which is just mental.

Modifié par Drift Avalii, 19 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[Rifneno]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

You saw Bailey get the obligatory shot to the shoulder that no one ever dies from in fiction while every other C-sec in the area, every single one, was outright killed. That idea is staying up late. It's earned it. Bailey surviving while everyone else was meat could be plot armor but it could also be because they didn't want to cast undue suspicion on him by having him unwounded. So they gave him a minor wound to make it look real. They told us time and again that this was an inside job. And not just on a "gave them security clearance to enter" level, but also on a "several corpses appeared to have been gunned down from behind by someone they didn't perceive as a threat in the office" level. Doesn't sound like Udina's MO. Then you're treated to video wall advertisements of "Are you right for a job in internal affairs?" while chasing after Kei Leng. Bailey links omnitools with Shepard to keep Shepard updated. Or to keep tabs on him and keep Leng informed? Oh, and remember how we all talked about gun symbolism? Bailey is using a paladin, a ridiculously expensive firearm that's only otherwise used by Henry Lawson. And again, look back at ME2. Bailey was torturing suspects, taking bribes, and Cerberus literally tells you they want to recruit him after he shows a lot of concern over anti-human racism.

Is this a very solid case like IT? No, it could very reasonably all be coincidence. But I'm sure as hell not turning my back on Bailey anytime soon.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

@byne: I didn't let Kirrahe die. At least in my first playthrough.

I didnt say you did, and I didnt either, the playthrough I listed was my worst playthrough, where I actually thought ahead before starting and had a list of everyone I needed to kill, and how to do it. It was not my first playthrough, it was actually one of my most recent ones.

It was my worst on purpose, not my worst because I didnt know what I was doing.

Modifié par byne, 19 juin 2012 - 02:08 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@byne: I didn't let Kirrahe die. At least in my first playthrough.

I didnt say you did, and I didnt either, the playthrough I listed was my worst playthrough, where I actually thought ahead before starting and had a list of everyone I needed to kill, and how to do it. It was not my first playthrough, it was actually one of my most recent ones.

It was my worst on purpose, not my worst because I didnt know what I was doing.

I didn't say you said that I did.  Just sayin' he survived Virmire in my first playthrough.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 02:12 .

[ezzidio]

I' m currently replaying ME2 and I'm noticing a lot of things when looking at it in an IT stance.

The beam to the citadel, could that be a direct mention on "Ascendance" by Harby in ME2? 


I'm not sure if someone as mentioned this already, but these ME2 Harby trash talk quotes seem to foreshadow IT as if Shepard was slowly being indoctrinated through out ME2...

“You do not yet comprehend your place in things.” The Reapers have a special purpose for Shepard that he will fulfill if they successfully indoctrinate him (HellishFiend's Opinion on this quote)

“We are the Harbinger of your perfection.” Indoctrination of Shepard to achieve what the Reapers see as perfection? The Synthesis ending?  

“You are ignorant, we are knowing.” Of the indoctrination and the future

“We are the Harbinger of your ascendance.” Play on words for the beam to the Citadel

“You have merely delayed the inevitable.” Indoctrination and invasion

“The experiments will continue, Shepard.” Experiments on his psyche? Dreams in ME3

“Take what is useful, destroy the rest.” nothing here

“Progress cannot be halted.” Progress of indoctrination?

“We are the Harbinger of your destiny.” Attempting to guide Shepard through Indoctrination?

Just taking a stab at some things..

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


Ohai, guys!

Don't know what else to do, photobucket account is down.

Again? Poor lex0r.

Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Nooooooo! *Curls up in th corner and rocks*

Don't worry, it's online again!

It's so hypnotic......

[Rosewind]

Rifneno wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I just saw Bailey get shot by Cerberus troops as I landed on the Citadel via shuttle, so let's put that idea to bed.

You saw Bailey get the obligatory shot to the shoulder that no one ever dies from in fiction while every other C-sec in the area, every single one, was outright killed. That idea is staying up late. It's earned it. Bailey surviving while everyone else was meat could be plot armor but it could also be because they didn't want to cast undue suspicion on him by having him unwounded. So they gave him a minor wound to make it look real. They told us time and again that this was an inside job. And not just on a "gave them security clearance to enter" level, but also on a "several corpses appeared to have been gunned down from behind by someone they didn't perceive as a threat in the office" level. Doesn't sound like Udina's MO. Then you're treated to video wall advertisements of "Are you right for a job in internal affairs?" while chasing after Kei Leng. Bailey links omnitools with Shepard to keep Shepard updated. Or to keep tabs on him and keep Leng informed? Oh, and remember how we all talked about gun symbolism? Bailey is using a paladin, a ridiculously expensive firearm that's only otherwise used by Henry Lawson. And again, look back at ME2. Bailey was torturing suspects, taking bribes, and Cerberus literally tells you they want to recruit him after he shows a lot of concern over anti-human racism.

Is this a very solid case like IT? No, it could very reasonably all be coincidence. But I'm sure as hell not turning my back on Bailey anytime soon.

I still think it the holy plot armour they keep giving out....

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The Sounds of Possession

Ah, yes. "Infrasonic noise". Sounds allegedly used by the Reapers to indoctrinate. We have dismissed that claim.

Pulling up some random sounds and songs I can only say it's nothing unusual.
Example:
Random track from BSG
Random voice from Tiberium Wars (GDI Mammoth Tank)
Random generated sound from Tiberium Wars (building placement of Scrin structure)
Random real life (wind) sound from Tiberium Wars

You missed this post, didnt you? 

Next time do all the homework before using your air quotes and dismissing claims. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 19 juin 2012 - 02:43 .

[SubAstris]

Drift Avalii wrote...

@Subastris

I realise that may have been a bit unfair on you,, so let me give you a personal example of the nightmare situation. 

A year ago, my sister killed herself. Now, for someone like me with a very quiet, humble background and no really significant life events bar a brush with appendicitis, that was deeply, deeply traumatic. 

The same week when I went home to help with identification and other things, I discovered an old school friend had been killed in a car crash on the same day. 

I had nightmares for months, and periodically still have them. But I didn't have nightmares about the old school friend who I barely knew any more, I had nightmares about my sister. 

I realise this example is very far from perfect, but I hope it begins to show you why the focus of someone who is traumatised is on the impacting aspect of the trauma itself, not a by-product. In this case if the Reaper attack on Earth had been the trigger as you suggest, by rights Shep should have been having nightmares about the attack. 

I hope that helps your understanding of the point I'm making here. I'm not trying to put you down, simply explain my thoughts on why I believe Shep's dreams are not a natural response to trauma. Particularly the third dream, which is just mental.

I'm sorry for that, and undoubtedly you are right when it comes to the details of PTSD on which I am not very familiar. I am just trying to think about why BW would put the dream in. To me, who doesn't know the ins and outs of psychological damage related to trauma (and I am likely in the very large majority in this regard), Shepard's dreams are an apt of showing that the deaths of his crew members and others are affecting him. I find it more likely that BW is appealing to these people instead of being 100% correct with the scientific facts in this instance.

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

@Subastris

I realise that may have been a bit unfair on you,, so let me give you a personal example of the nightmare situation. 

A year ago, my sister killed herself. Now, for someone like me with a very quiet, humble background and no really significant life events bar a brush with appendicitis, that was deeply, deeply traumatic. 

The same week when I went home to help with identification and other things, I discovered an old school friend had been killed in a car crash on the same day. 

I had nightmares for months, and periodically still have them. But I didn't have nightmares about the old school friend who I barely knew any more, I had nightmares about my sister. 

I realise this example is very far from perfect, but I hope it begins to show you why the focus of someone who is traumatised is on the impacting aspect of the trauma itself, not a by-product. In this case if the Reaper attack on Earth had been the trigger as you suggest, by rights Shep should have been having nightmares about the attack. 

I hope that helps your understanding of the point I'm making here. I'm not trying to put you down, simply explain my thoughts on why I believe Shep's dreams are not a natural response to trauma. Particularly the third dream, which is just mental.

I'm sorry for that, and undoubtedly you are right when it comes to the details of PTSD on which I am not very familiar. I am just trying to think about why BW would put the dream in. To me, who doesn't know the ins and outs of psychological damage related to trauma (and I am likely in the very large majority in this regard), Shepard's dreams are an apt of showing that the deaths of his crew members and others are affecting him. I find it more likely that BW is appealing to these people instead of being 100% correct with the scientific facts in this instance.

If they were just taking artistic license with how PTSD works, why put the asari with the correct PTSD symptoms in Huerta Memorial Hospital, clearly indicating they knew how it actually worked?