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[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Here's a video of it, if you need a link.

Also: as a bonus, Hillary, the farm girl on Tiptree who wants to be a pilot that the asari is talking about? She's Joker's sister.

I listened to that story. Horrifying. Why this mission wasn't in the game? Huh!

Not only is it horrifying, but once I connected the dots and realized that it was Joker's sister (and subsequently the rest of his family...they seem to get forgotten), those wave of emotions break on your psyche once again.  Grief for Joker, guilt b/c I didn't do anythign to stop it, anger at the Reapers, etc...

It kind of sucks you cant mention it to Joker. I know it'd make him sad, but at least he'd have closure.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Here's a video of it, if you need a link.

Also: as a bonus, Hillary, the farm girl on Tiptree who wants to be a pilot that the asari is talking about? She's Joker's sister.

I listened to that story. Horrifying. Why this mission wasn't in the game? Huh!

Not only is it horrifying, but once I connected the dots and realized that it was Joker's sister (and subsequently the rest of his family...they seem to get forgotten), those wave of emotions break on your psyche once again.  Grief for Joker, guilt b/c I didn't do anythign to stop it, anger at the Reapers, etc...

The worst part is almost that you have to connect the dots yourself. It makes it so much more powerful as the horrifying truth strikes you

And people say Bioware cant be subtle....

[saber00005]

Bioware said it themselves that they aren't changing the ending. As MUCH AS I WANT THIS TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I don't think they would fold in and allow it. I want to see the extended cut, but I don't because I don't want to feel the same way, as I did, when I beaten the game for the first time. VERY DEPRESSING...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

Only 100 pages and a dragon will eat the world!

Well if I have to go, might as well be eaten by my favorite fantasy creature :wizard:

[byne]

saber00005 wrote...

Bioware said it themselves that they aren't changing the ending. As MUCH AS I WANT THIS TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I don't think they would fold in and allow it.

You're working from the assumption that IT wasnt the original plan.

If IT was the original plan, explaining it wouldnt be changing the endings. It'd just be extending them.

Like, an extended cut or somethi-- oh wait!

Modifié par byne, 19 juin 2012 - 03:29 .

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Here's a video of it, if you need a link.

Also: as a bonus, Hillary, the farm girl on Tiptree who wants to be a pilot that the asari is talking about? She's Joker's sister.

I listened to that story. Horrifying. Why this mission wasn't in the game? Huh!

Not only is it horrifying, but once I connected the dots and realized that it was Joker's sister (and subsequently the rest of his family...they seem to get forgotten), those wave of emotions break on your psyche once again.  Grief for Joker, guilt b/c I didn't do anythign to stop it, anger at the Reapers, etc...

It kind of sucks you cant mention it to Joker. I know it'd make him sad, but at least he'd have closure.

I head canon that Shep makes the decision not to tell Joker b/c he does not want to take his hope away...just another example of how my Shep is trying not only to save the galaxy, but shoulder the enitre weight of it...feel like it gives some more strength to the whole you are more stressed than ever before thing...

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...


It kind of sucks you cant mention it to Joker. I know it'd make him sad, but at least he'd have closure.

I head canon that Shep makes the decision not to tell Joker b/c he does not want to take his hope away..

The same reason my Shep told that one krogan that there were  fish on the Presidium!

[D.Sharrah]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Here's a video of it, if you need a link.

Also: as a bonus, Hillary, the farm girl on Tiptree who wants to be a pilot that the asari is talking about? She's Joker's sister.

I listened to that story. Horrifying. Why this mission wasn't in the game? Huh!

Not only is it horrifying, but once I connected the dots and realized that it was Joker's sister (and subsequently the rest of his family...they seem to get forgotten), those wave of emotions break on your psyche once again.  Grief for Joker, guilt b/c I didn't do anythign to stop it, anger at the Reapers, etc...

The worst part is almost that you have to connect the dots yourself. It makes it so much more powerful as the horrifying truth strikes you

And people say Bioware cant be subtle....

I know...I just don't get how people can think that the writer's that came up with some of this stuff that literally had me fighting back tears and feeling righteuos anger (along with a bevy of other emotions) all at the same time...could ever be called "bad" or "lazy".

Edit:  In fact, I think that this is why I haven't tried to do another full playthrough in awhile - its emotionally taxing and I haven't quite recovered from last one just yet.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 19 juin 2012 - 03:37 .

[D.Sharrah]

Shameless self promotion...want to make sure that as many people as possible see this...

D.Sharrah wrote...

First...it looks like there was some good discussion after I went to bed last night...kudos to all involved. That being said, I am not going to try to read the pages I missed to try to catch up. Which means if what I bring up again in this post has been talked to death, I do apologize, And without further ado...

Last night I very briefly mentioned something that was bothering me about one of the things from the "Final Hours" App. It was a statement that suggested that during the final hours of production Bioware made a decision to pull th plug on a game mechanic that they had been working on. Of course I am referring to the idea that they were considering IT all along and they had a game mechanic where we the players would "lose control of Shepard". The app goes onto to say that they pulled the plug on this gameplay mechanic because they (Bioware) were having trouble finding a way to implement this along with their conventional dialogue system.

It would seem on the surface that this is a rather valid observation. And is often used by Anti-IT'ers as "evidence" that IT can't be true. As many have pointed out this is quite silly in its own right, because they are misinterperting what the app says. The app says that the game mechanic was scrapped - and they take that to mean that IT was scrapped. They are extrapolating from the given data to come to a conclusion, that may very well be wrong. And no matter what we say, they don't want to admit that they might be wrong. It could be enough to stop there, but I think this deserves more attention.

Getting back to the game mechanic being scrapped statement, is this true? This point is what I brought up last night - I asked if the confrontation with TIM could be viewed as an in game example of what this mechanic would look like. And the one answer that I saw (and again I apologize if there were more answers later), was maybe. I don't remember exactly who stated it (BatmanTurian?) or what the exact words were, but it was something like, "It was supposed to be Harbinger, but maybe they changed it to TIM". Again, this could be a fair enough point to stop, but if we do then we could miss how it actually fits into how they designed that sequence and the entire game.

First of all, assuming that we are right about IT and that the TIM confrontation is an example of the mechanic in question - then that sequence is about indoctrination. And when interperting what we see from the viewpoint, then TIM is not the one exerting control - but it is the Reapers (most likely Harbinger as the culprit who is doing the indoctrinating). Following IT, then we know what we perceive as TIM's space magic control of Shep - is actually the Reapers twisting Shep's perception in their attempt to indoctrinate him.

But were still not done. The app clearly states that the mechanic was tossed out of the game because Bioware was having trouble figuring out a way to implement the mechanic without compromising the dialogue system. What if rather than tossing out the "lose control" mechanic, they changed the dialogue system so that it would fit better? I know one of the big complaints when the game came out was the rampant use of auto-dialogue. People felt that it took control away from them, didn't give them the choice that they once had (and I don't think that those feelings are wrong). But what if it was done throughout the entire game, so that when we get to this watershed moment - it didn't stick out.

I know that we have tried to interpret all the pre-release clues in different ways - and I am not sure that we have them completely nailed down yet. But is it possible that the "red herring" is the "Final Hours" app? And that we were meant to misinterpret the information presented or take it for granted that it was "truth"...all so that we were thrown off the IT trail?

Sorry for the wall of text (hope that is formatted so it is an easier read). Please read and let me know what you think.

[D.Sharrah]

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

[saber00005]

byne wrote...

saber00005 wrote...

Bioware said it themselves that they aren't changing the ending. As MUCH AS I WANT THIS TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I don't think they would fold in and allow it.

You're working from the assumption that IT wasnt the original plan.

If IT was the original plan, explaining it wouldnt be changing the endings. It'd just be extending them.

Like, an extended cut or somethi-- oh wait!

I really hope so. But I don't know. I just don't see this happening. I hope you ALL prove me wrong, I would be SO HAPPY to admit it.. It just sucks waiting..

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah, good post! I may be falling behind a bit on offering my thoughts on posts because of my work on my next video, but I'm going to try to catch up on them when I can. I'll PM you if you're not around when I respond.

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

It was pretty interesting, but I dont really think I know enough about sound and audio to fully appreciate it.

[D.Sharrah]

saber00005 wrote...

byne wrote...

saber00005 wrote...

Bioware said it themselves that they aren't changing the ending. As MUCH AS I WANT THIS TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I don't think they would fold in and allow it.

You're working from the assumption that IT wasnt the original plan.

If IT was the original plan, explaining it wouldnt be changing the endings. It'd just be extending them.

Like, an extended cut or somethi-- oh wait!

I really hope so. But I don't know. I just don't see this happening. I hope you ALL prove me wrong, I would be SO HAPPY to admit it.. It just sucks waiting..

I think that you will find that most of us that are here in this topic are pretty optimistic about what the EC will reveal...that being said (even though I want IT to be true), as long as Bioware delivers a truly epic expierence with the EC, it won't matter if IT is true or not (at least for me).

[HellishFiend]

saber00005 wrote...

byne wrote...

saber00005 wrote...

Bioware said it themselves that they aren't changing the ending. As MUCH AS I WANT THIS TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I don't think they would fold in and allow it.

You're working from the assumption that IT wasnt the original plan.

If IT was the original plan, explaining it wouldnt be changing the endings. It'd just be extending them.

Like, an extended cut or somethi-- oh wait!

I really hope so. But I don't know. I just don't see this happening. I hope you ALL prove me wrong, I would be SO HAPPY to admit it.. It just sucks waiting..

If it's any consolation, sometimes I envy the people that dont see it coming or find it doubtful. Bioware's talent for dramatic flair makes me think that the people unaware/unfamiliar with IT (which is the vast majority outside of BSN, really), are going to have their jaws on the floor when EC comes out. For us IT believers, its probably going to be more of a celebration, which isnt quite as powerful. But it's worth it to me personally to sacrifice that, since I'm really enjoying the speculation. 

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah, good post! I may be falling behind a bit on offering my thoughts on posts because of my work on my next video, but I'm going to try to catch up on them when I can. I'll PM you if you're not around when I respond.

Thanks Hellish!  And please don't stop working on the video on my account - I am looking forward to seeing whatever it is!

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

It was pretty interesting, but I dont really think I know enough about sound and audio to fully appreciate it.

Same here...but it is hard not to see it is a huge piece of evidence for IT!

[Corik]

Just finished ME1 again. Seeing those creepy 1M1 thingies on my way to the top of the tower is... well, I don't know. What are those? Cannons? I can't think of anything else they could be. If they are cannons... why are they INSIDE the Citadel in ME3? I'm currently more convinced about the whole place being constructed by Shepard's memory. Oh well... this never ends xD

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

It was pretty interesting, but I dont really think I know enough about sound and audio to fully appreciate it.

Let me know if there is anything I can say to help explain it. I tried fitting as much exposition as I could without overextending it and losing viewers, but I can certainly expound on it here if it would help you appreciate it. 

At the very least though, rest assured that it's legit, regardless of what anyone says. I promise you that. Some of the minor details may be off in my video (TSA pointed out that I circled the wrong area in one of the Coats screenshots), but the presence of intentional infrasound has been confirmed through pitch shifting. 

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

saber00005 wrote...

byne wrote...

saber00005 wrote...

Bioware said it themselves that they aren't changing the ending. As MUCH AS I WANT THIS TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, I don't think they would fold in and allow it.

You're working from the assumption that IT wasnt the original plan.

If IT was the original plan, explaining it wouldnt be changing the endings. It'd just be extending them.

Like, an extended cut or somethi-- oh wait!

I really hope so. But I don't know. I just don't see this happening. I hope you ALL prove me wrong, I would be SO HAPPY to admit it.. It just sucks waiting..

If it's any consolation, sometimes I envy the people that dont see it coming or find it doubtful. Bioware's talent for dramatic flair makes me think that the people unaware/unfamiliar with IT (which is the vast majority outside of BSN, really), are going to have their jaws on the floor when EC comes out. For us IT believers, its probably going to be more of a celebration, which isnt quite as powerful. But it's worth it to me personally to sacrifice that, since I'm really enjoying the speculation. 

I get what you are saying...but I still expect to be surprised a little bit by exactly how they "lift the veil".  I just wish we would get the EC already (not that I want them to rush it)...the waiting is killing me!

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

Just finished ME1 again. Seeing those creepy 1M1 thingies on my way to the top of the tower is... well, I don't know. What are those? Cannons? I can't think of anything else they could be. If they are cannons... why are they INSIDE the Citadel in ME3? I'm currently more convinced about the whole place being constructed by Shepard's memory. Oh well... this never ends xD

They are antennas (grammar folk, antennas is proper plural when referring to mechanics instead of biology). And IMO, they have no business being where they are when we see them in ME3. 

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

It was pretty interesting, but I dont really think I know enough about sound and audio to fully appreciate it.

Same here...but it is hard not to see it is a huge piece of evidence for IT!

Especially the presence of infrasound while Coats appears in the scenes. They vanish as soon as he leaves the area.

[Corik]

paxxton wrote...

Especially the presence of infrasound while Coats appears in the scenes. They vanish as soon as he leaves the area.

Maybe he has an infrasound emitter device in his pocket to keep bugs and mosquitoes away from him.

Modifié par Corik, 19 juin 2012 - 03:55 .

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

It was pretty interesting, but I dont really think I know enough about sound and audio to fully appreciate it.

Let me know if there is anything I can say to help explain it. I tried fitting as much exposition as I could without overextending it and losing viewers, but I can certainly expound on it here if it would help you appreciate it. 

At the very least though, rest assured that it's legit, regardless of what anyone says. I promise you that. Some of the minor details may be off in my video (TSA pointed out that I circled the wrong area in one of the Coats screenshots), but the presence of intentional infrasound has been confirmed through pitch shifting. 

If Byne is anything like me, then its not that its not understood - just not understood enough that we would ever have a chance at explaining it to someone else...if that makes sense at all.

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Byne - I probably missed this...but what did you think of Hellish's infrasound vid?

It was pretty interesting, but I dont really think I know enough about sound and audio to fully appreciate it.

Let me know if there is anything I can say to help explain it. I tried fitting as much exposition as I could without overextending it and losing viewers, but I can certainly expound on it here if it would help you appreciate it. 

At the very least though, rest assured that it's legit, regardless of what anyone says. I promise you that. Some of the minor details may be off in my video (TSA pointed out that I circled the wrong area in one of the Coats screenshots), but the presence of intentional infrasound has been confirmed through pitch shifting. 

If Byne is anything like me, then its not that its not understood - just not understood enough that we would ever have a chance at explaining it to someone else...if that makes sense at all.

Yeah, I'd probly just end up talking about hearing sounds that you cant actually hear, but that are totally there, and seeming crazy.

It'd be like one of those zen riddles:

Q: What is the sound of sound you cannot hear?

A:

Modifié par byne, 19 juin 2012 - 03:58 .