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[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Not seeing why this is a problem. If IT is true then there's more Mass Effect to play and that's a good thing. "EA sold us an incomplete game," not true, game has a beginning middle and end but now it comes with an expansion on the end we recieved and potentially even more after that. This is good.

Yep, this. I understand and sympathize with people that are upset, but I dont share those feelings. In my opinion this is a better way to send off the trilogy than I ever could have dreamed up in my head. 

This.

Minus the sympathize part. People are getting way too nasty. They are too bitter to be considered "victims" anymore.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

FellishBeast wrote...

That's an awesome interpretation, Hellish. Much better than my nonexplanation, haha. Those posts were harsh. I don't get the people on these forums anymore...

Outside this thread is supposedly dangerous, much argueing and rage, but I don't know personally because this is one of the only threads I follow on BSN and it's well worth following.

Just try and treat newcomers and those with questions with a sense of neutrality, they either don't know as much as we think we do or they have a different way of thinking of things much like many of us do.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

That's an awesome interpretation, Hellish. Much better than my nonexplanation, haha. Those posts were harsh. I don't get the people on these forums anymore...

Trolls. They dont bother me. Read my reply towards the bottom of the page, and notice how they all vanish afterwards. 

Holy ****ing ownage, man. Good job! 

[HellishFiend]

 Well, since we're on the subject of trolls and upset people now, I'll just go ahead and post this here:

HellishFiend wrote...
 lol, some of you guys are really funny. Someone could write a PhD dissertation on the psychology of it taking more than 2 and a half months to get over what you perceive to be a letdown over a videogame, and still being on the forums complaining about it despite having no belief in something good coming of it. 


I'm here because I believe something better is coming. Not sure why you guys are here to be honest. To bump my topic, apparently? Thanks.  

Oh yeah, and change 2 and a half months to THREE AND A HALF MONTHS. Really people? If you've so little faith in Bioware, move on already. 

[FellishBeast]

I don't know if any of you saw my response on the last page, but am I correct in stating that Hackett initiated radio contact with Shepard before the arms opened? Because no one else mentioned that and I thought that was the main piece of evidence against that argument. I want to make sure I'm on track.

Cleared up! 

Modifié par FellishBeast, 20 juin 2012 - 09:22 .

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

That's an awesome interpretation, Hellish. Much better than my nonexplanation, haha. Those posts were harsh. I don't get the people on these forums anymore...

Trolls. They dont bother me. Read my reply towards the bottom of the page, and notice how they all vanish afterwards. 

Holy ****ing ownage, man. Good job! 

 Thanks. 

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Not seeing why this is a problem. If IT is true then there's more Mass Effect to play and that's a good thing. "EA sold us an incomplete game," not true, game has a beginning middle and end but now it comes with an expansion on the end we recieved and potentially even more after that. This is good.

Yep, this. I understand and sympathize with people that are upset, but I dont share those feelings. In my opinion this is a better way to send off the trilogy than I ever could have dreamed up in my head. 

This.

Minus the sympathize part. People are getting way too nasty. They are too bitter to be considered "victims" anymore.

The nasty people are usually trolls though, I dont understand or sympathize with them.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

I don't know if any of you saw my response on the last page, but am I correct in stating that Hackett initiated radio contact with Shepard before the arms opened? Because no one else mentioned that and I thought that was the main piece of evidence against that argument. I want to make sure I'm on track.

Nah, Hackett contacts Shepard after the Crucible docks. 

"Nothing's happening! The Crucible's not firing!"

[gunslinger_ruiz]

FellishBeast wrote...

I don't know if any of you saw my response on the last page, but am I correct in stating that Hackett initiated radio contact with Shepard before the arms opened? Because no one else mentioned that and I thought that was the main piece of evidence against that argument. I want to make sure I'm on track.

I believe the arms open up, Shepard slumps down next to Anderson, last words, gaze down at gaping wound, "Shepard? Commander!" is the correct order so the arms were already open before transmission.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I don't know if any of you saw my response on the last page, but am I correct in stating that Hackett initiated radio contact with Shepard before the arms opened? Because no one else mentioned that and I thought that was the main piece of evidence against that argument. I want to make sure I'm on track.

Nah, Hackett contacts Shepard after the Crucible docks. 

"Nothing's happening! The Crucible's not firing!"

Oh, right right. I remembered something DIDN'T happen, but I clearly forgot what it was. Oops. 

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I don't know if any of you saw my response on the last page, but am I correct in stating that Hackett initiated radio contact with Shepard before the arms opened? Because no one else mentioned that and I thought that was the main piece of evidence against that argument. I want to make sure I'm on track.

Nah, Hackett contacts Shepard after the Crucible docks. 

"Nothing's happening! The Crucible's not firing!"

By the way, you might also be interested in my interpretation of the symbolism regarding the Citadel/Crucible. I'm tired and about to go to bed so I wont go into much detail, but it goes something like this:

Anderson = Shep's willpower/resistance to indoc
TIM = Manifestation of Reaper influence on his mind 
Citadel = Shepards mind. Built on his memories (thats why the areas resemble places from his past). Closed because he's dealing with an internal conflict.
Console = Shepard's actions. Neither TIM nor Anderson can operate it ("Shepard... I cant!")
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded
Shepard verbally attacks TIM, TIM becomes unsettled because he has been wounded by the attack
Similarly, Anderson regains composure and acts like he was never shot (seriously, watch a video and skip the few seconds where he was shot. it looks as if he was never hurt at all) because Shep is not attacking him.
TIM dies. Anderson is no longer of use because he has lost the ability to help Shepard with his actions (or he is just no longer needed because TIM is gone), so he dies too.
Shepard is now able to control his own actions by using the panel. He opens up the citadel/his mind.
His mind now open, the Crucible/Reapers/Harby docks, and speak to him directly via Starbinger. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 20 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[JestersShade]

Thanks for all your answers!

Very interesting interpretation for the stargazer part ... ^^

For my first point (Hackett radio contact), I was sure of the timeline
For the fact that he doesn't begin with "Shepard ?" or something like that, you may be right but it is arguable and so, weakens the point.
(but there are still many others!)
Again, I'm just trying to be constructive, and I'm not here to troll/rage

For the ending, I didn't know about Bioware not having enough time and didn't know either that the Stargazer scene could only be seen with an imported savegame ...

[HellishFiend]

JestersShade wrote...

Thanks for all your answers!

Very interesting interpretation for the stargazer part ... ^^

For my first point (Hackett radio contact), I was sure of the timeline
For the fact that he doesn't begin with "Shepard ?" or something like that, you may be right but it is arguable and so, weakens the point.
(but there are still many others!)
Again, I'm just trying to be constructive, and I'm not here to troll/rage

For the ending, I didn't know about Bioware not having enough time and didn't know either that the Stargazer scene could only be seen with an imported savegame ...

IT has an answer for everything, essentially. :happy: Glad you liked my interpretation. For the open minded, you need only ask.

Check out my video if you havent:
Sounds of Possession

[FellishBeast]

JestersShade wrote...

Thanks for all your answers!

Very interesting interpretation for the stargazer part ... ^^

For my first point (Hackett radio contact), I was sure of the timeline
For the fact that he doesn't begin with "Shepard ?" or something like that, you may be right but it is arguable and so, weakens the point.
(but there are still many others!)
Again, I'm just trying to be constructive, and I'm not here to troll/rage

For the ending, I didn't know about Bioware not having enough time and didn't know either that the Stargazer scene could only be seen with an imported savegame ...

We appreciate constructive feedback and people who can keep us on our toes. There is, however, a particular pebble in my shoe who frequents this thread and it leads me to being short with people who challenge our theory because of that particular person's demeanor. <_<



@Hellish
The only part that really doesn't make sense to me is how both TIM and Anderson both are potentially wounded by the shot, because Shepard gets a wound in the same place he shoots Anderson. It makes more sense that the grunt would be Shepard, not TIM, though I realized this doesn't seem to be the case. So that area is still very grey from my point of view, but the rest are really solid. I'm impressed.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

@Hellish
The only part that really doesn't make sense to me is how both TIM and Anderson both are potentially wounded by the shot, because Shepard gets a wound in the same place he shoots Anderson. It makes more sense that the grunt would be Shepard, not TIM, though I realized this doesn't seem to be the case. So that area is still very grey from my point of view, but the rest are really solid. I'm impressed.

Thanks. I'm sure its off in some points, but thats fine. Interpreted symbolism sometimes takes a while to narrow down to the author's original intent if they havent revealed it. I think we only just recently nailed the symbolism of the dream sequences after over 3 months, so its a tricky process, especially when youre dealing with a videogame with a plot as deep as an epic series of novels. 

[Humakt83]

Have you people considered what the implications could be if the Crucible is a Reaper trap/goal?

http://social.biowar...5/index/9922968 

Modifié par Humakt83, 20 juin 2012 - 09:47 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Just to add something, I'm positive the Stargazer scene plays no matter your ending choice or default/imported/NG+.
Friend of mine beat it with default Shepard still got that scene (same friend that got the Control and Synthesis choices and sitll hasn't gotten screens of it .... don't worry I made him describe the Stargazer scene he saw to make sure he got it.)

Anyway, Shepard's Breath is the one that needs an import/NG+ Shepard to unlock along with high EMS destroy.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

@Hellish
The only part that really doesn't make sense to me is how both TIM and Anderson both are potentially wounded by the shot, because Shepard gets a wound in the same place he shoots Anderson. It makes more sense that the grunt would be Shepard, not TIM, though I realized this doesn't seem to be the case. So that area is still very grey from my point of view, but the rest are really solid. I'm impressed.

Thanks. I'm sure its off in some points, but thats fine. Interpreted symbolism sometimes takes a while to narrow down to the author's original intent if they havent revealed it. I think we only just recently nailed the symbolism of the dream sequences after over 3 months, so its a tricky process, especially when youre dealing with a videogame with a plot as deep as an epic series of novels. 

What are your thoughts on Shepard's side-wound and TIM's grunt? Did it hurt all three of them? 

[Corik]

FellishBeast wrote...
@Hellish
The only part that really doesn't make sense to me is how both TIM and Anderson both are potentially wounded by the shot, because Shepard gets a wound in the same place he shoots Anderson. It makes more sense that the grunt would be Shepard, not TIM, though I realized this doesn't seem to be the case. So that area is still very grey from my point of view, but the rest are really solid. I'm impressed.

I don't think so, the grunt being Anderson and TIM makes a lot of sense, the attack is against his mind (indoctrination). Anderson and TIM are different sides of the same coin. Anderson being the part of his mind still controlled by him and his ideas, TIM being the part of his mind controlled (or being messed with) by the reapers. The gunshot is a symbol of reapers "pushing" in their efforts to indoctrinate him, so it's an attack against his mind (so Anderson and TIM grunt) but the one bleeding is Shepard himself, because both Anderson and TIM are his own mind, so he's hurting himsefl without being aware of the situation.

All of it very symbolic. Genius if they planned it this way.

Modifié par Corik, 20 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Humakt83 wrote...

Have you people considered what the implications could be if the Crucible is a Reaper trap/goal?

Constantly. Implications...unpleasent.

[HellishFiend]

Humakt83 wrote...

Have you people considered what the implications could be if the Crucible is a Reaper trap/goal?

Yes, and there are a few ways to look at it. 

First, you could hope that once we know it is a trap, we could find some way to exploit that to our advantage. Or we could hope that somehow the Reapers' goals hinge on the indoctrination of Shepard, and the failure of that would give us an edge we need in some other way of overcoming the Reaper threat. Additionally, it is possible that ME3 wont be the end of the Reaper threat at all. It may continue, just without Shepard as the main protagonist. 

Lastly, Bioware could blow us all away with something we'd never see coming.  Personally I'm hoping that's the case.

[nightcobra]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Have you people considered what the implications could be if the Crucible is a Reaper trap/goal?

Constantly. Implications...unpleasent.

Grunt: hmmpf...much simpler to strap some ships to it and then ram it against harbinger. i can promise you he won't expect it.

[Humakt83]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yes, and there are a few ways to look at it. 

First, you could hope that once we know it is a trap, we could find some way to exploit that to our advantage. Or we could hope that somehow the Reapers' goals hinge on the indoctrination of Shepard, and the failure of that would give us an edge we need in some other way of overcoming the Reaper threat. Additionally, it is possible that ME3 wont be the end of the Reaper threat at all. It may continue, just without Shepard as the main protagonist. 

Lastly, Bioware could blow us all away with something we'd never see coming.  Personally I'm hoping that's the case.

Maybe the meaning of Crucible holds the key (especially meaning two):

http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/crucible 

1. A vessel made of a refractory substance such as graphite or porcelain, used for melting and calcining materials at high temperatures.

2. A severe test, as of patience or belief; a trial. See Synonyms at trial.

3. A place, time, or situation characterized by the confluence of powerful intellectual, social, economic, or political forces: "Macroeconomics . . . was cast in the crucible of the Depression" (Peter Passell).

Modifié par Humakt83, 20 juin 2012 - 09:52 .

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...
What are your thoughts on Shepard's side-wound and TIM's grunt? Did it hurt all three of them? 

Well, keep in mind that Shepard is not hurt by the "side-wound" until Anderson dies. So make of that what you will. I personally think it's the loss of Anderson specifically that injures Shepard, but there are several other possibilities to consider. As for TIM's grunt, TIM himself is essentially an offshoot/derivative of Anderson, twisted and corrupted by the Reapers. In that way, it makes sense for them to both be hurt by the shot since they are both part of the same element of Shepard's mind. 

Just my take on the issue. Always willing to alter it when someone comes up with another good idea or counterpoint! :happy:

[FellishBeast]

Corik wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...
@Hellish
The only part that really doesn't make sense to me is how both TIM and Anderson both are potentially wounded by the shot, because Shepard gets a wound in the same place he shoots Anderson. It makes more sense that the grunt would be Shepard, not TIM, though I realized this doesn't seem to be the case. So that area is still very grey from my point of view, but the rest are really solid. I'm impressed.

I don't think so, the grunt being Anderson and TIM makes a lot of sense, the attack is against his mind (indoctrination). Anderson and TIM are different sides of the same coin. Anderson being the part of his mind still controlled by him and his ideas, TIM being the part of his mind controlled (or being messed with) by the reapers. The gunshot is a symbol of reapers "pushing" in their efforts to indoctrinate him, so it's an attack against his mind (so Anderson and TIM grunt) but the one bleeding is Shepard himself, because both Anderson and TIM are his own mind, so he's hurting himsefl without being aware of the situation.

All of it very symbolic. Genius if they planned it this way.

That sort of makes sense, I guess. Just to be clear, I'm saying that I, personally, had trouble understanding how it fit together, not that the idea was absurd. I just wanted to better understand so I can see the whole picture. Until a little while ago I had assumed it was Anderson and Shep's grunt.