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[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

Proof for the Galactic Intoxication Theory:

" ...a certain tokin' Turian..."

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 06:20 .

[Eryri]

Vox Draco wrote...

Hello, I'd like to ask a question about ME2. I don't know if it has any relevance to IT, and surely it was discussed to death already at some point, but if so then I have missed it....like so many other things!

Harbinger's voice in ME2. Playing through it the first times I never thought much about it. I always assumed it is inside Shepard's mind and that nobody else actually heard it. That it was not "spoken" by Harbinger directly, but "projected" into my Shepards mind as well as to his collector-cronies?

At least I can't remember if anyone of the squaddies ever reacted to what he says, or comments on it. But then it is quite a long time ago I played ME2. Do they (the characters ingame) even mention Harbinger by name? He plops up so often and keeps mocking us, do the squaddies/Shepard/TIM ever refer to Harbinger at some point?

Maybe I had the totally wrong impression all along, but really, I always thought Harbinger spoke exclusively to Shepard in her head...which...makes me think...? if anyone can satisfy my curiousity, thanks in advance!

Hi, sorry to be late chiming in with this. The only time I remember anyone else in ME3 referring to Harbinger by name is on the Citadel when you talk to Joker at the bar. I think Shepard teases Joker about having a thing for synthetics and Joker replies along the lines of "Well I wasn't planning on dating Harbinger!" or something. 

Modifié par Eryri, 19 juin 2012 - 06:23 .

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Destroy

Synthetics v Organics
Sacrifice

Geth v Quarians
Genophage Cure

Synthesis

Transhumanism
"Diversity vs. Absolute Unity"
Sacrifice

Shep's Implants
EDI's Evolution
Genophage Cure

Control

Sacrifice
Synthetics v Organics
"Diversity vs Absolute Unity"

Geth v Quarians
"The Splinter Group" (Cerberus/Prothean Splinter)

That's what I have so far...

Good so far. You could add in the Batarian Slavers to control. Some of the worst offenders. Slavery in general pops up and most of the time is shown as reprehensible.

EDIs evolution also falls under Destroy as Starbinger claims all Synthetic tech will be destroyed.

Biodiversity vs. Uniformity argument backed up by Javik on cultural and doctrine differences being advantages. Synthesis causes stagnation and is counter to evolution.

Thanks, if you have anything else to add to it, please let me know! Looking for as much as I can get. 

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

God, I knew SubAstris would come into this thread and the first thing out of his mouth when looking at the infrasonic video would be " PTSD". God, you are so predictable, SA.

Even when shown compelling evidence, You go purposefully obtuse, ignore the evidence, and just end up looking like you're in denial. This is why I don't have debates with you anymore. You ignore whatever's in front of you and refuse to concede evidence.

I am debating the evidence, not ignoring it, just because I don't agree with some of the conclusions made doesn't mean I am actively evading it. You better have a look at my comments again if you truly think I have evaded the evidence. Your definition of "compelling" must be different to mine. Feel free to say where I have gone so desperately wrong.

Furthermore, I don't even remember bringing up "PTSD", I'm pretty sure it was someone else

Modifié par SubAstris, 19 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[Eryri]

Vox Draco wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Vox Draco: You should put a link in your sig to the ME4 concept you presented some time ago. It was really good. You know, the one about Shepard reliving his life in his twisted mind.

Explain this to me shorthand.

Actually not my thoughts on a possible ME4, yet merely a possible expansion of ME3...

A focal point of IT is the "choose destroy to free yourself from indoctrination"-element. I have no problems with Shepard waking up from the rubble in London and continue the fight, but jsut because she shot a tube in a dream? I think it should be harder, and more interesting. A true battle in Shepard's mind, and the destroy-option is only the first step in the right direction.
Just imagine: After you shot the tube and have endured the nonsensical Normandy-chase you wake up. No, not in London, and you don't "really" wake up.
You are on the colony of Mindoir. Or in the slums on Earth. Or on an Alliance Starship/Spacestation. And as a younger version of Shepard (or if this is technically impossible, and because it is still a "dream", keep your Shepard as old as s/he is, would only add to the surrealism) you fight your way through a distorted, twisted version of your past, depending on your shepard's background.
I could see two or three "chapters" until you broke free:
First your early past, mostly without any combat, but more dialogue, more interaction and avoiding conflict, or using renegade/paragon-interrupts when violence is needed, or a quick escape.
On Mindoir, you witness the atrocities of the Batarian slavers, see how your people are killed and abducted, you feel the helplessness of your Shepard as all s/he can do is stay alive. And all of this with a Reaper-twist, like huskified Batarians instead of real ones, or something like this.
On Earth, you would be confronted with crime, gang-fights and survival at the bottom of society.
On the Alliance Spaceship, I could see something like a training-ground where you practice for future Alliance-memebership, to make your parents etc proud, and you are confronted with all the pressure that is laid upon Shepard shoulders. And I would love to see Hannah Shepard in person for the first time...though in a nightmarish version, like a Banshee...
Next chapter: More combat-oriented, as we would join Shepard in her/his assignments that cemented his/her reputation...
You fight in the Skyllian Blitz.
You try to survive the terrible onslaught of the Thresher-Maws on Akuze
You infiltrate and sacrifice your entire squad to destroy the Batarian Base on Torfan
A last chapter could be the same for any Shepard. A mission from ME1 would be cool. Maybe the suicide mission on Virmire, though this time you are confronted with different/altered results and choices to make (your LI might play a major role here...)
The point of all this would be to have Shepard really fight her way out of indoctrination. All chapters would force you to make decisions, and the Reapers would try their best to lure you away from your path. You would have to stick to your goals, and be true to your paragon/renegade self (though, to be fair, this would only make the final confrontation easier, but not impossible if you make some "wrong" decisions...)

By the way, I really like this idea of exploring Shepard's past. Especially as there would be different versions to play through which would make the origin stories much more meaningful.

[EpyonX3]

TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

So how many organs did you sell to get that? lol

Good job though I'm sure it will crush anything you give it.

I justify it to myself as a bitcoin mining rig - if things stay as they are it will pay itself off in about 11 months
But yeah, originally I was going to go even more insane with this, but I think I've reached my own personal limit of financial insanity...

I looked into bitcoins before. Does that actually work in terms of getting real money out of it? And where do you get coins from?

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

 BT, I need to thank you. That one line of your post, and the resulting idea I had from it, just gave me another absolutely fantastic idea for my video. Thank you! 

You should use the crazy scientist dialog from ME1 as well if you can. Just cut out everything except for his diatribe. I'm convinced he is the one that screwed up the beacon. He knows too much to not have accidentally activated it.

When I was thinking of doing a - "Through the eyes of Ame Shepard' video, his dialoge was going to be the intro.

I still may do it, but my time has been limited due to work and other real world crap.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

 BT, I need to thank you. That one line of your post, and the resulting idea I had from it, just gave me another absolutely fantastic idea for my video. Thank you! 

You should use the crazy scientist dialog from ME1 as well if you can. Just cut out everything except for his diatribe. I'm convinced he is the one that screwed up the beacon. He knows too much to not have accidentally activated it.

When I was thinking of doing a - "Through the eyes of Ame Shepard' video, his dialoge was going to be the intro.

I still may do it, but my time has been limited due to work and other real world crap.

Cant say much without spoiling the topic of the video, but I may be able to work that into one of them, depending on how many I have time for before the EC comes out. 

[nightcobra]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Destroy

Synthetics v Organics
Sacrifice

Geth v Quarians
Genophage Cure

Synthesis

Transhumanism
"Diversity vs. Absolute Unity"
Sacrifice

Shep's Implants
EDI's Evolution
Genophage Cure

Control

Sacrifice
Synthetics v Organics
"Diversity vs Absolute Unity"

Geth v Quarians
"The Splinter Group" (Cerberus/Prothean Splinter)

That's what I have so far...

Good so far. You could add in the Batarian Slavers to control. Some of the worst offenders. Slavery in general pops up and most of the time is shown as reprehensible.

EDIs evolution also falls under Destroy as Starbinger claims all Synthetic tech will be destroyed.

Biodiversity vs. Uniformity argument backed up by Javik on cultural and doctrine differences being advantages. Synthesis causes stagnation and is counter to evolution.

Thanks, if you have anything else to add to it, please let me know! Looking for as much as I can get. 

on synthesis i think perspective is key.

it is my belief that what we see in synthesis is what this plan would look like from a human's perspective

however, once we see it through someone else's perspective...

point 1 - who brought up this plan? the catalyst

point 2 - the catalyst claims to control the reapers and refers to itself and the reapers as being of the same "faction" so to speak

point 3 - knowing this, we can then ask the question "what is synthesis to the catalyst?" then this becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to the catalyst?" and finally it becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper?"

point 4 - nazara/sovereign answered this in ME1, the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper IS a reaper. 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 19 juin 2012 - 06:32 .

[TJBartlemus]

The Reapers are real!!!

Why can't people just stop messing with our minds?!?!?

[HellishFiend]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Destroy

Synthetics v Organics
Sacrifice

Geth v Quarians
Genophage Cure

Synthesis

Transhumanism
"Diversity vs. Absolute Unity"
Sacrifice

Shep's Implants
EDI's Evolution
Genophage Cure

Control

Sacrifice
Synthetics v Organics
"Diversity vs Absolute Unity"

Geth v Quarians
"The Splinter Group" (Cerberus/Prothean Splinter)

That's what I have so far...

Good so far. You could add in the Batarian Slavers to control. Some of the worst offenders. Slavery in general pops up and most of the time is shown as reprehensible.

EDIs evolution also falls under Destroy as Starbinger claims all Synthetic tech will be destroyed.

Biodiversity vs. Uniformity argument backed up by Javik on cultural and doctrine differences being advantages. Synthesis causes stagnation and is counter to evolution.

Thanks, if you have anything else to add to it, please let me know! Looking for as much as I can get. 

on synthesis i think perspective is key.

it is my belief that what we see in synthesis is what this plan would look like from a human's perspective

however, once we see it through someone else's perspective...

point 1 - who brought up this plan? the catalyst

point 2 - the catalyst claims to control the reapers and refers to itself and the reapers as being of the same "faction" so to speak

point 3 - knowing this, we can then ask the question "what is synthesis to the catalyst?" then this becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to the catalyst?" and finally it becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper?"

point 4 - nazara/sovereign answered this in ME1, the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper IS a reaper. 

Good info. I'm looking mostly for themes and subplots rather than the individual perspectives on those themes and subplots (that would be a subject in and of itself), but you raise another subplot I hadnt considered. The idea of the Reapers' beliefs as portrayed in ME1 and 2 is really a subplot in and of itself that is mysteriously altered in ME3, at least from Shepard/the Player's perspective. So that subplot as presented in 1 and 2 can possibly be applied to themes that fall under both Control and Synthesis in 3.

Thanks!

Modifié par HellishFiend, 19 juin 2012 - 06:40 .

[TSA_383]

Am I the only one who finds it a little entertaining that the bioware people tasked with making the EC trailer are complaining about how difficult it is to make a trailer for it on twitter?

I wonder why...

EpyonX3 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

So how many organs did you sell to get that? lol

Good job though I'm sure it will crush anything you give it.

I justify it to myself as a bitcoin mining rig - if things stay as they are it will pay itself off in about 11 months
But yeah, originally I was going to go even more insane with this, but I think I've reached my own personal limit of financial insanity...

I looked into bitcoins before. Does that actually work in terms of getting real money out of it? And where do you get coins from?

It does, rather well actually. I bought a lot of my new hardware (two of the 7970s, the motherboard, CPU and CPU cooler) using bitcoin, and I've sold more for cash besides.
I'd recommend bitcointalk.org (the nearest thing to an "official" forum there is) if you want to give it a look, or PM me and I'll show you what you need in order to get started.

Just to warn though, if you're just looking at it as a quick revenue stream you're not going to make much unless you've got ATI gpus, something about Nvidia's architecture makes them a bit crap at the kind of calculations required by the bitcoin network.

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

The Reapers are real!!!

Why can't people just stop messing with our minds?!?!?

Lol, I'm not sure if thats supposed to be serious or satire (only watched the first 30 seconds), but if it's serious, its weak if compared to that deceptive form of narrative in ME3, if IT is true. 

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Destroy

Synthetics v Organics
Sacrifice

Geth v Quarians
Genophage Cure

Synthesis

Transhumanism
"Diversity vs. Absolute Unity"
Sacrifice

Shep's Implants
EDI's Evolution
Genophage Cure

Control

Sacrifice
Synthetics v Organics
"Diversity vs Absolute Unity"

Geth v Quarians
"The Splinter Group" (Cerberus/Prothean Splinter)

That's what I have so far...

Excellent! Thank you!  

Here is a repost of my request for anyone that missed it:

Guys, if anyone would like to jump into the credits for my upcoming video, help me out a bit with this. This is a deep question that requires some thought to be put into the answer, so dont expect an easy-in. 

Ready? Here goes:

List what are, in your opinion, the primary subplots and themes in ME3 (specifically, with regard to the context of IT).
Next, link those subplots to their corresponding theme.
Finally, link those themes to their corresponding decision chamber choice (all 3 of them). 

I'm thinking we should have at least 1 or 2 subplots per theme, and 1 or 2 themes per decision chamber choice.

You dont have to provide every single one, but you have to come up with one I havent already thought of to get credit in the video, so please, the more you can come up with, the better! 

I just wish you could have seen my pyramids and all their glorious colors...I could't even get the text to keep the colors from the standard form...stupid forum.

Edit: Or maybe its stupid me.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 19 juin 2012 - 06:43 .

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

The Reapers are real!!!

Why can't people just stop messing with our minds?!?!?

Lol, I'm not sure if thats supposed to be serious or satire (only watched the first 30 seconds), but if it's serious, its weak if compared to that deceptive form of narrative in ME3, if IT is true. 

It was a joke...

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

I just wish you could have seen my pyramids and all their glorious colors...I could't even get the text to keep the colors from the standard form...stupid forum.

Do you have an image hosting account? If so, just screenshot it and save it as an image, and host it!  If not, you can always send me the doc file and I can do it.

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

The Reapers are real!!!

Why can't people just stop messing with our minds?!?!?

Lol, I'm not sure if thats supposed to be serious or satire (only watched the first 30 seconds), but if it's serious, its weak if compared to that deceptive form of narrative in ME3, if IT is true. 

It was a joke...

The movie? or your post? <_<

[UrgentArchengel]

@TSA

Well, unless they decide to unveil their plans at SDCC w/ this trailer. I doubt they will though, so no wonder it's difficult, using the new stuff and yet, not reveil their little scheme.

[TSA_383]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

on synthesis i think perspective is key.

it is my belief that what we see in synthesis is what this plan would look like from a human's perspective

however, once we see it through someone else's perspective...

point 1 - who brought up this plan? the catalyst

point 2 - the catalyst claims to control the reapers and refers to itself and the reapers as being of the same "faction" so to speak

point 3 - knowing this, we can then ask the question "what is synthesis to the catalyst?" then this becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to the catalyst?" and finally it becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper?"

point 4 - nazara/sovereign answered this in ME1, the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper IS a reaper. 

Well written.

[EpyonX3]

TSA_383 wrote...

Am I the only one who finds it a little entertaining that the bioware people tasked with making the EC trailer are complaining about how difficult it is to make a trailer for it on twitter?

I wonder why...

EpyonX3 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

So how many organs did you sell to get that? lol

Good job though I'm sure it will crush anything you give it.

I justify it to myself as a bitcoin mining rig - if things stay as they are it will pay itself off in about 11 months
But yeah, originally I was going to go even more insane with this, but I think I've reached my own personal limit of financial insanity...

I looked into bitcoins before. Does that actually work in terms of getting real money out of it? And where do you get coins from?

It does, rather well actually. I bought a lot of my new hardware (two of the 7970s, the motherboard, CPU and CPU cooler) using bitcoin, and I've sold more for cash besides.
I'd recommend bitcointalk.org (the nearest thing to an "official" forum there is) if you want to give it a look, or PM me and I'll show you what you need in order to get started.

Just to warn though, if you're just looking at it as a quick revenue stream you're not going to make much unless you've got ATI gpus, something about Nvidia's architecture makes them a bit crap at the kind of calculations required by the bitcoin network.

I'll check it out an will let you know if I have questions thanks for the info!

And I'm in luck. I have two 6850's. Hope that's still good enough.

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

God, I knew SubAstris would come into this thread and the first thing out of his mouth when looking at the infrasonic video would be " PTSD". God, you are so predictable, SA.

Even when shown compelling evidence, You go purposefully obtuse, ignore the evidence, and just end up looking like you're in denial. This is why I don't have debates with you anymore. You ignore whatever's in front of you and refuse to concede evidence.

I am debating the evidence, not ignoring it, just because I don't agree with some of the conclusions made doesn't mean I am actively evading it. You better have a look at my comments again if you truly think I have evaded the evidence. Your definition of "compelling" must be different to mine. Feel free to say where I have gone so desperately wrong.

Furthermore, I don't even remember bringing up "PTSD", I'm pretty sure it was someone else

Yeah it was Raistlin. Apologies.

However, your answer to this evidence, which is tangible, ( we can see the results, where it happens, why it happens, how much more work would be involved to create it despite players never going to hear it) is speculations about the kid based on a misinterpretation of the Final Hours app. It's a weak counterpoint and an example of your inability to concede and judge evidence based on its merits.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 06:50 .

[BatmanTurian]

doublepost

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[paxxton]

FemShep left Kelly to melt in ME2 and stole her dress:
http://www.youtube.c...WBi_7lqp4#t=30s

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

on synthesis i think perspective is key.

it is my belief that what we see in synthesis is what this plan would look like from a human's perspective

however, once we see it through someone else's perspective...

point 1 - who brought up this plan? the catalyst

point 2 - the catalyst claims to control the reapers and refers to itself and the reapers as being of the same "faction" so to speak

point 3 - knowing this, we can then ask the question "what is synthesis to the catalyst?" then this becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to the catalyst?" and finally it becomes "what is the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper?"

point 4 - nazara/sovereign answered this in ME1, the pinnacle of evolution to a reaper IS a reaper. 

Well written.

Thanks for reposting that! That's useful for my purposes too. 

[paxxton]

Isn't Liara lovely after Synthesis?  Melted Kelly is hot too - literally.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 06:52 .