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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#22726
estebanus

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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I just deleted my post and warned other people not to press that link in the other threads my brother spammed them.

But, come on! Do I really seem like the guy who would ****** off his colleagues?


You make bets with the stakes of pissing off your facebook friends, so yes. =]



I guess it's a good thing I use an alias account when it comes to trolling people on facebook...

#22727
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byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Oh, ****! I'm gone for 20 minutes and now this happens!

Ok, I just wanna make clear that that was not me who posted that link.

My
brother is here right now, and I was stupid enough to let myself stay
logged in after picking up the telephone. Apparently, my brother seized
the chance, and posted that crap. He also posted it in the Kai leng
support thread and the control support thread.

On behalf of my
brother and my own stupidity for trusting him not to troll me, I
aplologize and will immediately delete that post.


I, on the other hand, totally just caused you all to click on a close-up picture of banshee genitalia.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]


Yeah, but I already saw that months ago.

I think it was you who tricked me into clicking on it back then, too.

......perhaps :?

MaximizedAction wrote...
That was a good, old fashioned pic.
No flashing, no sound. Just a pic. I'll take 100 banshees over that
stuff...hm, maybe not...but hypothetically I would.

What if I make it into a flashing .swf that plays Rebecca Black?

Anyway, we're miles off topic.
I'm gonna go continue my Vanguard playthrough, and see if I get any interesting screenshots.

#22728
Earthborn_Shepard

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uuuh I love how dramatic it gets in here

*grabs popcorn*
*sniffs silently*

#22729
HellishFiend

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estebanus wrote...

The thing with facebook was because I lost a bet, I already told you that.

However, I can't really prove my innocence, so you'll either have to trust me or not, but I'm sorry you think about me that way. Either way, I'm sorry for having scared a lot of people, and the only thing I really can ask for is forgiveness.

So, will you forgive me, hellishfiend?


You dont require my forgiveness since I'm not really upset, I'm just trying to help you out because I care. And really, blaming a lost bet for doing something improper is just another way of passing blame. If you really care about people's opinions of you, you will always come out ahead by manning up. That's all. :)

#22730
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BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

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God, I knew SubAstris would come into this thread and the first thing out of his mouth when looking at the infrasonic video would be " PTSD". God, you are so predictable, SA.

Even when shown compelling evidence, You go purposefully obtuse, ignore the evidence, and just end up looking like you're in denial. This is why I don't have debates with you anymore. You ignore whatever's in front of you and refuse to concede evidence.


I am debating the evidence, not ignoring it, just because I don't agree with some of the conclusions made doesn't mean I am actively evading it. You better have a look at my comments again if you truly think I have evaded the evidence. Your definition of "compelling" must be different to mine. Feel free to say where I have gone so desperately wrong.

Furthermore, I don't even remember bringing up "PTSD", I'm pretty sure it was someone else

Yeah it was Raistlin. Apologies.

However, your answer to this evidence, which is tangible, ( we can see the results, where it happens, why it happens, how much more work would be involved to create it despite players never going to hear it) is speculations about the kid based on a misinterpretation of the Final Hours app. It's a weak counterpoint and an example of your inability to concede and judge evidence based on its merits.


A misinterpretation? How so exactll?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I've found a video that perfectly describes synthesis!


Well, congratulations estebanus. I'm never clicking a link you post ever again, and I like you slightly less for having posted that.


F*CK YOU BYNE FOR MAKING ME CLICK THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT OTHERWISE
SH*T 


Will I go blind if I click that link? Posted Image


You will wish you had never been born with eyeballs or ears. :mellow:


Don't listen to them...
Click the link...

You will get candy...
And money...

You know you're too curious now not to click on it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 juin 2012 - 07:45 .


#22732
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TJBartlemus wrote...

I found this viedo while browsing and I thought this could help... ^_^

Okay, so the star child has been explained!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=161s

And proof that they purposely put in hidden messages!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=232s



I think I understand what they intended.

Red ending: Do we sacrifce the geth, Edi and all reaper tech including every thing that is based on Reaper tech/Shepard.

Blue ending: Do we sacrifec Shepard's will to fight, the galaxy under Reaper law, and the Normandy.

Green: Do we Sacrifice Shepard, and all of the galaxy's organics so that they all can be Synthetics, and ubtain ever lasting peace that seem's to good to be true, or maybe doom the galaxy.

Basicly what I am saying is what are we willing to do to get the job done, and that's what Bioware wanted us to understand. By picking one of the three chocies you my either save the galaxy but at a price that you may not like to hear about, or you can doom the galaxy but you my come out alive depending on what choice you pick.

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paxxton

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estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I just deleted my post and warned other people not to press that link in the other threads my brother spammed them.

But, come on! Do I really seem like the guy who would ****** off his colleagues?


You make bets with the stakes of pissing off your facebook friends, so yes. =]



I guess it's a good thing I use an alias account when it comes to trolling people on facebook...

LOL. You don't even hide it that you're a troll.

#22734
TJBartlemus

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TJBartlemus wrote...

I found this viedo while browsing and I thought this could help... ^_^

Okay, so the star child has been explained!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=161s

And proof that they purposely put in hidden messages!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=232s



bumping it to get us back on topic...

#22735
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh... what is RvB?


Im Red vs Blue

does Caboose ring a bell to you.:)

#22736
HellishFiend

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Bill Casey wrote...

Don't listen to them...
Click the link...

You will get candy...
And money...


Mr Casey! I'm surprised at you. I thought you were one of the most mature of us.... 

#22737
Earthborn_Shepard

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TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I found this viedo while browsing and I thought this could help... ^_^

Okay, so the star child has been explained!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=161s

And proof that they purposely put in hidden messages!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=232s



bumping it to get us back on topic...


so, are those clickable without getting a severe trauma? I've become veeery careful

#22738
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh... what is RvB?


Red vs Blue, a machinima series set in the Halo universe.

Here is a link to the very first episode.

#22739
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Hi everyone. This is my first time posting, but I've been a lurker here for a while. I just finished the game a couple of days ago and from the moment I entered the Citadel I had the distince impression I was missing something, or something was wrong. Things kept throwing up little red flags, yet oddly enough I completely forgot about it once I met the Catalyst. I initially chose Synthesis so didn't see the "Shepard breathes" scene, and was left after the credits feeling, again, vaguely unsettled. Once I looked into the Indoctrination Theory everything made sense. I find it more plausible that the IT was at least partly Bioware's intention, than the idea that they suddenly lost their minds and wrote a nonsensical, out-of-nowhere ending. Anyway, it's always great to come on here and see all the little clues you guys dig up. There's one thing I've noticed, and I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but when you choose the Destroy option, as you're approaching the tube, does anyone else hear the shrieking of the Beam faintly in the background? Or is it just me?

Also, I was looking at analysis of the "breathes" scene and the rubble surrounding Shepard. While most seeme to agree that it looks like concrete and rebar from London, others pointed out that the Catalyst chamber had wires and tubing that resembled rebar, and some of the architecture could be mistaken for concrete in the right light. I had an idea that maybe this was intentional. We know the final scene was heavily choreographed, which means we have to assume nothing is mere coincidence. Could it be then that the materials of the Catalyst chamber resemble the London rubble because Shepard is still there, and his mind is creating the area out of his surroundings? Others had pointed out more similarities between the chamber and the Beam area which would support this.

Finally, what exactly do you guys think the EC will be? Assuming the IT is correct, will it be explained? Or will the EC extend the indoctrination process, showing us the "consequences" of our choice: Control, Synthesis, or Destroy, at least as they would appear in Shepard's mind. Maybe there would be another hint for those who chose Destroy?

#22740
Vox Draco

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uuuh I love how dramatic it gets in here

*grabs popcorn*
*sniffs silently*


Yes, sometimes I really enjoy lurking this thread...can't wait with what they come up next!...sadly its not in 3D...

and this damn link almost gave me a heart-attack! But its curiosity that killed the cat, nobody else to blame but me...and I wonder what that button does...Posted Image

#22741
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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The thing with facebook was because I lost a bet, I already told you that.

However, I can't really prove my innocence, so you'll either have to trust me or not, but I'm sorry you think about me that way. Either way, I'm sorry for having scared a lot of people, and the only thing I really can ask for is forgiveness.

So, will you forgive me, hellishfiend?


You dont require my forgiveness since I'm not really upset, I'm just trying to help you out because I care. And really, blaming a lost bet for doing something improper is just another way of passing blame. If you really care about people's opinions of you, you will always come out ahead by manning up. That's all. :)



Normally I do apologize for what I said. Remember the normandy crash thread? I made an apology and deleted all of my spam.

Normally I do apologize, but I'm so pissed at my brother right now that I can't even think straight!

#22742
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

so, are those clickable without getting a severe trauma? I've become veeery careful


This thread has only one estebanus. :lol: Remember he was the one who was likened to Peter Griffin ridding the thread of Yogi Bears with violence. 

#22743
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I found this viedo while browsing and I thought this could help... ^_^

Okay, so the star child has been explained!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=161s

And proof that they purposely put in hidden messages!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=232s



bumping it to get us back on topic...


so, are those clickable without getting a severe trauma? I've become veeery careful


Well I hope by my reputation, that you guys know that I would never do stuff like that. Strictly professional...most of the time. :happy: I might make a joke once and awhile but really they are harmless. Nothing that pops out at you.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I found this viedo while browsing and I thought this could help... ^_^

Okay, so the star child has been explained!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=161s

And proof that they purposely put in hidden messages!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=232s



bumping it to get us back on topic...

Questions about the existence of the Reapers. Posted Image

#22745
estebanus

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I just deleted my post and warned other people not to press that link in the other threads my brother spammed them.

But, come on! Do I really seem like the guy who would ****** off his colleagues?


You make bets with the stakes of pissing off your facebook friends, so yes. =]



I guess it's a good thing I use an alias account when it comes to trolling people on facebook...

LOL. You don't even hide it that you're a troll.



I am a troll at facebook! I'm usually not here, because there's actually stuff on this network I care about, like the IT thread and all its contributers.

#22746
estebanus

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HellishFiend wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

so, are those clickable without getting a severe trauma? I've become veeery careful


This thread has only one estebanus. :lol: Remember he was the one who was likened to Peter Griffin ridding the thread of Yogi Bears with violence. 



Ahhhh... Good times...

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 Posting up D.Sharrah's visual Theme/Subplot analysis!

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#22748
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I found this viedo while browsing and I thought this could help... ^_^

Okay, so the star child has been explained!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=161s

And proof that they purposely put in hidden messages!!!

http://www.youtube.c...HDT4POZc#t=232s



bumping it to get us back on topic...


so, are those clickable without getting a severe trauma? I've become veeery careful


Oh I also forgot that Casey said something like " we thought it was best to leave text evidence in the game so the players can see what was happening during th course of the game", and he alos was trying to point out that he really does not belive about us realing on tech all the time, and that's probable why destroy is there because we must learn to live without tech that we realy on all the time and start to make our own future without some much from technology.

Just saying.

#22749
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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

God, I knew SubAstris would come into this thread and the first thing out of his mouth when looking at the infrasonic video would be " PTSD". God, you are so predictable, SA.

Even when shown compelling evidence, You go purposefully obtuse, ignore the evidence, and just end up looking like you're in denial. This is why I don't have debates with you anymore. You ignore whatever's in front of you and refuse to concede evidence.


I am debating the evidence, not ignoring it, just because I don't agree with some of the conclusions made doesn't mean I am actively evading it. You better have a look at my comments again if you truly think I have evaded the evidence. Your definition of "compelling" must be different to mine. Feel free to say where I have gone so desperately wrong.

Furthermore, I don't even remember bringing up "PTSD", I'm pretty sure it was someone else

Yeah it was Raistlin. Apologies.

However, your answer to this evidence, which is tangible, ( we can see the results, where it happens, why it happens, how much more work would be involved to create it despite players never going to hear it) is speculations about the kid based on a misinterpretation of the Final Hours app. It's a weak counterpoint and an example of your inability to concede and judge evidence based on its merits.


A misinterpretation? How so exactll?


Kid is the representitive of earth. You can't say Bioware lied about the game, then believe some random thing about the kid that they also said. We can't pick and choose when Bioware is telling the truth which is why we use evidence from the game.  We know the kid is more than a representive of Earth. Why else would the Catalyst take its form to manipulate your emotions?

Point is, Infrasonic noise that we wouldn't even be able to play on our speakers was put into the game in places related to reapers and possible indoctrination. Infrasonic noise, which is silent, is what is used by Reapers in their Indoctrination. That's solid.

#22750
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HellishFiend wrote...

 Posting up D.Sharrah's visual Theme/Subplot analysis!

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Why does the text get smaller the further down you go??