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[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Since when did we have an RGB effect in cinematics?



Note: this is not to be confused with lense effects we see for example during the Leaving Earth cinematic.

Wait you mean they used similary cinematic they used when Shepard leaves Earth and now they used it to incoprerate the final battle but as a memory from Shepard's memory bank.

No, sorry. I meant the red circled prism refraction. In Leaving Earth we had the lense typical color rings, that are fine. Here it's not a reflection of the lense effect, but just a white color refracted in red green blue.
Something you see with pixels, for example, or the various displays in ME3.

Now something serious. This pic is from the beginning of ME3?

[BatmanTurian]

HagarIshay wrote...

Okay, I have another question.

Does the IT say anything about the catalyst's logic with the creator/created? Aside from the fact it's all just BS. I mean, he could just have told you about the choices. But he gives an explanation, even if a stupid one.

So does the IT regards it as something? Not wether he is lying or not. But if his words symbolize something that connects it to the indoctrination.

" We know you want to destroy us" He has a slip of the tongue and reveals himself to be a reaper.

" You can destroy all synthetic life if you want"  IF YOU WANT meaning it won't necessarily happen. You could destroy synthetic life without even bothering with the reapers. He phrases things in very open, manipulative language like a con artist

" Or do you think you can control us " again, telling us himself that he is a reaper. Not only that but we just got done telling TIM that control of the
reapers is impossible, yet now the Catalysts says we can do it because
they were already controlling TIM so he couldn't do it. It's fishy as
hell.

"Synthesis is the pinnicle of evolution. " Yeah, great. Except Soveriegn told us that Reapers believe the pinnicle of evolution was a Reaper.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[paxxton]

double post

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juin 2012 - 08:29 .

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Snip...

Why does the text get smaller the further down you go??

Not sure, D.S sent it to me already in image format, so I cant change it... 

Yeah sorry about that Hellish...I had done the screen cap, but hadn't saved the file and must of closed it w/o realizing it...I could always re-make it...but like I said in another reply it really is a simple smart art insertion from Word...then its just fill in the text bubbles and select the color schemes...as for the text getting smaller - its just an auto-function to make sure that all the text fits in the bubbles...the more text you add, the smaller it gets...

@Hellish:  I am going to take a break for awhile...but if you want to send me the raw data for this, I can work on remaking the "chart" with all the contributions - and then I can send it back in full doc form...

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

My only problem with the people who claim they troll on other forums is they almost inevitably ask 'Problem?' like they think they're clever for copying what literally every other troll in history has said.

I'm not singling you out, literally every troll I've known has done this. It gets pretty annoying.

I'm sorry it annoyed you. It's just part of the joke meme. I'm not literally challenging people that have a problem with it.

Yeah, I know, and I wasnt really blaming you specifically, I just dislike how trolling has devolved into spamming memes these days. I like trolling when thought is put into it, not when falling back onto tired memes.

Some of the best trolling ever was probably all that Chris-Chan stuff.

I actually thought that was cruel. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[BatmanTurian]

doublepost

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[Ageless Face]

BatmanTurian wrote...

" We know you want to destroy us" He has a slip of the tongue and reveals himself to be a reaper.

" You can destroy all synthetic life if you want"  IF YOU WANT meaning it won't necessarily happen. You could destroy synthetic life without even bothering with the reapers. He phrases things in very open, manipulative language like a con artist

" Or do you think you can control us " again, telling us himself that he is a reaper.

"Synthesis is the pinnicle of evolution. " Yeah, great. Except Soveriegn told us the pinnicle of evolution was a Reaper.

I don't mean the choices themselves. the creator/created. Like the "without us to stop it, synthetics will kill all organics". The catalyst gives you an explanation about the reapers and their cause. Killing the organic to save them from the synthetics. He gives you this explanation. Does it mean anything, accroding to the IT?

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Since when did we have an RGB effect in cinematics?



Note: this is not to be confused with lense effects we see for example during the Leaving Earth cinematic.

Wait you mean they used similary cinematic they used when Shepard leaves Earth and now they used it to incoprerate the final battle but as a memory from Shepard's memory bank.

No, sorry. I meant the red circled prism refraction. In Leaving Earth we had the lense typical color rings, that are fine. Here it's not a reflection of the lense effect, but just a white color refracted in red green blue.
Something you see with pixels, for example, or the various displays in ME3.

Now something serious. This pic is from the beginning of ME3?

Nope, www.youtube.com/watch, the ending cinematics.

[masster blaster]

HagarIshay wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But which one is the logic one that we think is right. You see many people think Destroy is the main point of the story line because that's what all gamers/Sheaprd have been fighting for and we seen what happen's if an organic tried to infuse it's self with a synthetic from Saran to Project overlord, and know current ME3. You also can see destroy is a good idea because the Collectors were one the Prothian races but over time there DNA was over writen and slowly became synthetics.

But then again some people who think destroy is evil because they are afrid to let go of there fear of losing evrything they fought for and all the people who gave there lives so that there character Shepard can be there at the end, and that'swhat they are afrid of they don't want all the things that happen form ME1 to now be all for nothing so they try other methods to save Shepard's love one's even thought they might cause more harm than Destroy could.

Sorry for my grammer.

Sorry, should have made it clearer. I actually meant about the whole creator/created thing. Does it relate for the indoctrination somehow? Some sort of a symbol in it? Or is it just something the reapers made up to give Shepard a quick excuse for what they do?

Well the Geth were created by the Quariens but rebeld only to protect them selfs because the Quariens started a war the cost them everything. But later on they made up if you help settle the old flame of war between them once and for all.

Then there is Edi she rebeld against Cerburs only to help Shepard in his, or her quest to stop the Reapers for good, but on her terms.

So when you think for a second yes they rebeld against the Creators but the TRUE reason is why did they do it, it was becaused they were forced to except EDi because she became more and more like an Organic because she started to feel alive, and the Geth never wanted anything to happen to the creators but they fought back only to help the creators that were trying to help the geth survive.

Yes it is a symboll of what you fought for, what you did to help the created and the creators to have peace for once in there life. And yes the god child is wrong because right now during the end game play the created and the creators are fighting to stop the Reapers once and for all, and if you stop and think for a second why don't the Reapers try to stop Shepard from picking Destroy and why does the god child even give Shepard the chocies to him, or her.

[BatmanTurian]

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" We know you want to destroy us" He has a slip of the tongue and reveals himself to be a reaper.

" You can destroy all synthetic life if you want"  IF YOU WANT meaning it won't necessarily happen. You could destroy synthetic life without even bothering with the reapers. He phrases things in very open, manipulative language like a con artist

" Or do you think you can control us " again, telling us himself that he is a reaper.

"Synthesis is the pinnicle of evolution. " Yeah, great. Except Soveriegn told us the pinnicle of evolution was a Reaper.

I don't mean the choices themselves. the creator/created. Like the "without us to stop it, synthetics will kill all organics". The catalyst gives you an explanation about the reapers and their cause. Killing the organic to save them from the synthetics. He gives you this explanation. Does it mean anything, accroding to the IT?

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

My only problem with the people who claim they troll on other forums is they almost inevitably ask 'Problem?' like they think they're clever for copying what literally every other troll in history has said.

I'm not singling you out, literally every troll I've known has done this. It gets pretty annoying.

I'm sorry it annoyed you. It's just part of the joke meme. I'm not literally challenging people that have a problem with it.

Yeah, I know, and I wasnt really blaming you specifically, I just dislike how trolling has devolved into spamming memes these days. I like trolling when thought is put into it, not when falling back onto tired memes.

Some of the best trolling ever was probably all that Chris-Chan stuff.

I actually thought that was cruel. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I thought it was cruel too, until I realized that deep down, Chris is a horrible person in basically every possible way. Its natural to feel bad for him until you realize he keeps putting himself into positions that allow for bad things to keep happening to him.

[masster blaster]

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" We know you want to destroy us" He has a slip of the tongue and reveals himself to be a reaper.

" You can destroy all synthetic life if you want"  IF YOU WANT meaning it won't necessarily happen. You could destroy synthetic life without even bothering with the reapers. He phrases things in very open, manipulative language like a con artist

" Or do you think you can control us " again, telling us himself that he is a reaper.

"Synthesis is the pinnicle of evolution. " Yeah, great. Except Soveriegn told us the pinnicle of evolution was a Reaper.

I don't mean the choices themselves. the creator/created. Like the "without us to stop it, synthetics will kill all organics". The catalyst gives you an explanation about the reapers and their cause. Killing the organic to save them from the synthetics. He gives you this explanation. Does it mean anything, accroding to the IT?

Well in a way yes because the God child is trying to alluled you from picking destroy which support's IT since it try's to make you pick control, or Synthesis.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

My only problem with the people who claim they troll on other forums is they almost inevitably ask 'Problem?' like they think they're clever for copying what literally every other troll in history has said.

I'm not singling you out, literally every troll I've known has done this. It gets pretty annoying.

I'm sorry it annoyed you. It's just part of the joke meme. I'm not literally challenging people that have a problem with it.

Yeah, I know, and I wasnt really blaming you specifically, I just dislike how trolling has devolved into spamming memes these days. I like trolling when thought is put into it, not when falling back onto tired memes.

Some of the best trolling ever was probably all that Chris-Chan stuff.

I actually thought that was cruel. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I thought it was cruel too, until I realized that deep down, Chris is a horrible person in basically every possible way. Its natural to feel bad for him until you realize he keeps putting himself into positions that allow for bad things to keep happening to him.

Oh trust me, I know all about Chris's shenanigans.

[Ageless Face]

masster blaster wrote...

Well the Geth were created by the Quariens but rebeld only to protect them selfs because the Quariens started a war the cost them everything. But later on they made up if you help settle the old flame of war between them once and for all.

Then there is Edi she rebeld against Cerburs only to help Shepard in his, or her quest to stop the Reapers for good, but on her terms.

So when you think for a second yes they rebeld against the Creators but the TRUE reason is why did they do it, it was becaused they were forced to except EDi because she became more and more like an Organic because she started to feel alive, and the Geth never wanted anything to happen to the creators but they fought back only to help the creators that were trying to help the geth survive.

Yes it is a symboll of what you fought for, what you did to help the created and the creators to have peace for once in there life. And yes the god child is wrong because right now during the end game play the created and the creators are fighting to stop the Reapers once and for all, and if you stop and think for a second why don't the Reapers try to stop Shepard from picking Destroy and why does the god child even give Shepard the chocies to him, or her.

Hmmm. So the catalyst is using the opisite past of the synthetics, what Shepard did and saw, to indoctrinate him/her?

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would the reapers indoctrinate Shepard using the one thing Shepard know is completley false? Wouln't they try and use something more... smart? Or not saying anything at all?

[Ageless Face]

BatmanTurian wrote...

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

So the catalyst is telling Shepard the synthetics/organics logic, for what? Is it to buy time for the indoctrination to sink in?

[masster blaster]

HagarIshay wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well the Geth were created by the Quariens but rebeld only to protect them selfs because the Quariens started a war the cost them everything. But later on they made up if you help settle the old flame of war between them once and for all.

Then there is Edi she rebeld against Cerburs only to help Shepard in his, or her quest to stop the Reapers for good, but on her terms.

So when you think for a second yes they rebeld against the Creators but the TRUE reason is why did they do it, it was becaused they were forced to except EDi because she became more and more like an Organic because she started to feel alive, and the Geth never wanted anything to happen to the creators but they fought back only to help the creators that were trying to help the geth survive.

Yes it is a symboll of what you fought for, what you did to help the created and the creators to have peace for once in there life. And yes the god child is wrong because right now during the end game play the created and the creators are fighting to stop the Reapers once and for all, and if you stop and think for a second why don't the Reapers try to stop Shepard from picking Destroy and why does the god child even give Shepard the chocies to him, or her.

Hmmm. So the catalyst is using the opisite past of the synthetics, what Shepard did and saw, to indoctrinate him/her?

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would the reapers indoctrinate Shepard using the one thing Shepard know is completley false? Wouln't they try and use something more... smart? Or not saying anything at all?

That's just it Shepard had no control of his, or herself in the end only when it was time to make the CHOICE.

[byne]

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

So the catalyst is telling Shepard the synthetics/organics logic, for what? Is it to buy time for the indoctrination to sink in?

To trick Shepard into giving in, and following along with his logic. Judging by the number of people supporting control and synthesis, you could say it worked fairly well

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

So the catalyst is telling Shepard the synthetics/organics logic, for what? Is it to buy time for the indoctrination to sink in?

No it is too fool Shepard. Destroy is essentially the uncorrupted part of Shepards mind according to IT, by picking destroy you reject the Reapers and break free. This is supported by the fact taht just about every good character in the game has a line of dialogue telling you to destroy the Reapers.

But the Catalyst aka the Reapers dont want that and paint Destroy as bad by making it the option where you accoding to them sacrifice the most, in the form of EDI/Geth/Technology.

On the other hand Control, aka TIM´s choice (who ended up Indoctrinated) is painted in a better light and Synthesis, Saren´s Choice (who also was Indoctrinated) is painted as the ultimate solution, something that ends the problem once and for all.

But the last two are traps. They are the Reapers philosiphy as shown by their two Indoctrinated servants we fought, Saren and TIM. These choices will lead to Indoctrination so the catalyst tries to make Shepard pick them by amking them appear reasonable.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 19 juin 2012 - 08:51 .

[BatmanTurian]

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

So the catalyst is telling Shepard the synthetics/organics logic, for what? Is it to buy time for the indoctrination to sink in?

The catalyst is appealing to Shepard's sense of heroism. Shepard has to save everybody. So why not create a hypothetical situation that may or may not exist someday and is an unknown probability for Shepard to solve? Then reveal solutions that are desguised Reaper goals...
" So, the Illusive Man was right." etc.

EDIT: and what Raistlin said.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[masster blaster]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Since when did we have an RGB effect in cinematics?



Note: this is not to be confused with lense effects we see for example during the Leaving Earth cinematic.

Wait you mean they used similary cinematic they used when Shepard leaves Earth and now they used it to incoprerate the final battle but as a memory from Shepard's memory bank.

No, sorry. I meant the red circled prism refraction. In Leaving Earth we had the lense typical color rings, that are fine. Here it's not a reflection of the lense effect, but just a white color refracted in red green blue.
Something you see with pixels, for example, or the various displays in ME3.

Now something serious. This pic is from the beginning of ME3?

Nope, www.youtube.com/watch, the ending cinematics.

Sorry but this disregard's what you were talking about. But why did Bioware have the citadle stay hole in Control it doesn't make sense unless they are making Shepard into a Reaper, and Synthesis is just a way for all Organics to be under there control.

[TSA_383]

BatmanTurian wrote...

this shodiswe guy is really getting on my nerves, comparing our methodical analysis to religion. This drives me up the wall, especially since, as a Deist, I am an agnostic atheist and I take nothing on faith. I rely on facts and analysis.

It really feels like projection when they call us a cult and a religion and compare us to the Catholic Church. No offense to believers, but I find it inflammatory.

Just try to remember how much fun it'll be if/when they're proved wrong.
Unfortunately, I suspect many of the trolls won't hang around for my gloating <_<

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

So the catalyst is telling Shepard the synthetics/organics logic, for what? Is it to buy time for the indoctrination to sink in?

To trick Shepard into giving in, and following along with his logic. Judging by the number of people supporting control and synthesis, you could say it worked fairly well

Also I think its probably the only way to make the Reapers' actions seem benevolent.  What else could they possibly say to justify their actions?

The fact its circular nonsense merely shows how truely evil their actions are, no matter what paint job you give it.

[EpyonX3]

Anyone see this video yet? Pretty interesting.

[masster blaster]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

According to IT, he is just making this up as he goes along, which is why it's circular. Shepard is just nodding along as if it sounds perfectly logical, which is what victims do in the last stages of indoctrination before they fully succumb. They find themselves agreeing even though the logic makes no sense.

The real reason Reapers kill us is to produce more of themselves. As EDI said, they are selfish and wish only for self-preservation. They only see us as vermin, tools of war, food, and construction matter.

So the catalyst is telling Shepard the synthetics/organics logic, for what? Is it to buy time for the indoctrination to sink in?

The catalyst is appealing to Shepard's sense of heroism. Shepard has to save everybody. So why not create a hypothetical situation that may or may not exist someday and is an unknown probability for Shepard to solve? Then reveal solutions that are desguised Reaper goals...
" So, the Illusive Man was right." etc.

EDIT: and what Raistlin said.

holy metarolly I got it " AN END ONCE AND FOR ALL' Synthesis end's the fight but the Reapers control all synthetics and organics, and control end's Shepard's life as an organic/synthetic, and makes him, or her a Reaper. And Destroy end's the Reapers once and for all, and the Indoc prosess.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Since when did we have an RGB effect in cinematics?



Note: this is not to be confused with lense effects we see for example during the Leaving Earth cinematic.

Wait you mean they used similary cinematic they used when Shepard leaves Earth and now they used it to incoprerate the final battle but as a memory from Shepard's memory bank.

No, sorry. I meant the red circled prism refraction. In Leaving Earth we had the lense typical color rings, that are fine. Here it's not a reflection of the lense effect, but just a white color refracted in red green blue.
Something you see with pixels, for example, or the various displays in ME3.

Now something serious. This pic is from the beginning of ME3?

Nope, www.youtube.com/watch, the ending cinematics.

Maybe that Shepard's dream is becoming decohesive.