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[HellishFiend]

Humakt83 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yes, and there are a few ways to look at it. 

First, you could hope that once we know it is a trap, we could find some way to exploit that to our advantage. Or we could hope that somehow the Reapers' goals hinge on the indoctrination of Shepard, and the failure of that would give us an edge we need in some other way of overcoming the Reaper threat. Additionally, it is possible that ME3 wont be the end of the Reaper threat at all. It may continue, just without Shepard as the main protagonist. 

Lastly, Bioware could blow us all away with something we'd never see coming.  Personally I'm hoping that's the case.

Maybe the meaning of Crucible holds the key (especially meaning two):

http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/crucible 

1. A vessel made of a refractory substance such as graphite or porcelain, used for melting and calcining materials at high temperatures.

2. A severe test, as of patience or belief; a trial. See Synonyms at trial.

3. A place, time, or situation characterized by the confluence of powerful intellectual, social, economic, or political forces: "Macroeconomics . . . was cast in the crucible of the Depression" (Peter Passell).

Indeed. But the question then becomes, is the "trial" the act of building the Crucible, or what comes after it's finished? I wouldnt know where to begin with that one, to be honest. 

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just to add something, I'm positive the Stargazer scene plays no matter your ending choice or default/imported/NG+.
Friend of mine beat it with default Shepard still got that scene (same friend that got the Control and Synthesis choices and sitll hasn't gotten screens of it .... don't worry I made him describe the Stargazer scene he saw to make sure he got it.)

Anyway, Shepard's Breath is the one that needs an import/NG+ Shepard to unlock along with high EMS destroy.

Either way, we are getting both sides of the issue secondhand, so its hard to know for sure....

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

[Jusseb]

Don't know if it has any value, or was mentioned before.

I'm doing a replay of ME1 and when i walked in the Citadel Tower those trees reminded me of the ones in the dreams of ME3.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...
What are your thoughts on Shepard's side-wound and TIM's grunt? Did it hurt all three of them? 

Well, keep in mind that Shepard is not hurt by the "side-wound" until Anderson dies. So make of that what you will. I personally think it's the loss of Anderson specifically that injures Shepard, but there are several other possibilities to consider. As for TIM's grunt, TIM himself is essentially an offshoot/derivative of Anderson, twisted and corrupted by the Reapers. In that way, it makes sense for them to both be hurt by the shot since they are both part of the same element of Shepard's mind. 

Just my take on the issue. Always willing to alter it when someone comes up with another good idea or counterpoint! :happy:

Oh, maybe Anderson represented Shepards appendix or liver or something in that general area? And when he died it was like he got it removed by a shadey surgeon. And since it didn't hurt that means he is a Reaper because pain isn't real or something like that! 

Sorry, I need to go to bed...lol.

I see what you're getting at. That part hasn't clicked for me, yet. It seems like a complex situation (if it is, indeed, in Shep's mind).

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

Megumi, you really need to stop throwing things around as fact. First you try to debunk my infrasound video with misinformation, now you try to shoot something else down without offering anything other than your own words. You'll excuse me if I no longer place stock in your random declarations. 

[Humakt83]

HellishFiend wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Maybe the meaning of Crucible holds the key (especially meaning two):

http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/crucible 

1. A vessel made of a refractory substance such as graphite or porcelain, used for melting and calcining materials at high temperatures.

2. A severe test, as of patience or belief; a trial. See Synonyms at trial.

3. A place, time, or situation characterized by the confluence of powerful intellectual, social, economic, or political forces: "Macroeconomics . . . was cast in the crucible of the Depression" (Peter Passell).

Indeed. But the question then becomes, is the "trial" the act of building the Crucible, or what comes after it's finished? I wouldnt know where to begin with that one, to be honest. 

Or the trial could be the ending choices, which creates even more symbolisms to the scene.

Modifié par Humakt83, 20 juin 2012 - 09:59 .

[FellishBeast]

Jusseb wrote...

Don't know if it has any value, or was mentioned before.

I'm doing a replay of ME1 and when i walked in the Citadel Tower those trees reminded me of the ones in the dreams of ME3.

Notice how it looks exactly like the room you have the conversation with Anderson and TIM in.

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

JestersShade wrote...

Thanks for all your answers!

Very interesting interpretation for the stargazer part ... ^^

For my first point (Hackett radio contact), I was sure of the timeline
For the fact that he doesn't begin with "Shepard ?" or something like that, you may be right but it is arguable and so, weakens the point.
(but there are still many others!)
Again, I'm just trying to be constructive, and I'm not here to troll/rage

For the ending, I didn't know about Bioware not having enough time and didn't know either that the Stargazer scene could only be seen with an imported savegame ...

IT has an answer for everything, essentially. :happy: Glad you liked my interpretation. For the open minded, you need only ask.

Check out my video if you havent:
Sounds of Possession

You could just trash that video and just show the pitch shifted stuff. The things the video shows are easy to dismiss.

[FellishBeast]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

[nightcobra]

FellishBeast wrote...

Corik wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...
@Hellish
The only part that really doesn't make sense to me is how both TIM and Anderson both are potentially wounded by the shot, because Shepard gets a wound in the same place he shoots Anderson. It makes more sense that the grunt would be Shepard, not TIM, though I realized this doesn't seem to be the case. So that area is still very grey from my point of view, but the rest are really solid. I'm impressed.

I don't think so, the grunt being Anderson and TIM makes a lot of sense, the attack is against his mind (indoctrination). Anderson and TIM are different sides of the same coin. Anderson being the part of his mind still controlled by him and his ideas, TIM being the part of his mind controlled (or being messed with) by the reapers. The gunshot is a symbol of reapers "pushing" in their efforts to indoctrinate him, so it's an attack against his mind (so Anderson and TIM grunt) but the one bleeding is Shepard himself, because both Anderson and TIM are his own mind, so he's hurting himsefl without being aware of the situation.

All of it very symbolic. Genius if they planned it this way.

That sort of makes sense, I guess. Just to be clear, I'm saying that I, personally, had trouble understanding how it fit together, not that the idea was absurd. I just wanted to better understand so I can see the whole picture. Until a little while ago I had assumed it was Anderson and Shep's grunt.

i always thought that it was almost like a tug of war, when one gets weaker the other gets stronger. one side being the willpower and the other being the part that is falling to indocrination. anderson gets shot and TIM seems to be at his peak where as in the end shepard's will power can manifest itself in shepard pulling the trigger or making TIM shoot himself. and then there is the case where TIM wins, he seems perfectly fine but he casually walks off away from the control panel. that kind of confused me, wouldn't he go for the control panel instead of walking away?

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

Megumi, you really need to stop throwing things around as fact. First you try to debunk my infrasound video with misinformation, now you try to shoot something else down without offering anything other than your own words. You'll excuse me if I no longer place stock in your random declarations.

How about going through the scene one time with only Dialog slider up and one time with only Sound Effect slider up? It isn't the first time I said that btw

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 juin 2012 - 10:02 .

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

JestersShade wrote...

Thanks for all your answers!

Very interesting interpretation for the stargazer part ... ^^

For my first point (Hackett radio contact), I was sure of the timeline
For the fact that he doesn't begin with "Shepard ?" or something like that, you may be right but it is arguable and so, weakens the point.
(but there are still many others!)
Again, I'm just trying to be constructive, and I'm not here to troll/rage

For the ending, I didn't know about Bioware not having enough time and didn't know either that the Stargazer scene could only be seen with an imported savegame ...

IT has an answer for everything, essentially. :happy: Glad you liked my interpretation. For the open minded, you need only ask.

Check out my video if you havent:
Sounds of Possession

You could just trash that video and just show the pitch shifted stuff. The things the video shows are easy to dismiss.

I can do whatever I want. Be civil. Or it's your posts that will be getting trashed when I'm deciding what to read and what to skip. 

[MegumiAzusa]

FellishBeast wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Don't know if it has any value, or was mentioned before.

I'm doing a replay of ME1 and when i walked in the Citadel Tower those trees reminded me of the ones in the dreams of ME3.

Notice how it looks exactly like the room you have the conversation with Anderson and TIM in.

Uh, not at all? Seriously I can't see any resemblance. This room has more a triangular shape while the other one is a circle.

[FellishBeast]

Alright well I'm off to bed.

If there are any speculations while I'm gone I expect an orderly summary in my inbox.

[MegumiAzusa]

FellishBeast wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

Interesting, I disagree on something and suddenly I've got no manners.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Don't know if it has any value, or was mentioned before.

I'm doing a replay of ME1 and when i walked in the Citadel Tower those trees reminded me of the ones in the dreams of ME3.

(snip)

Notice how it looks exactly like the room you have the conversation with Anderson and TIM in.

Uh, not at all? Seriously I can't see any resemblance. This room has more a triangular shape while the other one is a circle.

I beleive it is called sarcasm.

The fact that the room where we meet TIM and Anderson and which supposedly contains the control panel looks nothing like the room where we know the control panel is, is pretty curious, wouldnt you agree?

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

Interesting, I disagree on something and suddenly I've got no manners.

You've acted like a troll for the past 2 or 3 weeks, as far as I can remember. I dont know what's gotten into you. I remember you used to be civil with your contributions to the topic just like everyone else. Now, I think I'm just going to start skipping your posts. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

Interesting, I disagree on something and suddenly I've got no manners.

When you simply claim someone is wrong without bringing out anything to support your claims, you come of as having no manners.

[FellishBeast]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

Interesting, I disagree on something and suddenly I've got no manners.

<3:devil:<3

Modifié par FellishBeast, 20 juin 2012 - 10:11 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

Interesting, I disagree on something and suddenly I've got no manners.

When you simply claim someone is wrong without bringing out anything to support your claims, you come of as having no manners.

Uh I said one is played as Dialog and one as Sound Effect, so anyone can check that. I can't see what more you want.

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


When you simply claim someone is wrong without bringing out anything to support your claims, you come of as having no manners.

Uh I said one is played as Dialog and one as Sound Effect, so anyone can check that. I can't see what more you want.

Case in point, your last three posts have begun with the words "Uh", "Interesting (sarcastic)", and "Uh", respectively. That's a failure in manners. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

As much as I love reading supposition and rage fuel my eyes are falling asleep and so am I. Good night everyone, and good luck o_O.

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

As much as I love reading supposition and rage fuel my eyes are falling asleep and so am I. Good night everyone, and good luck o_O.

Same here, it seems the people worth conversing with are going to bed and being replaced by people who woke up on the wrong side of the bed. So I'll be off too. 

G'night everyone. 

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Shepard shoots Anderson, both Anderson/TIM are wounded

Wrong, both grunts are Anderson. One is played as Dialog, and one as Sound Effect.
For me that is rather a hint that reality is bleeding into Sheps distorted perception. Like when Hackett is calling.

At least have some manners. Also proof or something. But courtesy is more important.

Interesting, I disagree on something and suddenly I've got no manners.

You've acted like a troll for the past 2 or 3 weeks, as far as I can remember. I dont know what's gotten into you. I remember you used to be civil with your contributions to the topic just like everyone else. Now, I think I'm just going to start skipping your posts.

No, I did what I always did. I attacked weak evidence as if you can just throw something at it and it breaks it's useless. From your video for example there is no mentioning of shifting the content so it gets something that really makes sense. That is weak and can easily be attacked. The shifted files however are strong evidence and I cannot attack it.
Another example would be the IT Documentary, the video is nice but it has many flaws so it can easily be dismissed. As I said loads of times. If someone like me who believes in IT doesn't do it someone else who doesn't believe in it will, and it will just strengthen their believe which makes it counterproductive.