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[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

ah, my gaming pc died now I feel half cut off from the community

  It must be the Reapers. First Arian, now you. Hope I'm not next...

[Corik]

HellishFiend wrote...

I did just say I had proof... The grunts are separated. One of them is in the voice track, the other is in the sound effects track. Anyone can hear them both individually by playing the scene with one or the other muted. One is clearly Anderson and the other is clearly TIM. 

I always thought the second one was Shepard! this could be interesting. If the gun shot is in fact an attack against his mind, Anderson and TIM being two sides of the same coin, this has a lot of sense.

[Corik]

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

ah, my gaming pc died now I feel half cut off from the community

  It must be the Reapers. First Arian, now you. Hope I'm not next...

I bet Bioware told them about EC because they were too close to the truth. They have signed a NDA and now they can't talk! 

EDIt: That was a joke!

Modifié par Corik, 20 juin 2012 - 08:08 .

[HellishFiend]

Here you go:



That's Anderson's grunt isolated by muting the sound effects and music tracks. I dont have the TIM one on film yet, but I'll see if I can get it at some point.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

[Corik]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

I said some nonsense about the grunts some posts above

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

I said some nonsense about the grunts some posts above

Oops, missed that. And yeah, you are probably headed in the right direction with that. But if its symbolic, it's probably pretty specific symbolism. Something like:

Anderson is Shepard's "voice of conscience" so he's on the voice track, and TIM is on the sound effect track because ________?

Modifié par HellishFiend, 20 juin 2012 - 08:22 .

[FellishBeast]

Wait, the other grunt isn't Shep? Then this makes no sense to me ._.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

Corik wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

I said some nonsense about the grunts some posts above

Oops, missed that. And yeah, you are probably headed in the right direction with that. But if its symbolic, it's probably pretty specific symbolism. Something like:

Anderson is Shepard's "voice of conscience" so he's on the voice track, and TIM is on the sound effect track because ________?

Can relate it to your infrasonic analysis, it's on the sound effect track because the infrasonic is....Should probably back that up with more analysis though.
Or, literalist interpretation: It was added as an afterthought after the voice track had already been put together so it probably had to piggyback on the sound effects.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

Corik wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

I said some nonsense about the grunts some posts above

Oops, missed that. And yeah, you are probably headed in the right direction with that. But if its symbolic, it's probably pretty specific symbolism. Something like:

Anderson is Shepard's "voice of conscience" so he's on the voice track, and TIM is on the sound effect track because he's exerting force to make his new mind powers work?

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Corik wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

I said some nonsense about the grunts some posts above

Oops, missed that. And yeah, you are probably headed in the right direction with that. But if its symbolic, it's probably pretty specific symbolism. Something like:

Anderson is Shepard's "voice of conscience" so he's on the voice track, and TIM is on the sound effect track because ________?

Can relate it to your infrasonic analysis, it's on the sound effect track because the infrasonic is....Should probably back that up with more analysis though.
Or, literalist interpretation: It was added as an afterthought after the voice track had already been put together so it probably had to piggyback on the sound effects.

Actually you might be on to something. TIM's voice could be likened to "Reaper noise", which is why it ends up on the sound effects track. I like it!

[Corik]

Maybe they are in different tracks just to let us discover both sounds... and freak about them.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Corik wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Puzzle o_O
Too many pieces. Need to make list.

Yeah, I briefly wondered if the fact that TIM's grunt is on the sound effects track means anything in particular (they could have easily just mixed them together as one sound effect), but I decided not to put a lot of thought into it. I wouldnt mind hearing someone else's thoughts on the issue though if they can think of something!

I said some nonsense about the grunts some posts above

Oops, missed that. And yeah, you are probably headed in the right direction with that. But if its symbolic, it's probably pretty specific symbolism. Something like:

Anderson is Shepard's "voice of conscience" so he's on the voice track, and TIM is on the sound effect track because ________?

Can relate it to your infrasonic analysis, it's on the sound effect track because the infrasonic is....Should probably back that up with more analysis though.
Or, literalist interpretation: It was added as an afterthought after the voice track had already been put together so it probably had to piggyback on the sound effects.

Actually you might be on to something. TIM's voice could be likened to "Reaper noise", which is why it ends up on the sound effects track. I like it!

But, then wouldn't eveything TIM says on the Citadel be on the sound effect track? Is there anyway to look into that?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Corik wrote...

Maybe they are in different tracks just to let us discover both sounds... and freak about them.

As in.... a piece... of a Puzzle .... o_O Bioware's trying to drive someone crazy I swear.

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

Maybe they are in different tracks just to let us discover both sounds... and freak about them.

I like "Voice" of reason vs Reaper "noise" better, personally.  Even if that's not what they were going for, it should have been!

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

But, then wouldn't eveything TIM says on the Citadel be on the sound effect track? Is there anyway to look into that?

Well, its not, since otherwise I would have not been able to hear TIM when doing my soundeffect-less runthrough, but I dont think they would have been able to do that without it being too blatantly obvious. As it is I feel that separating the grunts they way they did was kind of a risky clue, but that's just me. 

[HellishFiend]

It's too quiet. We need some multi-colored explosions dancing:

[JestersShade]

Hi everyone.

First, as many, I didn't like the end(s) and would like to believe in the indoctrination theory ('cause it's the only way to make sense from all of this ^^) so all the following is just to strenghen it.

I've found one point that seem not correct in the theory :
"How did Hackett know that Shepard made it to the Citadel ?" :
after the scene with Anderson and the illusive man, Shepard opens the arms of the Citadel.
This action, seen from space by the entire fleet could show them that someone made it, and who else could it be beside Shepard, no ?


Another question : why in the epilogue (grand father and son), would the boy ask if they'll be able to visit the stars one day, as if there was no more galactic transports through relays ?
In the indoctrination theory, the explosions of the relay were only in Shepard's mind, so the epilogue seems completly irrelevant :
if Bioware had in mind something like this theory, they wouldn't have done the epilogue and stop after Shepard breathing.


And last, but not least : if this theory is true, there is another problem : there is no end!
In the "perfect ending", Shepard wakes up in London rubbles without being indoctrinated, but the war is not over!
The fleet is still fighting the reapers and not having indoctrinated Shepard shouldn't make them stop the fight, no ?
So, in this case, Bioware shouldn't be burnt down for bad writing, but for having thought of an ending DLC (at least, that may have been plan A, but then came the fan rage and the plan B named "extended cut" ^^).

[FellishBeast]

JestersShade wrote...

Hi everyone.

First, as many, I didn't like the end(s) and would like to believe in the indoctrination theory ('cause it's the only way to make sense from all of this ^^) so all the following is just to strenghen it.

I've found one point that seem not correct in the theory :
"How did Hackett know that Shepard made it to the Citadel ?" :
after the scene with Anderson and the illusive man, Shepard opens the arms of the Citadel.
This action, seen from space by the entire fleet could show them that someone made it, and who else could it be beside Shepard, no ?

I'm fairly certain Hackett starts talking to Shep before the arms open, so I don't think I need to address this.

Another question : why in the epilogue (grand father and son), would the boy ask if they'll be able to visit the stars one day, as if there was no more galactic transports through relays ?
In the indoctrination theory, the explosions of the relay were only in Shepard's mind, so the epilogue seems completly irrelevant :
if Bioware had in mind something like this theory, they wouldn't have done the epilogue and stop after Shepard breathing.

I, personally, don't have an answer for this. That scene and the Normandy scene make no sense at all to me and I just assume their "victorious" delusions in Shep's head. Maybe something that is so blatantly unhappy but portrayed in a happy way (like propaganda) that is supposed to disorient the player? Someone else can jump in and respond x]

And last, but not least : if this theory is true, there is another problem : there is no end!
In the "perfect ending", Shepard wakes up in London rubbles without being indoctrinated, but the war is not over!
The fleet is still fighting the reapers and not having indoctrinated Shepard shouldn't make them stop the fight, no ?
So, in this case, Bioware shouldn't be burnt down for bad writing, but for having thought of an ending DLC (at least, that may have been plan A, but then came the fan rage and the plan B named "extended cut" ^^).

This is true, and we aren't burning them down...yet. Also, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed via Twitter that the EC is NOT a response to the fans, but was planned before release.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 20 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[HellishFiend]

JestersShade wrote...

Hi everyone.

First, as many, I didn't like the end(s) and would like to believe in the indoctrination theory ('cause it's the only way to make sense from all of this ^^) so all the following is just to strenghen it.

I've found one point that seem not correct in the theory :
"How did Hackett know that Shepard made it to the Citadel ?" :
after the scene with Anderson and the illusive man, Shepard opens the arms of the Citadel.
This action, seen from space by the entire fleet could show them that someone made it, and who else could it be beside Shepard, no ?


Another question : why in the epilogue (grand father and son), would the boy ask if they'll be able to visit the stars one day, as if there was no more galactic transports through relays ?
In the indoctrination theory, the explosions of the relay were only in Shepard's mind, so the epilogue seems completly irrelevant :
if Bioware had in mind something like this theory, they wouldn't have done the epilogue and stop after Shepard breathing.


And last, but not least : if this theory is true, there is another problem : there is no end!
In the "perfect ending", Shepard wakes up in London rubbles without being indoctrinated, but the war is not over!
The fleet is still fighting the reapers and not having indoctrinated Shepard shouldn't make them stop the fight, no ?
So, in this case, Bioware shouldn't be burnt down for bad writing, but for having thought of an ending DLC (at least, that may have been plan A, but then came the fan rage and the plan B named "extended cut" ^^).

On the first point, the main reason Hackett's knowledge of Shepard being there is out of place is because he seems to already know he is there instead of asking first. "Shepard? Commander!" Too obvious that he knows he's there when he shouldnt. 

On the second, check out my interpretation of the Stargazer scene:
http://social.biowar.../index/12200743 
Just ignore the trolls.

On the last point, Bioware has simply used clever semantics and hid lies within truths in order to cover up their plans. They may have originally intended to include the full ending on-disc, but for whatever reason (possibly because they were only given a 3 month extension instead of the 6 they asked for) they are exploiting a technicality regarding the definition of an "ending". Nothing they have done would hold up in court as false advertising or illegal in any way. It's just upseting, and thats only a temporary situation until the EC comes out. 

And welcome to the thread.  Feel free to post anytime! 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 20 juin 2012 - 09:01 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

JestersShade wrote...

Hi everyone.

First, as many, I didn't like the end(s) and would like to believe in the indoctrination theory ('cause it's the only way to make sense from all of this ^^) so all the following is just to strenghen it.

I've found one point that seem not correct in the theory :
"How did Hackett know that Shepard made it to the Citadel ?" :
after the scene with Anderson and the illusive man, Shepard opens the arms of the Citadel.
This action, seen from space by the entire fleet could show them that someone made it, and who else could it be beside Shepard, no ?

Has been suggested, and thought about, but leaves the question: why didn't Hackett open up with "Is anyone reading this? Shepard, is that you?"

Another question : why in the epilogue (grand father and son), would the boy ask if they'll be able to visit the stars one day, as if there was no more galactic transports through relays ?
In the indoctrination theory, the explosions of the relay were only in Shepard's mind, so the epilogue seems completly irrelevant :
if Bioware had in mind something like this theory, they wouldn't have done the epilogue and stop after Shepard breathing.

The boy asks if he will be able to see the stars someday, and the stargazer's answer seems to reflect that the stargazer might have been out there in the stars already. Also someone pointed out the game files indicate the scene takes palce 10,000 years in the future (haven't verified this personally, someone feel free to hop in here) so that's plenty of time for the remnants of our cycle to rebuild.

And last, but not least : if this theory is true, there is another problem : there is no end!
In the "perfect ending", Shepard wakes up in London rubbles without being indoctrinated, but the war is not over!
The fleet is still fighting the reapers and not having indoctrinated Shepard shouldn't make them stop the fight, no ?
So, in this case, Bioware shouldn't be burnt down for bad writing, but for having thought of an ending DLC (at least, that may have been plan A, but then came the fan rage and the plan B named "extended cut" ^^).

Not seeing why this is a problem. If IT is true then there's more Mass Effect to play and that's a good thing. "EA sold us an incomplete game," not true, game has a beginning middle and end but now it comes with an expansion on the end we recieved and potentially even more after that. This is good.

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Not seeing why this is a problem. If IT is true then there's more Mass Effect to play and that's a good thing. "EA sold us an incomplete game," not true, game has a beginning middle and end but now it comes with an expansion on the end we recieved and potentially even more after that. This is good.

Yep, this. I understand and sympathize with people that are upset, but I dont share those feelings. In my opinion this is a better way to send off the trilogy than I ever could have dreamed up in my head. 

[FellishBeast]

That's an awesome interpretation, Hellish. Much better than my nonexplanation, haha. Those posts were harsh. I don't get the people on these forums anymore...

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

That's an awesome interpretation, Hellish. Much better than my nonexplanation, haha. Those posts were harsh. I don't get the people on these forums anymore...

Trolls. They dont bother me. Read my reply towards the bottom of the page, and notice how they all vanish afterwards. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 20 juin 2012 - 09:07 .